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Completely random brain droppings about Winnipeg

And, by extension, some musings about Canadian cities, and Canada in general.

As I said in the Canadian-German cities thread, I'm presently in Winnipeg on vacation and have some thoughts. Did a ton of driving through the city today. Only briefly drove through downtown a couple times, will park my car and walk around downtown tomorrow.

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1. Generally, the south side is nice, and the north side not so much. In fact, the southern ~1/3 or so is, to me, what comes to mind when one says "Canadian city:" a neat and tidy, suburby-area, but denser suburbs with lots of apartments. Maybe that's because my main frame of reference is Vancouver, in particular outside of downtown. I could easily see myself living just about anywhere in the south end. The north side ... well, let's just say that much of it looks like the worst parts of American cities - certainly the parts just north of downtown. I drove up Main St just north of downtown and it was filled with druggies, mentally ill people and homeless. At a certain point the north side got better after you got past Kildonan Park, but it was mostly development still under construction up there.

2. The first place I went to this morning was the "Fort Whyte Alive" park. That alone makes it worth visiting Winnipeg. My hotel is right next to it. It's a big prairie park with multiple visitor centers and a herd of buffalo (which I could only see from a distance). In fact, this made me think Winnipeg is underestimated as a nature tourist destination. There aren't any mountains but there are lakes and rivers, prairies and forests. There were tons of kids there, many of them in school or church groups, and it's clearly a great place for kids to learn about, and experience, nature. They should try to carve out another 3-5 parks just like it surrounding Winnipeg.

3. The Canadian habit of cladding so many houses in stucco is utterly terrible. I think maybe half the houses in the city are clad in this rough stucco which ages atrociously. It seems to have become more common in the last 40 years or so, judging by the age of the houses, but even a lot of older houses are clad in the stuff. I think I noticed this sometimes when I went to Vancouver. Don't know if this is the case in other Canadian cities, but it's a plague in Winnipeg.

4. A lot of people don't seem to care one iota about their lawns. This seems particularly true in the newer subdivisions. The lots tend to be very small in the new subdivisions, and as far as I can tell the overwhelming majority of people living in these new subdivisions are immigrants. Did some of these immigrants not get the memo that you're supposed to mow your lawn? Or something? But even elsewhere, there are a ton of yards which are little more than mowed weeds. I was wondering if the cold climate hinders some of the nicer kinds of grass from growing and you have little choice but to grow junkier looking varieties of grass, or something.

5. The combination of #3 and #4 made a lot of neighborhoods look worse than they actually are.

6. This has nothing to do with Winnipeg itself, but the quality of the sunlight on sunny days when you get this far north is considerably different than when you live farther south. I found this extremely noticeable within about 15 minutes after driving out of the airport yesterday, and I really think it has a bigger effect on people than anyone realizes. In fact I wonder if it should be a big research topic among health and psychology scientists. I will extrapolate on that later.

More later, going to get something to eat right now ...
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6. This has nothing to do with Winnipeg itself, but the quality of the sunlight on sunny days when you get this far north is considerably different than when you live farther south. I found this extremely noticeable within about 15 minutes after driving out of the airport yesterday, and I really think it has a bigger effect on people than anyone realizes. In fact I wonder if it should be a big research topic among health and psychology scientists. I will extrapolate on that later.
I'm curious about what you are noticing regarding the quality of the light there.
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I'm curious about what you are noticing regarding the quality of the light there.
In the summer sky, this is what the paths of the sun look like (roughly) between Kansas City and Winnipeg:



When you start getting this far north, the sun in the summer is lower (as it is all year), but its path is longer. That's why you get such early sunrises and late sunsets this far north in the summer.

But the key issue is that it's lower in the sky.

Yesterday I was driving out of the airport, and it was only 3pm and already there were very long shadows as if it were sunset. Yet, there was still more than 6 hours until it actually got dark! As I write this it's 8:45 and still fairly light out. In KC at this time of year it's just about dark.

Even today when I was driving around at 12 noon, the shadows were still somewhat long. I'd say they were similar to what you'd get in KC at around 4 pm.

Think about that: This far north, almost the entire (summer) day consists of light quality that looks like "sunrise" or "sunset."

Most people find sunrises and sunsets to be relaxing. My guess is that's at least partly to do with melatonin production. When you get all these big patches of semi-dark (shadows), it encourages melatonin production, which makes people relaxed.

In KC at this time of year, the sun is very high in the sky and beating down hard on you. There's not as much shade. At least for me, that makes me stressed. I've always found darkness to be relaxing. In my home, once the sun goes down I turn most of the lights off in my house because it relaxes me for a while before I go to bed.

Yesterday while driving from the airport, I found myself much more relaxed than usual for no particular reason (especially since I had just gotten off 6 hours of being in a plane or airports). I was observing all the long shadows, and it occurred to me that all these long shadows were what was making me feel relaxed.

Everything simply looked different than the same time of day in KC. And more relaxing.

My theory is that people living this far north will tend to be more relaxed than ones living farther south, for all these reasons (maybe it doesn't apply to everyone). I also suspect that people like Canadians and others who live this far north don't notice it, it's just "normal" to them.

I kinda noticed this when I was living in Seattle and, especially, Spokane but didn't think much of it. In Seattle, the Cascades block some of the sunrise, and the Olympics block some of the sunset, so even though it's pretty far north, the sunrises and sunsets are blocked off prematurely. Spokane doesn't have nearly the same kind of mountains so it didn't affect the sun as much.

But right now I'm about 2-3 degrees latitude farther north than either Seattle or Spokane, and it's flat as a pancake with no mountains to block either the sunrise or sunset.
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The stucco is more a Western Canada thing than a Canada thing. Vancouver also has some stucco and that pressed on rock stuff but you don't see it everywhere across the country.

The regions are generally pretty different and, IMO, it would be hard to extrapolate to a region (BC, Prairies, Ontario, Quebec, Atlantic, territories) you haven't been to from others. You're not going to be able to get a feel for Quebec by visiting Manitoba for example.
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Another minor point: the West is farther north than populated areas in the East. The farthest south point in Ontario is around the California-Oregon border. Of course this difference won't be like Edmonton vs. Miami, but 5-10 degrees of latitude does make a bit of a difference.
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The stucco is more a Western Canada thing than a Canada thing. Vancouver also has some stucco and that pressed on rock stuff but you don't see it everywhere across the country.

The regions are generally pretty different and, IMO, it would be hard to extrapolate to a region (BC, Prairies, Ontario, Quebec, Atlantic, territories) you haven't been to from others. You're not going to be able to get a feel for Quebec by visiting Manitoba for example.
I was wondering that. Thanks.

Note to non-prairie Canadians: DO NOT use stucco cladding on your houses. It ages terribly.
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Another minor point: the West is farther north than populated areas in the East. The farthest south point in Ontario is around the California-Oregon border. Of course this difference won't be like Edmonton vs. Miami, but 5-10 degrees of latitude does make a bit of a difference.
True. I should visit Edmonton in late June someday and see what it's like!
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7. Birds: There are a lot of seagulls here (they're very rare in Kansas City). I presume that's because of all the lakes? I also have seen only 1 House sparrow and just 2 Starlings so far. I did see 2 magpies in a shopping center parking lot across the street from me. I've never seen magpies in a parking lot before. Also, some of the "crows" I've seen look pretty big, I think they might even be Ravens.

8. A short while ago I went to this outlet mall here. There were only 2 empty storefronts, one was a Sak's "Off 5th" store that was quite big, and the other was a very small storefront (might have been a jewelry store or something). Been a while since I've seen a mall with so few vacancies. Also, there was a fair amount of people in there for a Thursday night.

9. It seems like half the population here consists of immigrants. Gotta be close, at least.

10. These two buildings here looked kinda cool. It would be neat to have a whole bunch of towers like that lining that road in the same area, would make a cool-looking "gateway" to the city from the south.

11. The Red River looks like it's kinda shallow.

12. There are two good bookstore chains: Chapters and Indigo. In the US we've long ago been reduced to just one: Barnes & Noble.

13. The traffic at rush hour is horrendous. Could be some of the worst I've experienced. Some of these major roads are just screaming to have streetcars or some sort of light rail along them. Though I suppose at least that shows that a lot of people are still working in offices downtown, as opposed to telecommuting.
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Another minor point: the West is farther north than populated areas in the East. The farthest south point in Ontario is around the California-Oregon border. Of course this difference won't be like Edmonton vs. Miami, but 5-10 degrees of latitude does make a bit of a difference.
The California-Oregon border is pretty far north by American standards.
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2. The first place I went to this morning was the "Fort Whyte Alive" park. That alone makes it worth visiting Winnipeg. My hotel is right next to it. It's a big prairie park with multiple visitor centers and a herd of buffalo (which I could only see from a distance). In fact, this made me think Winnipeg is underestimated as a nature tourist destination. There aren't any mountains but there are lakes and rivers, prairies and forests. There were tons of kids there, many of them in school or church groups, and it's clearly a great place for kids to learn about, and experience, nature. They should try to carve out another 3-5 parks just like it surrounding Winnipeg.
Winnipeg does actually have a pretty great selection of large parks. You would probably enjoy Assiniboine Park (right nearby) and Kildonan Park, as both are quite large, actively maintained spaces with amenities and the such (A Zoo, English gardens, outdoor theatre/event spaces, Skating in winter, and a conservatory, etc)

Fort Whyte isn't actually a city park and is instead a nonprofit supported by the city and province because of some quirks of it's inception (the land was originally a cement quarry i believe), but it does act quite like a city park and i can attest that growing up here it was a common school field trip location.

Hope you enjoy Winnipeg and be sure to check out the forks when you go downtown!
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Have you walked through the Exchange District yet? The closest thing Canada has to a miniature 1890s-1910 Chicago feel lol
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Have you walked through the Exchange District yet? The closest thing Canada has to a miniature 1890s-1910 Chicago feel lol
I briefly drove through it but didn't stop to do anything. Will be on my itinerary for tomorrow.
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I'm friends with a Ukrainian family that immigrated to Winnipeg a couple years ago due to the war, when I asked why they chose Winnipeg they said they simply Googled 'sunniest Place in Canada'.
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12. There are two good bookstore chains: Chapters and Indigo. In the US we've long ago been reduced to just one: Barnes & Noble.
Unfortunately... we've been reduced to one as well. Chapters and Indigo are the same thing. They were separate companies but Chapters was bought Indigo maybe 20 years or so ago. They also own Coles, another major book chain which generally had smaller stores.
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This is a perfect example of the crappy-looking stucco houses:

https://www.google.com/maps/@49.9552...oASAFQAw%3D%3D

Looks like a 90's house. You can't see it too well on the Google photo here, but in real life there's stuff dripping down from the windowsills that stains the stucco. Generally all these stucco surfaces get dirty really fast, and I guess they're either hard to clean or people can't be bothered. The whole city is plagued with dirty-looking stucco houses.

I honestly couldn't believe they were still building so many even now. I mean ... has no one noticed that they look like crap? Or maybe they just don't care and want to throw up as many houses as they can as fast as they can, looks and building quality be dammed.

And speaking of that, I really think many of these newer developments aren't going to age that well, stucco or not. Particularly the townhouses.
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I briefly drove through it but didn't stop to do anything. Will be on my itinerary for tomorrow.
There's this stretch of Albert Street off of Notre Dame Ave that I've always found fascinating
The bend in the road, the trees, the narrower street, the late 19th to early 20th century solidly constructed brick and stone midrise buildings. Not to mention the old fire escape infrastructure, a few tight alleyways some with cool street art/graffiti

35 Albert St
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You could take a tour of the Manitoba legislature, visit the Inuit art museum--Qaumajuq, part of WAG (Winnipeg Art Gallery)

Also take a drive through wealthy parts of Wellington Crescent, Old Tuxedo

Take a walk through Armstrong's Point
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Unfortunately... we've been reduced to one as well. Chapters and Indigo are the same thing. They were separate companies but Chapters was bought Indigo maybe 20 years or so ago. They also own Coles, another major book chain which generally had smaller stores.
Really? I see.

Well, at least it gives the illusion that it's two different chains.
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4. A lot of people don't seem to care one iota about their lawns. This seems particularly true in the newer subdivisions. The lots tend to be very small in the new subdivisions, and as far as I can tell the overwhelming majority of people living in these new subdivisions are immigrants. Did some of these immigrants not get the memo that you're supposed to mow your lawn? Or something? But even elsewhere, there are a ton of yards which are little more than mowed weeds. I was wondering if the cold climate hinders some of the nicer kinds of grass from growing and you have little choice but to grow junkier looking varieties of grass, or something.
It takes money/effort to have a carpet lawn. You'll find them in the wealthier neighbourhoods. Visit the Wolseley district to see some charming old homes with beautiful yards full of tall indigenous flowers and grasses.
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It takes money/effort to have a carpet lawn. You'll find them in the wealthier neighbourhoods. Visit the Wolseley district to see some charming old homes with beautiful yards full of tall indigenous flowers and grasses.
Even the poor neighborhoods in KC have nicer lawns than many of the lawns in these newer developments in Winnipeg. I saw quite a few nice, new houses and townhouses which obviously had people living in them, but their lawn was just unmowed weeds. It's like they just didn't give a damn.

And they're small lots too, it's not like they have a ton of yard to mow, or something.
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14. There are A LOT more 4-way stop intersections than you'd see in the US. A good example is this one here. In the US, Templeton St - which appears to be a "collector"-grade street - would not have a stop sign, you would just go straight through. Only Garden Park Drive would have stop signs. I'm guessing this is a Canada-wide standard. I'm also guessing stuff like that is a major reason why Canadian auto death rates are lower than in the US.

Generally I found the drivers here to be pretty courteous. Not really many crazy drivers, at least not that I've seen yet. The only issue I had was one guy in a pickup truck beeped at me for being timid at making a right turn on red. But I didn't really have any good openings to make the turn.

15. The campus of the University of Manitoba is extremely boring.
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