Canadian Airport Thread II - Page 165

Dominion301 · #**3281** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 2:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

WS officially has more 787s on the way. This morning they announced a massive order with Boeing that includes 7 more 789s with an option of 4 more.

https://westjet.mediaroom.com/2025-0...er-with-Boeing

Also 60 Max 10s.

Bet they're now regretting NTU'ing those 3 789s.

Coldrsx · #**3282** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 2:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

WS officially has more 787s on the way. This morning they announced a massive order with Boeing that includes 7 more 789s with an option of 4 more.

https://westjet.mediaroom.com/2025-0...er-with-Boeing

Also 60 Max 10s.

Could this be YEG's chance for widebody to LHR?!?!?!?

hollywoodcory · #**3283** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 2:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Could this be YEG's chance for widebody to LHR?!?!?!?

They’d still need another slot at LHR for that, but maybe YEG-LGW?

Coldrsx · #**3284** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 3:00 PM**

That probably is more likely.

msmariner · #**3285** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 3:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

That probably is more likely.

Could honestly see YYC-LGW first. Would be tough having one Dreamliner in Edmonton. Unless they flew more than one 789 route through LGW it would be hard rotating the frame unless they went YEG-YYC

hollywoodcory · #**3286** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 3:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dominion301

Bet they're now regretting NTU'ing those 3 789s.

Decision made sense at the time.

Curious on the timeline of these though. Guessing they won't get any for next summer but maybe in time for 2027?

whatnext · #**3287** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 4:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Decision made sense at the time.

Curious on the timeline of these though. Guessing they won't get any for next summer but maybe in time for 2027?

Has Boeing managed to speed up deliveries that much?

hollywoodcory · #**3288** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 4:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Has Boeing managed to speed up deliveries that much?

Looks like its 2029-2034 for deliveries.

Nick · #**3289** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 5:45 PM**

YYC's terminal is pretty full in the Europe departure time during the summer. I can see them adding more east Asia from YYC, such as MNL. Otherwise these planes would provide widebody service from elsewhere in the country, like YYZ, YEG, YVR.

thenoflyzone · #**3290** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 5:55 PM**

YYC’s altitude will negatively impact the chances of seeing non stop MNL.

ATH, more Italy, Spain, and more London (LGW) will be a given in Europe. YYC-PEK is probably doable (assuming Russian overflights are possible in 5+ years). Anything deeper in Asia will most likely be flown from YVR. Same for Australia.

Anyway, WS needs to get these frames first, and that’s not happening anytime soon.

hollywoodcory · #**3291** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 5:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YYC-PEK is probably doable.

Does this factor in Russian airspace restrictions? They'd have to fly around Korea adding a good 2-3 hours of flying time. I'd say PVG is more likely.

thenoflyzone · #**3292** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 6:02 PM**

^ lol.. just added that info to my post…

If Canadian carriers still can’t overfly Russia by the time WS gets these additional Dreamliners, nothing in China is likely from YYC.

My guess is anything westbound with a distance more than 5,000nm is off limits for YYC.

Nick · #**3293** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 6:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YYC’s altitude will negatively impact the chances of seeing non stop MNL.

ATH, more Italy, Spain, and more London (LGW) will be a given in Europe. YYC-PEK is probably doable (assuming Russian overflights are possible in 5+ years). Anything deeper in Asia will most likely be flown from YVR. Same for Australia.

Anyway, WS needs to get these frames first, and that’s not happening anytime soon.

Yeah that'll be a long time in Westjet years. They seem to change their minds very often.

Cowtown_Tim · #**3294** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 6:26 PM**

Of course a lot can happen between now and 2029, but my guess is WS is looking at Asia for some additional locations. Where and how many depends, but it wouldn't shock me to see at least two new routes to Asia from YYC (assuming Russian airspace isn't an issue).
Also wouldn't be surprised to see one of those 789s used at YEG. Someone had mentioned LGW, and it would make sense IMO.

Cowtown_Tim · #**3295** Posted **Sep 3, 2025, 6:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

YYC’s altitude will negatively impact the chances of seeing non stop MNL.

ATH, more Italy, Spain, and more London (LGW) will be a given in Europe. YYC-PEK is probably doable (assuming Russian overflights are possible in 5+ years). Anything deeper in Asia will most likely be flown from YVR. Same for Australia.

Anyway, WS needs to get these frames first, and that’s not happening anytime soon.

Would flights deeper into China need to be from Vancouver though? Say Hong Kong for example, it's only around 14hrs from Vancouver. Same with MNL. It should be doable from YYC with a 789 no, even with the altitude no?

jc_yyc_ca · #**3296** Posted **Sep 4, 2025, 1:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by Cowtown_Tim

Would flights deeper into China need to be from Vancouver though? Say Hong Kong for example, it's only around 14hrs from Vancouver. Same with MNL. It should be doable from YYC with a 789 no, even with the altitude no?

It's to do with Calgary's altitude. Calgary to Manila or Hong Kong is doable, but not ideal. They would need to have a lighter load and exclude mixed cargo at least. Ideally, WS would probably have to go with the newer 777s or A350's to get the range to those further out destinations. Unless WS is looking to do some Asian routes from YVR. YVR is already well serviced to Asia, but who knows.

hehehe · #**3297** Posted **Sep 4, 2025, 3:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

It's to do with Calgary's altitude. Calgary to Manila or Hong Kong is doable, but not ideal. They would need to have a lighter load and exclude mixed cargo at least. Ideally, WS would probably have to go with the newer 777s or A350's to get the range to those further out destinations. Unless WS is looking to do some Asian routes from YVR. YVR is already well serviced to Asia, but who knows.

I foresee PVG/KIX from YYC, and that's about it. The rest will probably be Euro focused, with YYZ-LGW added back and possibly BCN/CDG, and LGW added back from either YYC or YVR/YEG.

jc_yyc_ca · #**3298** Posted **Sep 4, 2025, 1:40 PM**

Or depending on the situation with Russia, maybe PEK. More Europe make sense, but where in Europe though? From YYC there is already Rome, Barcelona, Paris, London, Edinburgh, Dublin, Zurich, Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Munich. Athens or Lisbon?

thenoflyzone · #**3299** Posted **Sep 4, 2025, 6:31 PM**

Much like LHR (where WS can count its blessings and thank Russia and the pandemic for even being able to secure one slot pair), WS won’t be able to get slots into LIS. It’s a single runway airport, with all peak time slots taken. Maybe secondary airports, like Faro or Porto.

Anyway, none of this is important right now, as the 787s are only a fraction of the order WS made. The majority of the order is for MAX 10’s, and I read on airliners they will be in a 212 seat layout with only 3 lavs!

That’s pretty brutal.

YYCguys · #**3300** Posted **Sep 5, 2025, 4:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

…I read on airliners they will be in a 212 seat layout with only 3 lavs!

That’s pretty brutal.

Maybe they think they can get away with it by continuing with the current policy of allowing main cabin guests to the use the forward lavatory whilst main cabin service carts are in the aisle. I do find that the premium cabin can feel a bit hectic when there’s more traffic than usual coming in from the other side of the curtain.