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Old Posted Jun 26, 2025, 6:15 PM
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Do we have any more information on this design? I really like it. Is this an older design?
I believe this was the design for when DB was considering a move to the building.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2025, 6:27 PM
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Do we have any more information on this design? I really like it. Is this an older design?
Video visualisation of this design.
https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-200-greenwich-st-2wtc-1-251-ft-90-floors-on-hold/78/2182
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If this is the current design, it's much nicer than the renderings with the stick antenna design.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2025, 10:27 AM
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If this is the current design, it's much nicer than the renderings with the stick antenna design.
Tenants have a choice of these designs, the newest of which features a spire.

Source: https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-200-greenwich-st-2wtc-1-251-ft-90-floors-on-hold/78/2576
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2025, 11:12 PM
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Too massive and expensive. The likelihood that they will build a version with a spire is much higher.
Nothing too massive about that building at all. The WTC buildings are fully leased. This tower can be built and financed. The final outcome (design) will be determined by the anchor tenant. Silverstein will do what developers do (and has been done already at this site) to accommodate a signed tenant. All we have to do is sit back and wait.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2025, 11:14 PM
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Meanwhile, its just a matter of time before options for space dry up.


https://www.crainsnewyork.com/op-ed/op-ed-rare-lease-cycle-convergence-coming-new-york

A rare lease cycle convergence will reshape New York's real estate market


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Don’t let one quiet month distract from the bigger picture: office tenants are heading toward a long-term building crisis – yet landlords and developers with vision are well positioned to benefit from a reshaped commercial real estate landscape as tenants evaluate their options.

Between 2027 and 2035, New York City will experience a rare and powerful convergence of lease expirations in the office market. This isn’t a typical cycle—it’s a collision of multiple lease generations that could redraw the city’s commercial map.

Long-term leases signed in the early 2000s are expiring. Trophy relocations of the 2010s—Hudson Yards, One World Trade, and One Manhattan West—are approaching their first major renewal windows, and post-COVID stopgap deals signed amid uncertainty are also running out.
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Across the city, over 100 million square feet of leases are coming due in the next two to ten years—a tidal wave the market isn’t ready for.

The challenge isn’t just timing—it’s availability. The city’s best-performing buildings are already near full occupancy. One Vanderbilt, Hudson Yards, 550 Madison, and Manhattan West have little space left to offer. Simultaneously, the new development pipeline is limited, with few Class A or Trophy towers in the works and even fewer to be delivered in time to absorb upcoming demand. So, the real question is: where will tenants go?
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The answer is becoming clear: repositioned buildings. In Q1 2025, Class B leasing volume was 25% above its 10-year average, with over 2 million square feet leased in two of the last three quarters. That level of activity isn’t happening in new towers anymore. It’s happening in buildings that were, until recently, overlooked.

But leasing in Class B buildings doesn’t mean tenants have to settle for less. Some of the most notable moves in the market have come from vintage buildings brought back to life by bold visions. Reimagined assets like 590 Madison, 345 Park Avenue, 200 Park Avenue, and 660 Fifth Avenue have proven that old buildings can find new life.
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If you pay attention to who is signing leases where, it’s clear that the future of New York’s office market won’t be defined by traditional metrics like height or architectural vintage. Instead, it will be shaped by buildings with enduring architectural components, strategic locations, and compelling narratives. And most importantly: will include buildings that haven’t been re-imagined—but are primed for it.
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For tenants, the risk isn’t just missing out on best-in-class space—it’s getting boxed into buildings with no future relevance. Forward-looking companies aren’t waiting. Jane Street Capital, Visa, Apollo Global Management, and NYU, for example, have already signed long-term deals—years ahead of their expirations—locking in space before the real scramble begins.

The convergence is coming. The only question is who will be ready—and who will be waiting in line behind them because the future of the New York office won’t be won by square footage. It will be won by strategy.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2025, 11:06 PM
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If this cycle isn't going to revive WTC2 nothing will...
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2025, 8:19 AM
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Tenants have a choice of these designs, the newest of which features a spire.

Source: https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-200-greenwich-st-2wtc-1-251-ft-90-floors-on-hold/78/2576
So it seems these designs coming out since 2022 are just variations with the same theme to lessen the chance of tenants not being satisfied with the design? Don't recall previous themes (BIG and Fosters) having variations on the the height, bulk, spire and shape.

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If this cycle isn't going to revive WTC2 nothing will...
If this never gets built they should at least cover the mechanical vents at the base and repave the surrounding sidewalks to look more scenic. Existing graffiti on the mechanical vents and the bare concrete sidewalk surrounding the base being left there if the site never gets built would make the site look visibly unfinished even at ground level.
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So it seems these designs coming out since 2022 are just variations with the same theme to lessen the chance of tenants not being satisfied with the design?
Yes.

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Old Posted Jul 26, 2025, 6:41 PM
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They haven’t started construction yet! They still on hold for indefinitely. They supposed to be built already. What are they waiting for?!?!
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2025, 11:18 PM
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As per JRF on YIMBY Forums, AmEx is full steam ahead here.

Amazing news.
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2025, 12:14 AM
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The spire version is what will be built.
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The spire version is what will be built.
I lived and worked in this area for a very long time, and I was there on 9/11/2001. I'm elated.

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I lived and worked in this area for a very long time, and I was there on 9/11/2001. I'm elated.

New York is BACK.

I am crying tears of joy.

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Old Posted Aug 1, 2025, 4:20 AM
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As per JRF on YIMBY Forums, AmEx is full steam ahead here.

Amazing news.
Woah what!? Do you have an article or link?


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The spire version is what will be built.
I hope not but if so I really hope the roof is noticeably higher than 3WTC, like 12-1,250 feet.


Now 5WTC, I don't believe that one needs a tenant since it would be residential, or at least I think it was at some point.
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I'm very pleased with this, and the spire enhances it in my opinion.




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Huh, I heard about this from a friend of my wife, someone working in upper management at Amex, a few weeks ago, but dismissed it, given the tortured history of this site. Seems like it's finally happening.
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