YVR & Sea Island Developments Discussion II

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Highly doubt we're going to see many, if any, XLRs at YVR. It's mission is just so perfect for Eastern NA to secondary Europe it would be weird to base any out of YVR. It opens up very little from YVR aside from maybe PTY, CTS, BOG or maybe something even weirder like HRB, NGO, or some random pacific island.

Technically they could use it on YVR-Europe like go daily on DUB or start CPH or EDI, but given that AC cant be bothered to fly to huge points like FCO, CDG or BCN I highly doubt we'll see them add anything to Europe. They seem perfectly content to funnel those PAX east or just lose them to YYC/SEA.



I'd be shocked if Starlux didn't take a run at Vancouver soon.

I'm also waiting to see when someone (AC or VN) jumps into YVR-Vietnam. It seems like a no-brainer given the huge Vietnamese population in western Canada and the growth in Vietnam's economic importance.

Would love to see SGN on AC. If they could make BKK work I feel like SGN could work too, Vietnam is becoming a big tourist destination these days.

[ninjakafi_81]

Originally Posted by hehehe

Would love to see SGN on AC. If they could make BKK work I feel like SGN could work too, Vietnam is becoming a big tourist destination these days.

I feel like SGN would be the next TPAC destination AC would add out of YVR as long as VN doesn't launch it first.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by owenf

Furthermore, AC and ITA sign a codeshare agreement...could this mean FCO-YVR on ITA with AC codesharing in S26?? time will tell...

https://www.aircanada.com/media/air-cana...ffc=b4c45b35-0e43-48f4-98c6-1e5e721c59c5

This bit of news doesn't really tell us what ITA's plans are. A deeper cooperation with AC was always going to happen, now that ITA is part of Star Alliance.

Some might argue it helps the cause of a potential YVR-FCO, others might argue the opposite. After all, the whole point of a codeshare is so that ITA can put its code on AC flights from YYZ to other North American destinations, most of which it doesn't currently serve. YVR is one such destination. So in doing so, does ITA really need to serve YVR itself?

Not saying this is what I think. Just illustrating both sides of the coin, in regards to this news.

ITA Airways will place its AZ code on selected routes operated by Air Canada from Toronto Pearson, these include: Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary and St. John’s; and selected services from Canada to the United States: Boston, Orlando, Dallas, and Fort Lauderdale

Some of these destinations, ITA will probably never serve. I'm thinking of YOW, YEG, YYC, YYT and FLL. Hence why the codeshare to these places (which make up most of the destinations listed) makes sense. BOS is already served (so the codeshare to BOS tells me the demand outpaces capacity). From the rest, YUL and DFW already have FCO service on other carriers. That leaves YVR and MCO. From the two, I would think YVR would be the first to get FCO service.

The BOS codeshare probably means they don't have enough planes to add capacity there, so I can therefore argue that the codeshare to YVR enables ITA to "enter the market" until it has enough aircraft to fly there itself.

Like I said, both sides of the coin can be argued. It's for you to decide which side YVR falls under.

[whatnext]

Stolen (?!) aircraft causes ground stop at YVR today:

Security incident prompts temporary ground stop at YVR
Simran Singh
Jul 15 2025, 3:02 pm

A large police presence was spotted on the runway at Vancouver International Airport (YVR) this afternoon as a temporary ground stop was ordered due to a security incident.

Social media users have posted footage of police vehicles on the tarmac surrounding what appears to be a smaller aircraft...

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/security-incident-yvr

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Highly doubt we're going to see many, if any, XLRs at YVR.

The XLR, unlike the A220, isn't it's own fleet type. It will be integrated into the A320 family fairly easily. So AC can very easily decide to base a few at YVR, if the need arises. They didn't have that luxury with the A220.

Originally Posted by whatnext

Stolen (?!) aircraft causes ground stop at YVR today:

Security incident prompts temporary ground stop at YVR
Simran Singh
Jul 15 2025, 3:02 pm

A large police presence was spotted on the runway at Vancouver International Airport (YVR) this afternoon as a temporary ground stop was ordered due to a security incident.

Social media users have posted footage of police vehicles on the tarmac surrounding what appears to be a smaller aircraft...

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/security-incident-yvr

What an idiot ! He really didn't think this through !

An environmentalist protester, stealing a petrol-engined aircraft in order to fly circles over YVR ! Coupled with the fact that all those commercial airliners he's delaying on the ground or in the air, guess what, they're burning more fuel as well, by running their APU's longer, or by doing holding patterns in the air.

Good thing is, he'll have plenty of time to think it over in jail, for what will surely be a long incarceration.

[Johnny Aussie]

Surprised nobody posted this yet! This is huge!

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250724-8pnw25yqz

Pacific Coastal Airlines yesterday (23JUL25) announced new route launch during Northern winter 2025/26 season. On 30OCT25, the airline will commence Vancouver – Quesnel route, on board Beechcraft 1900 aircraft. The airline will serve this route 6 times a week.

8P1775 YVR1330 – 1445YQZ BE1 x6
8P1776 YQZ1510 – 1635YVR BE1 x6

https://www.pacificcoastal.com/pacific-c...p-service-between-vancouver-and-quesnel/

[LeftCoaster]

Finally! Who needs Rome or Guangzhou when we've got Quesnel!

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

The XLR, unlike the A220, isn't it's own fleet type. It will be integrated into the A320 family fairly easily. So AC can very easily decide to base a few at YVR, if the need arises. They didn't have that luxury with the A220.

Can an A320CEO pilot fly a NEO? I assumed the cockpit systems would be dramatically different.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Finally! Who needs Rome or Guangzhou when we've got Quesnel!

Yes!! Exactly!! Never mind Rome, never mind Barcelona or athens or Lisbon ... work on getting Smithers, Revelstoke, Burns Lake, Timmins, Lloydminster ... We have to think BIG ! ! We have to think connectivity!! We have to think globally!!

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yes!! Exactly!! Never mind Rome, never mind Barcelona or athens or Lisbon ... work on getting Smithers, Revelstoke, Burns Lake, Timmins, Lloydminster ... We have to think BIG ! ! We have to think connectivity!! We have to think globally!!

As someone based in Victoria, I am all for a seamless connection in Vancouver between Victoria and Lisbon.

Making that connection in Toronto is bad. TAP flies from the in-field terminal, you have that long bus ride out to the terminal. Vancouver could do better. Especially if they find some way of eliminating the south terminal shuttle.

The other connection I would love to see is more options between Williams Lake and Victoria through Vancouver.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Can an A320CEO pilot fly a NEO? I assumed the cockpit systems would be dramatically different.

Yes they can. The flight deck is largely the same for a CEO and NEO, which is why it’s part of the same type rating for a pilot. You get a “differences training” when transitioning between the two, mostly due to the different engines, performance, etc. Once that is done, you’re good to go on all the Airbus A320 family.

The same cannot be said about the A220. That one was designed by Bombardier, and therefore has very little commonality to the A320 family. Hence why it needed a different pilot pool. This is the main reason why AC decided to base them out east, until now.

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yes!! Exactly!! Never mind Rome, never mind Barcelona or athens or Lisbon ... work on getting Smithers, Revelstoke, Burns Lake, Timmins, Lloydminster ... We have to think BIG ! ! We have to think connectivity!! We have to think globally!!

A reliable flight to Revelstoke would be in the top 5 new destinations for me.

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

A reliable flight to Revelstoke would be in the top 5 new destinations for me.

Well, currently the only travel option available I know of between Vancouver YVR to Revelstoke (YRV) area both directions, is on Rider Express bus route that does daily nonstop service between Vancouver/Calgary - with up to 10 weekly bus departures both directions & (with stops along the way).

https://riderexpress.ticpoi.com/

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yes!! Exactly!! Never mind Rome, never mind Barcelona or athens or Lisbon ... work on getting Smithers, Revelstoke, Burns Lake, Timmins, Lloydminster ... We have to think BIG ! ! We have to think connectivity!! We have to think globally!!

Don’t diss additional regional connectivity, even tiny ones. It’s what helps fill long haul flights. The more connecting opportunities, the higher the chances of a potential YVR-FCO.

That’s exactly how WS can make all those YYC-Europe runs work.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Don’t diss additional regional connectivity, even tiny ones. It’s what helps fill long haul flights. The more connecting opportunities, the higher the chances of a potential YVR-FCO.

That’s exactly how WS can make all those YYC-Europe runs work.

Hey, that's informative, thank you. I see it in a different light now. I have to admit I sometimes wondered how WS supported all those European routes from YYC!!

[Johnny Aussie]

ZIPAir winter changes

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250726-zgnw25yvr

ZIPAIR Tokyo this week opened reservations for Tokyo Narita – Vancouver route during Northern winter 2025/26 season. From 26OCT25 to 28MAR26, the airline tentatively schedules 3 weekly flights with Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner.

The airline during Northern winter 2024/25 season scheduled 4 weekly flights (5 in March 2025).

Schedule below focuses on the period of 03NOV25 – 29DEC25.

ZG022 NRT1600 – 0730YVR 788 16
ZG022 NRT1615 – 0745YVR 788 5

ZG021 YVR0930 – 1245+1NRT 788 16
ZG021 YVR0945 – 1300+1NRT 788 5

Meanwhile AC is upgauging YVR-NRT to a daily 77W

JAL maintains a daily 788 to NRT while NH a daily 789 to HND

[nname]

Originally Posted by nname

Keep in mind that schedule is not finished yet, likely there will still new destination left to be announced.

For the schedule I got (with 95 weekly flight) there is still open slot on the afternoon of days 1357. So if they fill it, the YVR may end up with close to 100 weekly flights, maybe slightly over depend how long the route will be.

Don't know where else can they fly to? US most likely out of the question... Restart peak seasonal service to YKF? Maybe PUJ as WS/WG doesn't seems to be interested in operating from YVR next winter (so far)? Try restart SJD for probably the 4th time or maybe some new station in Mexico or the Caribbean?

Looks like F8 is adding 3x weekly YVR-MEX starting late October on days 157. So this is likely the full winter schedule, with 98x weekly out of YVR.

F8 2820 YVR1610 - 2345MEX 7M8 157
F8 2821 MEX0045 - 0455YVR 7M8 246

F8 is also adding YYZ-MEX on days 246... so likely they got a daily slot at MEX?

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

Yes they can. The flight deck is largely the same for a CEO and NEO, which is why it’s part of the same type rating for a pilot. You get a “differences training” when transitioning between the two, mostly due to the different engines, performance, etc. Once that is done, you’re good to go on all the Airbus A320 family.

The same cannot be said about the A220. That one was designed by Bombardier, and therefore has very little commonality to the A320 family. Hence why it needed a different pilot pool. This is the main reason why AC decided to base them out east, until now.

Surprising. I figured since some of ACs 320s are 20ish years old the cockpit would look/function a lot differently. Good to hear it isn't, will help AC move the XLRs around if they want.

Still don't see a huge role for them at YVR though, it mostly just allows a flight a bit further into the pacific/Arctic without hitting anything meaningful. It really is an East Coast --> Europe machine.

Originally Posted by nname

Looks like F8 is adding 3x weekly YVR-MEX starting late October on days 157. So this is likely the full winter schedule, with 98x weekly out of YVR.

F8 2820 YVR1610 - 2345MEX 7M8 157
F8 2821 MEX0045 - 0455YVR 7M8 246

F8 is also adding YYZ-MEX on days 246... so likely they got a daily slot at MEX?

That's great. Really hope F8 survives but this upcoming downturn is going to be tough to weather for the less insulated firms.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

Looks like F8 is adding 3x weekly YVR-MEX starting late October on days 157. So this is likely the full winter schedule, with 98x weekly out of YVR.

F8 2820 YVR1610 - 2345MEX 7M8 157
F8 2821 MEX0045 - 0455YVR 7M8 246

F8 is also adding YYZ-MEX on days 246... so likely they got a daily slot at MEX?

Another good addition. Also really good to see competition with a few airlines serving Mexico/ Central America from YVR. Not dominated by just one airline. MEX becomes another destination with three carriers on it

[s211]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Surprised nobody posted this yet! This is huge!

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250724-8pnw25yqz

Pacific Coastal Airlines yesterday (23JUL25) announced new route launch during Northern winter 2025/26 season. On 30OCT25, the airline will commence Vancouver – Quesnel route, on board Beechcraft 1900 aircraft. The airline will serve this route 6 times a week.

8P1775 YVR1330 – 1445YQZ BE1 x6
8P1776 YQZ1510 – 1635YVR BE1 x6

https://www.pacificcoastal.com/pacific-c...p-service-between-vancouver-and-quesnel/

Stop the presses!

[trofirhen]

Is there any chance YVR will get MEL back? I believe that, as Melbourne was deeply impacted by Covid 19, the route was dropped, // However, earlier than that, I read that the YVR-MEL route was strong in J Class. Is that not an indicator of potential profitability as a route?