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Old Posted Jun 19, 2025, 11:21 AM
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Wait, how would converting Coleson Cove into a natural gas fired power plant , or turning it into a battery storage facility have anything to do with Saint John energy?

First off, Saint John Energy does not own the windfarm...



From what I understand, NB Power was mad about the Wind Farm "freeloading" or something like that a while back, and that they don't get along with Saint John Energy in general, but again, I fail to see how any of that would interfere with plans to convert Coleson Cove to a natural gas fired power plant, or into a substantial battery storage facility?

NB Power would remain the sole owner of Coleson Cove facility, whether it was converted into natural gas fired power plant, or converted into a battery storage facility. Moreover, if NB Power did convert Coleson Cove into a battery storage facility, it would let them tap into the Wind farm as a source of power, which would seemingly deal with their bone of contention with that wind farm project.

The only party that might be pissed about turning Coleson Cove into a battery storage facility would be Saint John Energy, as it could impact how much energy the wind farm would be supplying Saint John energy with.

If I'm missing something or failing to understand something though, please, do fill me in, as I'd like to know.
That’s not possible, since the only way that Burchill’s power reaches customers is through the dedicated transmission lines SJ Energy was forced to build themselves when NB Power refused to allow them to use their transmission lines.

On top of that, the wind farm has a contract with SJ Energy to deliver its power exclusively to the utility, that was part of the terms that were agreed to when the utility issued a call for proposals to develop a wind farm on that land in the first place.

The freeloading accusations from NB Power stemmed from the concept that NB Power views the ups and downs of the wind farm generation as a liability of sorts, whereby they are forced to adjust the amount of energy they supply to SJ Energy throughout the course of the day rather than being able to assume a more predictable figure. One would assume that the new solar farm would help level that fluctuation a bit, as solar power often performs well when wind does not [and visa versa, although not always], so maybe it would reduce the surcharges NB Power has sought to extract from SJ Energy for the fact they are a more progressive and competent energy utility than NB Power could ever dream of being.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2025, 1:44 PM
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That’s not possible, since the only way that Burchill’s power reaches customers is through the dedicated transmission lines SJ Energy was forced to build themselves when NB Power refused to allow them to use their transmission lines.

On top of that, the wind farm has a contract with SJ Energy to deliver its power exclusively to the utility, that was part of the terms that were agreed to when the utility issued a call for proposals to develop a wind farm on that land in the first place.

The freeloading accusations from NB Power stemmed from the concept that NB Power views the ups and downs of the wind farm generation as a liability of sorts, whereby they are forced to adjust the amount of energy they supply to SJ Energy throughout the course of the day rather than being able to assume a more predictable figure. One would assume that the new solar farm would help level that fluctuation a bit, as solar power often performs well when wind does not [and visa versa, although not always], so maybe it would reduce the surcharges NB Power has sought to extract from SJ Energy for the fact they are a more progressive and competent energy utility than NB Power could ever dream of being.
Interesting, thanks for clarifying. Though I wonder, was that contract signed in perpetuity?

Any contract can be subject to renegotiation. So what might not be likely in the short term, could be possible in the long term.

Regardless of the wind farm piece, I still don’t get how NB power converting Coleson Cove to natural gas, or something more radical, like turning it into a battery storage facility would have anything to do with with Saint John Energy, as Jake seemed to imply it would, when NB Power is the sole owner of the Coleson Cove facility.

Also, considering how many square feet of buildings may be constructed at the Lorneville industrial park into the future, possibly into the millions of square feet, there could be quite a good opportunity for solar power out there, on top of those buildings, and throughout the industrial park.

Converting Coleson Cove to natural gas, let alone turning it into a battery storage facility would be medium term and/or long term options. Even without drawing on power from the wind farm, I think battery storage could be a good long term purpose for the Coleson Cove facility. Though, in the long term, maybe by the time the windmills need replacing, it might be more closely looked at, as major battery storage facility near a wind farm could make a lot of sense.

I just think, in the long term, NB Power can do a lot better than an oil fired generating station at Coleson Cove. Not that it doesn’t serve an important purpose for now, as it certainly does.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2025, 2:08 PM
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Hopefully NB Power will have ceased to exist in it's present form within the near future and will have been replaced with an efficient and well run utility. (bit of a pipe dream I know but one can always hope) .....hey, maybe Saint John Energy should take them over?

Although, that might be like when Mercedes took over Chrysler. Instead of fixing Chrysler Mercedes got infected by the Chrysler disease. Probably best for SJ Energy to stay as far away as possible from NB Power.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2025, 7:07 PM
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What development is this? Such an odd design IMO
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2025, 8:27 PM
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What development is this? Such an odd design IMO
Think this is on the Hampton Rd in Quispamsis. Should probably be on that thread.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2025, 8:45 PM
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NB Power would remain the sole owner of Coleson Cove facility, whether it was converted into natural gas fired power plant, or converted into a battery storage facility. Moreover, if NB Power did convert Coleson Cove into a battery storage facility, it would let them tap into the Wind farm as a source of power, which would seemingly deal with their bone of contention with that wind farm project.
I never mentioned anything about converting Coleson Cove to a natural gas fired plant. That would certainly be within NBP's purview and is probably a good idea. You are also correct about SJE not owning the wind farm - but my understanding is that it has contracted for 100% of its output for a lengthy period (circa 30 years) so NBP would have no ability to "tap in" to the wind farm.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2025, 9:09 PM
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Also, the Burchill wind farm is already connected to SJE’s Tesla storage batteries-which don’t require a large industrial plant to store. https://sjenergy.ca/go-green/zero30/tesla-mega-pack
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2025, 9:32 PM
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Think this is on the Hampton Rd in Quispamsis. Should probably be on that thread.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2025, 12:49 AM
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Think this is on the Hampton Rd in Quispamsis. Should probably be on that thread.
I think it would be a best practice to post things here in the mega thread and in the more localized threads (or vice versa) especially since it takes very little effort to copy and paste a post from one thread to another.

If we only post projects in this mega thread, I think it gives a bit of a false impression that Moncton has twice or three times as much development going on as Saint John… at least upon first glance of the main page. That was part of my motivation to start making more localized threads at least.

This thread now has over 800 pages and is a bit daunting to read from start to finish, to say the least, plus some people are only interested in reading about developments in their own local areas.

Ive actually read quite a bit of this ginormous thread from the start, dating back to 2007, and trying to read more, as I think it’s quite interesting. (Especially the part where Donald Trump shows up wanting to build a casino )

It seems the competitive spirit versus Moncton mostly vanished somewhere around the middle of this thread, but I think that spirit of competition is starting to come back a bit.

Flame wars aren’t good, but a competitive spirit is.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2025, 1:02 AM
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I never mentioned anything about converting Coleson Cove to a natural gas fired plant. That would certainly be within NBP's purview and is probably a good idea. You are also correct about SJE not owning the wind farm - but my understanding is that it has contracted for 100% of its output for a lengthy period (circa 30 years) so NBP would have no ability to "tap in" to the wind farm.
That would make sense, as wind turbines typically have a lifespan of 20-30 years. And yes, I know we have the Tesla Packs (purchased before Elon went crazy ). It’s good we have those to compliment the windfarm, but they are still a pretty small scale solution.

Perhaps I should have stipulated, “in the long term”, in my post before regarding Coleson cove and turning it into a large scale battery facility working in synergy with the nearby wind farm, as I certainly don’t expect something like that will happen in the near future. But I still think it could be a good use for such a large facility connected to the power grid, in the more distant future, especially if we ever make a successful attempt to harness tidal power on this side of the Bay of Fundy.

Converting CC to natural gas; however, I could see happening in the short to medium term. I didn’t realize NB had the 4th largest natural gas reserves in the country, despite being one of the smallest provinces by land area, but I heard that just the other day… and it could be quite an opportunity for New Brunswick.
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That would make sense, as wind turbines typically have a lifespan of 20-30 years. And yes, I know we have the Tesla Packs (purchased before Elon went crazy ). It’s good we have those to compliment the windfarm, but they are still a pretty small scale solution.

Perhaps I should have stipulated, “in the long term”, in my post before regarding Coleson cove and turning it into a large scale battery facility working in synergy with the nearby wind farm, as I certainly don’t expect something like that will happen in the near future. But I still think it could be a good use for such a large facility connected to the power grid, in the more distant future, especially if we ever make a successful attempt to harness tidal power on this side of the Bay of Fundy.

Converting CC to natural gas; however, I could see happening in the short to medium term. I didn’t realize NB had the 4th largest natural gas reserves in the country, despite being one of the smallest provinces by land area, but I heard that just the other day… and it could be quite an opportunity for New Brunswick.
We have already seen that any attempt to even explore for natural gas (much less bring in widespread production) brings large numbers of protesters (many indigenous) and extensive civil disobedience, vandalism of exploration equipment and the potential for violence. Combine that with what appears to be an extreme reluctance on the part of law enforcement to enforce court orders and I don't foresee any government in NB willing to push the issue.

Our best bet is probably a pipeline to bring western gas into the province.
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Today is undoubtedly an excellent example of our thick summer fog; it hasn't cleared all day.

Coincidentally, there was a news piece about Shediac's solar farm yesterday. It is currently the largest in the province, and its capacity is just 1.63 MW, in comparison to the 10 MW proposed for Saint John, so that is a serious jump up in scale, despite still being relatively small.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/atlantic/new-brun...tting-from-provinces-largest-solar-farm/

I have been trying to find the source data for sunshine hours by city in Canada, but I haven't had any luck so far. However, based on a few public websites, Saint John appears to have around 1950 hours of sunshine per year, which is similar to other cities in BC, Ontario, and the Maritimes, but noticeably less than those in the prairies. My only concern with this data is where in Saint John it was recorded. A lot of weather data tends to be recorded by the airport, which isn't actually that far from the proposed location so perhaps it will be similar.
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I had a quick listen to Tuesday's PAC meeting.

The Ethos Ridge development was recommended by the PAC with minimal concerns.

For the Latimore Lake Road Mini Home Park, the vote was mixed, and the PAC chose to approve the development despite the city's recommendation to deny it.

859 Sand Cove Road passed unanimously, albeit with some concerns around the intersection, parking, and traffic.
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I know this is one of EnvisionSJ's talking points, but I'm thinking there might be something here too.

On another board, there was some chatter about the BC Ferries contract with the Chinese ship builders. And how no Canadian shipbuilders even considered bidding on the contract, partly because they are booked solid with work.

Reading between the lines, having all our ship yards going flat out with no spare capacity feels like a bad thing.

So it seems to me, that maybe it might be a good Nation Building Project for Holt to propose to Carney to bring SJ ShipBuilding back online. Repair and modernize the drydock and shipyard, and spread out the work a bit more so we have some spare capacity left (and can also handle the military requirements that Carney's about to push hard for).
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I know this is one of EnvisionSJ's talking points, but I'm thinking there might be something here too.

On another board, there was some chatter about the BC Ferries contract with the Chinese ship builders. And how no Canadian shipbuilders even considered bidding on the contract, partly because they are booked solid with work.

Reading between the lines, having all our ship yards going flat out with no spare capacity feels like a bad thing.

So it seems to me, that maybe it might be a good Nation Building Project for Holt to propose to Carney to bring SJ ShipBuilding back online. Repair and modernize the drydock and shipyard, and spread out the work a bit more so we have some spare capacity left (and can also handle the military requirements that Carney's about to push hard for).
I love the idea - especially since the company responsible for all of Halifax's ship building is based here - but I haven't heard it being mentioned in any of the asks to the Feds thus far from our region. Lots to do with the Port, rail, energy infrastructure, etc. but nothing to do with shipbuilding that I have heard.
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