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Old Posted May 31, 2025, 9:45 PM
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Draft 2025 OCP update is viewable under the June 2nd council workshop slides. Big changes both inside and outside of the legislated TOD zones including .

https://pub-newwestcity.escribemeetings....nda&lang=English&Item=23&Tab=attachments

Land use designation map here, too detailed to post as an image, best kept as a pdf: https://pub-newwestcity.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=22117
Looking at the land use map, I have to admit to being disappointed. They're doing a version of the grand bargain and still mostly limiting towers to areas they already exist. Meanwhile there's a lot of SFH areas - they've even got it divided between where houses vs townhouses are allowed.

Sure there are more areas that will allow low and midrise buildings - but how many developers have been willing to build midrise? It's usually low or highrise they build.
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Old Posted May 31, 2025, 11:47 PM
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Looking at the land use map, I have to admit to being disappointed. They're doing a version of the grand bargain and still mostly limiting towers to areas they already exist. Meanwhile there's a lot of SFH areas - they've even got it divided between where houses vs townhouses are allowed.

Sure there are more areas that will allow low and midrise buildings - but how many developers have been willing to build midrise? It's usually low or highrise they build.
Have a look at the designation details. Only Queensburough has SFH only zoning. The lowest density areas, RGO, in the rest of the city allow SFH, multiplex, rowhouse, and townhouse.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2025, 1:21 AM
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Properties in Queensborough are covered by an extension, approved by the
Province, with a new compliance date of May 4, 2029. No changes are proposed
to the Queensborough Community Plan to facilitate ground oriented infill housing
at this time. The City will advance the work necessary to comply with the
legislation for this neighbourhood following the completion of the scope of the
current Infill Housing Program.
https://pub-newwestcity.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=22106

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Generally, properties in Queensborough that are zoned for a house are not permitted the number or types of units outlined by the Province in its new legislation. This is because further study is needed to understand the impact of that change on the area’s infrastructure system(s) like water and sewer, which has been specifically constructed based on the previously planned density and in consideration of the area’s geotechnical conditions. As such, the City applied to the Province for an extension and was granted an extension with a new compliance date of May 4, 2029 The City will advance the work necessary to be in compliance with the legislation for this neighbourhood.
https://www.newwestcity.ca/new-provincial-housing-legislation/small-scale-multi-unit-housing
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2025, 7:36 PM
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Well done.

New Westminster is the city that is already the second most dense in the country and is one of the more affordable places in Metro Vancouver.
New Westminster quietly was the only muncipality in Metro Vacnouver to surpass it's housing targets in both the second and third set of priority communities:

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Second set of priority communities: total of 6,272 units

Central Saanich: 304 of 77 units (395%)
Esquimalt: 224 of 81 (277%)
Kelowna: 1,501 of 1,363 units (110%)
Nanaimo: 539 of 783 units (69%)
Maple Ridge: 376 of 612 units (61%)
Surrey: 2,567 of 4,233 units (61%)
City of North Vancouver: 351 of 581 units (60%)
Sidney: 54 of 90 units (60%)
Chilliwack: 332 of 659 units (50%)
White Rock: 24 of 189 (13%)

Third set of priority communities: total of 1,546 units

New Westminster: 702 of 656 units (107%)
City of Langley: 237 of 251 units (94%)
Prince George: 210 of 273 units (77%)
Mission: 133 of 211 units (63%)
Colwood: 96 of 178 units (54%)
North Cowichan: 83 of 191 units (43%)
West Kelowna: 64 of 289 units (22%)
North Saanich: 6 of 60 units (10%)
View Royal: 4 of 99 units (4%)
Port Coquitlam: 11 of 343 units (3%)
This OCP update meets the Province's goals and introduces gentle density at a minimum throughout the mainland portion of the city, with huge portions relative to the overall size of the city dedicated to mid rise development and large areas of mixed use tower development. Queensborough, with the state of the bridge and lack of frequent transit options, still has an appreciable increase in density (that's a lot of low rises that don't exist yet there, and with the new Costco, I'm sure glad to be on the mainland). New West and the Province seriously need to start talking about a Queensborough bridge replacement, the Brunette upgrades and a tunnel to connect them through the second densest core in the Province.

Outside of Vancouver adopting the Vancouver Plan, I don't think we'll see a change as massive as this anywhere else in the Province.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2025, 11:07 PM
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Draft 2025 OCP update is viewable under the June 2nd council workshop slides. Big changes both inside and outside of the legislated TOD zones including .

https://pub-newwestcity.escribemeetings....nda&lang=English&Item=23&Tab=attachments

Land use designation map here, too detailed to post as an image, best kept as a pdf: https://pub-newwestcity.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=22117
Not sure if others have been following along with the OCP update. With the extent of the proposed changes 4 out of 7 members of council would have the land use designation changed for their home or business. The mayor and these councillors recused themselves to seek legal advice (ie "pecuniary interest") before proceeding further. At this point quorum was lost and the workshop was cancelled. It was then rescheduled for the following week and cancelled again. It isn't on the agenda for next week either so we are now looking at a delay of 3 weeks or more. I'm presuming that this is good faith precaution rather than a political delay tactic but you never know. Something to watch and speaks to just how extensive the changes are for New West.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2025, 11:23 PM
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Not sure if others have been following along with the OCP update. With the extent of the proposed changes 4 out of 7 members of council would have the land use designation changed for their home or business. The mayor and these councillors recused themselves to seek legal advice (ie "pecuniary interest") before proceeding further. At this point quorum was lost and the workshop was cancelled. It was then rescheduled for the following week and cancelled again. It isn't on the agenda for next week either so we are now looking at a delay of 3 weeks or more. I'm presuming that this is good faith precaution rather than a political delay tactic but you never know. Something to watch and speaks to just how extensive the changes are for New West.
Those 4 were Mayor Patrick Johnstone, as well as councilors Rudy Campbell, Tasha Henderson, and Paul Minhas. I do think this is good faith precaution, from what I know they do indeed live/own businesses in the areas affected by the changes.

That being said, is this happening on other councils with their OCP updates? New Westminster cannot be the only city where members of council/the mayor have a pecuniary interest in the OCP update.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2025, 5:17 AM
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New Westminster almost certainly has the highest percentage of land impacted by the TOA legislation. I can see them being the only city to run into this pecuniary interest issue.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2025, 4:11 PM
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Two new downtown high rise development proposals including the much needed Royal Towers redevelopment.

611 Agnes
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Rezoning, and Special Development Permit applications have been received for a 37-storey mixed-use development at 611 Agnes Street. The site is located at the northwest corner of Sixth and Agnes Street and is currently improved with a four storey commercial (retail and office building). The applications propose 299 secured market rental units, a 37-space not-for-profit childcare facility, two levels of office and grade level retail. The proposal has an overall Floor Space Ratio (FSR) of 11.16 of which 9.17 FSR is residential, 1.23 FSR is office, 0.41 FSR is retail and 0.24 FSR is childcare.
140 Sixth (Royal Towers)
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Rezoning and Development Permit applications have been received for a mixed-tenure, master planned community at 140 Sixth Street (Royal Towers) within Tier 2 of the Columbia Station Transit Oriented Development Area. The initial concept for the site proposes three phases of development, with Phase A comprising two six-storey rental residential buildings and Phases B and C comprising two 40-storey mixed-use
commercial and market condo residential towers. A total of 1,050 residential units are proposed, including 850 market condo units and 200 secured market rental units, of which 125 would be secured at below-market rental rates.
https://pub-newwestcity.escribemeetings....nda&lang=English&Item=51&Tab=attachments
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2025, 4:47 PM
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Technically the Royal Towers development is Uptown New Westminster, but even our MP can't seem to make that distinction

Good eye madog, good to see these moving along finally, both sites could use a refresh for sure.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2025, 11:46 PM
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Drone video of Royal Columbian. Close to completion

https://www.facebook.com/ellisdoncorporation/videos/1066317231611341
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2025, 5:55 AM
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Just a concept but would have been weird to see this in New West. Mass timber by Rafael Santa Ana Architecture Workshop.

636 Columbia that got destroyed in a fire



https://rsaaw.com/projects/columbia-mass-timber/
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2025, 6:03 AM
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Is it so hard for architects to design buildings that look good?
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2025, 6:25 PM
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Is it so hard for architects to design buildings that look good?
That's why their jobs are already being impacted by AI
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2025, 7:41 PM
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That's why their jobs are already being impacted by AI
What makes you say that, do you have any examples?
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2025, 3:58 AM
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What makes you say that, do you have any examples?
"According to job search site Indeed, UK university graduates this year are facing the toughest job market since 2018. Indeed, and others, have claimed that artificial intelligence (AI) is a significant factor, with employers in white-collar industries like architecture seeking to cut costs by turning to the technology for tasks typically done by more junior staff.

"Demand for graduates is inevitably going to go down, slightly because of economics but mainly because of AI and its effect on repetitive tasks, which are often entry-level tasks," said architecture educator Jeremy Till, head of Central Saint Martins school in London for 10 years until 2022.

But while AI affects a broad range of jobs, architecture graduates are facing their own unique set of challenges, with additional compounding factors making it even harder to find employment."

https://www.dezeen.com/2025/08/11/architecture-graduate-job-market/


Architecture job is 70-80% glorified consulting..
Entry-level consulting is one of the best examples of jobs that are already being replaced by AI
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2025, 5:03 PM
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"According to job search site Indeed, UK university graduates this year are facing the toughest job market since 2018. Indeed, and others, have claimed that artificial intelligence (AI) is a significant factor, with employers in white-collar industries like architecture seeking to cut costs by turning to the technology for tasks typically done by more junior staff.

"Demand for graduates is inevitably going to go down, slightly because of economics but mainly because of AI and its effect on repetitive tasks, which are often entry-level tasks," said architecture educator Jeremy Till, head of Central Saint Martins school in London for 10 years until 2022.

But while AI affects a broad range of jobs, architecture graduates are facing their own unique set of challenges, with additional compounding factors making it even harder to find employment."

https://www.dezeen.com/2025/08/11/architecture-graduate-job-market/


Architecture job is 70-80% glorified consulting..
Entry-level consulting is one of the best examples of jobs that are already being replaced by AI
I can't speak to the veracity or accuracy of that article vis-a-vis the UK architecture market and field, but as someone in the architecture field here in North America, I can categorically state that this is simply not the case.

Architecture jobs are not being replace by AI any time soon, simply because of the complicated and intricate nature of how architectural design here is structured and functions (by .....um...."design")

Architecture graduates writ large may be facing a tough job market and harder entry into the profession than other fields, but that has less to do with the proliferation of AI than it has to do with other factors like the states of various economies and local downstream impact of things like the downturn in the construction fields and real estate market.

It's the same as its always been in every pre-, intra- and post-recession period over the last several decades.
The architecture and constructions fields are more vulnerable than other fields to the impacts of economic downturns and disruptions like the Inflation crisis we just went through and the pandemic lockdowns before them.

Here in Canada for example, if you're graduating now or soon, a bigger impediment to your entry into the field will more likely be the slowdown in the real estate market we're currently experiencing more than it will be the notion that AI is taking your job.
There's no job in an architecture firm right now that could be absorbed by AI that would otherwise be done by an architectural intern or junior designer wherein the firm would be saving money by doing so.
If you're cutting or downsizing those jobs it's more so because you don't currently need those jobs done (i.e. not enough work for you to have them), and not so much because you need them done more effeciently and at a lower cost.
And even then it's questionable how much of what those interns do could actually be done by AI to the same level they'd need to eb done.

Anyone that thinks they're easily swappable like that simply doesn't understand what architects do.

Even the comment that,... "Architecture job is 70-80% glorfied consulting" is so laughably reductive as to be comical and also nonsensical.
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RE : >>>"Entry-level consulting is one of the best examples of jobs that are already being replaced by AI"
This may be true in other professions, but it's simply not the case in architecture.

While there may have been some initial excitement about the introduction of AI and what it could save architecture firms, in the period that's followed, a lot of that excitement has pretty much evaporated and died down.

I liken it to not that long ago when everyone got on the "outsourcing" bandwagon when we believed that all the architecture elbow-grease work (CAD-monkey work) would be outsourced to "CAD monkeys" in India and Asia in general who could work on 24 hour cycles that North American interns, techonologitst and workers simply couldn't, and could therefore (theoretically) get things done faster and at lower cost.
That never panned out, as the way we work changed over time to make those savings practically meaningless (like the introduction of BIM and the necessity of having locally-based technologists who actually understand the context of what they're drawing (including local and regional bylaws) thus mitigating errors and the time lost in correcting....or even catching those errors in the first place - which ultimately cost companies more money than they would be saving from outsourcing in the first place).

It's never a simple case of,...... "1)We have robots. 2) Let's replace our humans with robots. 3)Save Money. -> 4)Profit"

It may be true in some fields, but we're simply not there quite yet in architecture with AI.

Certain aspects of the profession now may be complimented and facilitated by AI, but at the end of the day, even in those sections, you're simply always going to need a trained human being that's driving (and looking over) that AI as it does that work.

Having said all this, there have been some recent innovative uses and integration of AI algorithms in architectural design and planning software - but which are mostly all still largely in the experimental phases right now being tested, and which could radically change the way we work down the road.

But that's much much farther down the road as this has to be caveated with the fact that architects are notoriously slow and stubborn adopters of new technology into their field.
Which is another reason why I question that whole "AI is taking over our field" sentiment and fear that's permeating the zeitgeist right now - particularly in architecture.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2025, 7:26 PM
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Build something that matches the vide of the neighbourhood! This timber building can be built 5 blocks north.

They should be putting back the old-style facades for continuity both along Columbia St as well as Front St:

https://globalnews.ca/news/894951/histor...-destroyed-in-fire-was-on-heritage-list/

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Old Posted Aug 31, 2025, 5:10 AM
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The Amazon occupied warehouse at 97 Braid is currently being painted in their typical white.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2025, 5:44 AM
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The Amazon occupied warehouse at 97 Braid is currently being painted in their typical white.
Drone footage of the painting. I wonder if those two guys are doing the whole building

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DN1hf4uZPbM/

I guess no redevelopment anytime soon.
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The hospital looks finished on the outside

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