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Old Posted Oct 25, 2024, 1:08 PM
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Two Ellis Don construction trailers now parked on the west side parking lot. Looks like they will be starting the contract for the next phase of the renovations to the arena soon.

link to plans - https://pub-london.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=99328

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EllisDon construction fencing now up around the west end parking lot. Still being used as parking thou with the Knights and Lightning now into playoffs.
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They have now peeled off the pavement on the west side parking lot. Should see excavation for the foundation footings of the expansion soon.
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Have started forming for the foundation footing walls on the new west side addition for back of the house.
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Have started installing some structural steel on the existing one story section of the back of house. Also forming continues for the foundation walls of the new addition. Once they finish the foundation wall pours the structural steel skeleton of the new addition should go up fast.

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I honestly thought they should’ve added another 5000 to 7000 seats!!!!
It would’ve been well worth it. We would’ve started getting bigger events again!!!!
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I honestly thought they should’ve added another 5000 to 7000 seats!!!!
It would’ve been well worth it. We would’ve started getting bigger events again!!!!
Doubtful it could be done after the fact. There was a large debate back in the design days of how big to go, and the Knights of all parties involved, were against it being as large as it is, while certain civic managers like Vic Cote would be proven right that it should have been larger than what was settled on.

I do recall that the costs weren't linear, that 50% more seats wasn't just 50% more cost, more like double the costs, but it would have been nice for the city at the time to go all in on it. Although many on council probably thought that what we got was going all in.

But anyway, like I suggested I think in this thread some time back, I think the only way to economically add seats is to add in the missing west end of the upper bowl, but that would only add 1500-2000 hockey seats but nothing for concerts as they would all be behind the stage. I don't see how you make the upper bowl higher without it extending out, and you are locked in by streets on 2 of the sides.
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Yeah as discussed on this forum in the past the boat has sailed on a larger venue for the next 50 years or so.

Its interesting to see Sudbury has approved a new Arena Entertainment Centre in the downtown to the tune of ~$200M for approx 5600 seats.

And Hamilton is spending around that much just on a major refurb of its arena.

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Doubtful it could be done after the fact. There was a large debate back in the design days of how big to go, and the Knights of all parties involved, were against it being as large as it is, while certain civic managers like Vic Cote would be proven right that it should have been larger than what was settled on.

I do recall that the costs weren't linear, that 50% more seats wasn't just 50% more cost, more like double the costs, but it would have been nice for the city at the time to go all in on it. Although many on council probably thought that what we got was going all in.

But anyway, like I suggested I think in this thread some time back, I think the only way to economically add seats is to add in the missing west end of the upper bowl, but that would only add 1500-2000 hockey seats but nothing for concerts as they would all be behind the stage. I don't see how you make the upper bowl higher without it extending out, and you are locked in by streets on 2 of the sides.
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Brantford is also projecting 115-140 million for their new arena of 5000-ish seats, which I also think is too small. Land is already city owned, being adjacent to the current arena (which I'm not sure if they plan to keep as a community rink, or demolish).
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Yeah as discussed on this forum in the past the boat has sailed on a larger venue for the next 50 years or so.

Its interesting to see Sudbury has approved a new Arena Entertainment Centre in the downtown to the tune of ~$200M for approx 5600 seats.

And Hamilton is spending around that much just on a major refurb of its arena.
I would think closer to 25 years. Arena's typically have a lifespan of around 50 years before they are replaced. 25 years comes at you quicker than you think.
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I would think closer to 25 years. Arena's typically have a lifespan of around 50 years before they are replaced. 25 years comes at you quicker than you think.
Pro arenas, which are cash cows for the owners, sure. A regional centre like this though, I can see stretching out the timeline on a replacement with a couple major renovations in there. I think this place could use some new seats but I don't know that they can replace them with anything more comfortable without sacrificing the number of seats. Width and legroom is fine (especially compared to SBA in Toronto) but the seats themselves are just hard to sit on.
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I would think closer to 25 years. Arena's typically have a lifespan of around 50 years before they are replaced. 25 years comes at you quicker than you think.
On the matter of expanding arenas in the future, I'm not sure that the method/platform of delivering entertainment (or even the definition of entertainment) in 25 to 50 years could be predicted very well today, given the extreme rate of technological development. The recent A.I. issue (debacle?) of Velvet Sundown is only a very early precursor of a new definition of entertainment that the corporate delivery services will be pushing very hard to expand and perfect into the future (and they will, as the potential for massive profits is too tempting to resist). Coupling that with the potential of perfecting home-based virtual reality technologies and it begs the question if people will go to stadiums/arenas for entertainment with the same frequency as is now.

That statement may sound a little crazy, but take the example of what has happened to the film industry. 30 years ago, home video players coupled with larger high quality displays meant that if people were willing to wait 6 or 8 months after initial release, people could rent/purchase media content and take in most first rate films without ever going to a theatre. With today’s situation of internet infrastructure streaming entertainment content directly into homes that are equipped with low-cost, very large, hi-def displays - and now the commercial delivery services also producing and owning the content, attendance in movie theatres has collapsed. Many theatres have closed, and organisations who invested uncounted millions into building movie theatres in the past 10 years ago will in some cases have lost a lot of money. I’ve seen enormous 8-plex theatres abandoned. If this trend continues, in the future there may still be a consumer demand for seeing a big visual extravagance film on a 3 story tall screen and such, but it begs the question if people will go to movie theatres for entertainment with the same frequency as is now (and it is already in rapid decline). From an urban planning perspective, movie theatres are on the way to becoming a niche thing.

In the future, if the delivery services get the A.I. technology perfected (and they likely will) not only will they be producing and owning the content, they will own the music or acting performers – as they will exist only in the server farms of the content delivery services. Following the investment expenditure to develop the technology and then the individual “performers”, those properties can be used to “perform” endlessly at zero cost to the content provider (something like sophisticated martinets) and so that’s what they are going to make available to the consumer. If home-based V.R. is perfected (and it likely will), then (as an example) why would one pay outlandish costs to see a music concert in an arena at a distance of 50 metres from the stage while sitting in uncomfortable seats, when the performers could instead be playing in your living room? There may still be a desire to go to a live show for the excitement and dopamine rush of being part of the crowd (as the song goes: “To feel the warm thrill of confusion, that space cadet glow”), but like movies now, how frequently will that occur?

Circling back to owners/investors sinking a lot of money into building/expanding arenas and performance halls in a period 25 years and beyond from now, it is questionable how multi-purpose such a facility might be under the scenario just outlined. If sports will still draw crowds, there may still be a more singular purpose for an arena, but the multi-use purpose may go the way of movie theatres. It is situations such as this that long-term planners need to take into acute consideration.


P.S – apologies for the long post, but the topic is difficult to be brief on considering the complexity.

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Another load of structural steel has been brought to the site so should see it being installed soon. Looks like they have wrapped up the foundation footings and walls for the addition.
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LFP article on progress of renovation work at arena. They recently finishing building what appears to be an elevator or stairwell shaft with concrete blocks on the west side.

https://lfpress.com/sports/local-sports/...rming-canada-life-place?itm_source=index
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Milestone day as they have started installing the big structural steel posts and beams for the new 2 story addition on the west side. Should have the skeleton installed by end of the week.
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Looks like they have wrapped up the main structural steel installation for the west side addition. Just need to install the steel floor and roof sheeting.
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They have now installed the roof sheeting on both the 2s and 1s section of the addition. Have ground level concrete block walls build on the north and south side. Not sure what the plans for the west side are. Windows?
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Have now poured the ground floor concrete slab on the addition. Also installing the exterior wall steel joists on the second floor north side wall.
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