The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[DyAm00394]

This was shared over on the Retail Talk & Share NB Facebook group:

*UPDATE: Both are for the Fundy Quay. They are listed under the postal code of E2L 0B1 which is Water Street area. Building #2 has a start date of next year, (2026). Building #3 has a start date of 2028.

[bridgeoftea]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

This was shared over on the Retail Talk & Share NB Facebook group:

19 stories? Where would that be?

[DyAm00394]

Originally Posted by bridgeoftea

19 stories? Where would that be?

I just updated the above post with new info I found. Another listing for a 16-storey was published on the same day. It's the Fundy Quay, both were listed with the same address of E2L 0B1. Which is the postal code for Water Street area. Building #2 has a start date of August 3rd 2026. Building #3 has a start date of June 5th 2028.

[Pugsley]

Interesting, I guess the "hotel" is no longer on the table. I was certain it included a hotel - or am I mistaken?

- Scratch the above...

I just re-watched the video. The next building is clearly for the building behind the current one on that will directly on Water Street, and the 2028 building is the "community facility" and tower NEXT to the current building under construction along the water - but slated for the Market Square side. It will be 19 floors, whereas the 4th building, which per the plans would be behind it on Water Street, will be 20+ floors if I can count properly on the video. Perhaps that is the building that will have the hotel incorporated into it.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by Pugsley

Interesting, I guess the "hotel" is no longer on the table. I was certain it included a hotel - or am I mistaken?

- Scratch the above...

I just re-watched the video. The next building is clearly for the building behind the current one on that will directly on Water Street, and the 2028 building is the "community facility" and tower NEXT to the current building under construction along the water - but slated for the Market Square side. It will be 19 floors, whereas the 4th building, which per the plans would be behind it on Water Street, will be 20+ floors if I can count properly on the video. Perhaps that is the building that will have the hotel incorporated into it.

That's an intriguing idea. Combined hotel and condo developments are certainly a thing so why not apartments? The residential tenants can benefit from having access to hotel amenities like pool, fitness centre, concierge etc and even order room service or contract for maid service.

The Muir does this in Halifax. Maybe they could cut deal with Marriott to run this one as an Autograph collection hotel as well.

[bingun]

[cdnguys]

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Nice.. I'll try and get a shot for the Port thread, and might as well cross post it to the Canada construction thread.

Perhaps it's a time for a Great Canadian Ports Thread on the main Canada forum.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Has anyone written to their councillors, the mayor, our MPs, MLAs, or relevant federal ministers in reference to Saint John being considered a strong candidate for one of the 15 new "National Urban Parks". I think both Irving Nature Park, and of course, Rockwood Park would both be among the best candidates for National Urban Park locations in New Brunswick.

Even though Rockwood Park has a storied history including being designed by one of the original planners of Central Park in New York, it's far from a shoe in, and both Moncton and Fredericton will certainly be trying to lobby to be picked.

Carney only pledged to create 15 new national urban parks, along with ten new national parks and marine conservation areas.

Considering there are only 13 provinces, it's incredibly unlikely NB gets more than a single Urban National Park. We don't want to only get one of the marine conservation areas, while a new National Park opens elsewhere in NB and the National Urban Park goes to Moncton or Fredericton.

Also, while Rockwood Park is the obvious choice, could the Irving Nature Park be an even better location for a National Urban Park? Perhaps the Irving's could be convinced to transfer ownership of the land to Park Canada in exchange for the National Urban Park being named after their family?


Perhaps it's time for the city to unleash the "Small City, Big Park" campaign? 🏘🏡🌲🍃🌳🍂🌲

Or the "Small City, Big Park / Small City, Big Tides" campaign should the nature park be an option. 🌲🌳🌊🌲

[cdnguys]

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[bingun]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Has anyone written to their councillors, the mayor, our MPs, MLAs, or relevant federal ministers in reference to Saint John being considered a strong candidate for one of the 15 new "National Urban Parks". I think both Irving Nature Park, and of course, Rockwood Park would both be among the best candidates for National Urban Park locations in New Brunswick.

Even though Rockwood Park has a storied history including being designed by one of the original planners of Central Park in New York, it's far from a shoe in, and both Moncton and Fredericton will certainly be trying to lobby to be picked.

Carney only pledged to create 15 new national urban parks, along with ten new national parks and marine conservation areas.

Considering there are only 13 provinces, it's incredibly unlikely NB gets more than a single Urban National Park. We don't want to only get one of the marine conservation areas, while a new National Park opens elsewhere in NB and the National Urban Park goes to Moncton or Fredericton.

Also, while Rockwood Park is the obvious choice, could the Irving Nature Park be an even better location for a National Urban Park? Perhaps the Irving's could be convinced to transfer ownership of the land to Park Canada in exchange for the National Urban Park being named after their family?


Perhaps it's time for the city to unleash the "Small City, Big Park" campaign? 🏘🏡🌲🍃🌳🍂🌲

Or the "Small City, Big Park / Small City, Big Tides" campaign should the nature park be an option. 🌲🌳🌊🌲

While the Irving Nature Park is my personal favourite between the two, I would much rather see Rockwood Park get focus from the federal government.

The Irving Nature Park is kept in excellent condition using private money, and transferring this to taxpayers isn't going to provide much value unless Irving plans to pull out at some point. There also isn't too much opportunity for expansion or enhancement unless they have something planned in the sandy area between Sheldon Point and the Beach. I'd like to see them acquire those few trailer properties on Sand Cove Road, but that's about it.

Rockwood Park, on the other hand, would hugely benefit from an infusion of federal dollars and has suffered alongside the city during its financial struggles. The A-frame is a great example of this, and it's in a sad state compared to the past. I know the city has plans to get it operational again in its capital plan, but that's not set in stone yet. Another example would be the campground. I am not a regular camper, so perhaps my viewpoint isn't accurate, but it is not somewhere I would want to camp, and it resembles a gravel parking lot, which doesn't make up for its central location. A thriving Rockwood Park would further encourage infill and density around it, which would closely align with the city's overall goals.

[sailor734]

I think the Irving Nature Park is too far from the city to be considered. To me it is very much on the outskirts of town while Rockwood is much more accessible to the most densely populated part of the city. I guess it depends on your definition of an "Urban Park"

edit I agree that Rockwood is in far greater need of funding and infrastructure upgrades......

[irisheyes]

I would think Rockwood would be the frontrunner. Don't forget it is a UNESCO site and was designed by Calvert Vaux. Massive trail network and lakes in the middle of Canada's first city. The urban interface at Lily Lake is quite picturesque, something the parks in Fton and Mton can't match. Unless politicians in Mton are able to maintain their pork barrel spending spree, Rockwood indeed has a very good chance. It has a storied past as well which bodes well for this type of designation.

I wonder how engaged SJ politicians are in this. It has been disappointing seeing the lack of urgency from them regarding our tariff exposure. This is the time to inject serious stimulus money into Saint John.

[bingun]

I know it was a Carney campaign promise, but has any further information been distributed or communicated? A quick Google search hasn't found any results since then. Carney has certainly been busy, so that's not a shock, but it's likely the city hasn't gotten any information either.

As someone who doesn't typically reach out to councillors or local MPs, this is precisely the kind of opportunity I would break that habit for.

[bingun]

Originally Posted by bingun

The agenda is now available. They are proposing to split the lot in two, retaining the historical home and creating a new lot near the road.

No indication of what they plan to do with the new lot, but I imagine some kind of development down the line.

The city uploaded the PAC meeting recording where this was discussed. The developer had a presentation which included a site plan and development renderings; sadly, the video recording didn't capture this.

However, from the verbal conversation, the plan is to build 3-story townhouses facing Westmorland Road. Construction may start as early as late this year and will likely take 1-2 years.

PAC approved the changes unanimously.

[cdnguys]

[cdnguys]

City website has this traffic advisory. This is within 50m of the proposal of two 6 story buildings that were denied by council. Says “required for a new residential development” so I wonder if a revised proposal is in the works.

Traffic Advisory: Woodward Avenue

- The City of Saint John would like to advise the public of the following traffic interruption that will begin Wednesday, August 20 on Woodward Avenue This work is necessary for infrastructure installation and upgrades required for a new residential development.

Street: Woodward Avenue
Date: August 20, 2025
Duration: 14 days
Time: 24 hours a day
Direction: In both directions
Action: Closed to through traffic. Traffic control signage in indicate detour route via Boars Head Road.
Specific area: In front of 435 Woodward Avenue
Description of work: Infrastructure installation and upgrades

Road signage and sidewalk directional signage will be in place. Motorists are asked to drive with caution and be aware of pedestrians and workers. Delays should be expected.

[bingun]

Courtesy of Reddit.

[KnoxfordGuy]

Fantastic infill

[bingun]

Originally Posted by bingun

The city uploaded the PAC meeting recording where this was discussed. The developer had a presentation which included a site plan and development renderings; sadly, the video recording didn't capture this.

However, from the verbal conversation, the plan is to build 3-story townhouses facing Westmorland Road. Construction may start as early as late this year and will likely take 1-2 years.

PAC approved the changes unanimously.

The TJ has an article on this, but perhaps I misunderstood because I can't wrap my head around it without the rendering or site plan. It implies there is a residential building planned behind the existing building, but I am confused what the new front lot is for if that is the case.

Proposed subdivision could see a spring start on Westmoreland

https://tj.news/saint-john-south/propose...westmoreland?itm_source=saint-john-south

Turner attended the city’s Planning Advisory Committee meeting Tuesday to discuss the proposal that would include subdividing the property to contain two buildings, with the existing residential building on the site staying in place. The new building would be at the back of the property, behind the existing building and accessed by a shared private street.

The existing building – an older home that has been converted into a multi-unit residential facility, is staying because, according to Turner, it’s still in excellent shape.

“(The owners) put a lot of money into renovations on that building, and the community didn’t want to see it go,” he told Brunswick News after the meeting. “The new structure will contain 27 units. Now, that could vary a little depending on design and what they find out people are looking for; they’ve done some market analysis but that will be ongoing until they start constructing.

The site is designated as low-rise residential, which, according to city community planner Yeva Mattson, allows for the development of a three-story ground-oriented building which would match the community character of the area. The plan also calls for a new private street to be built, and shared with the existing building which fronts onto Westmoreland Road, because currently that half of the lot does not have access to the road.