Canadian Skyline Thread III

[Vantage]

Originally Posted by someone123

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I stayed in that hotel overlooking the harbour in October 2015.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by someone123

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Wrong Sydney.

Although Sydney NS does have considerable potential. It is of course hampered by the fact it is located on the far eastern extremity of the province, well away from natural trade corridors, and also by the fact that Halifax 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 about 95% of the oxygen out of the room.

[KnoxfordGuy]

Chicago has the best skyline massing in the Americas. They place towers perfectly.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Nonsense.

It isn't nonsense, it is my opinion. no need for an insulting emoji.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by KnoxfordGuy

Chicago has the best skyline massing in the Americas. They place towers perfectly.

Nowadays, I would agree, even if I always preferred the many architectural jewels of 1910-1940 Manhattan (which are, except the Empire State Building, now largely hidden from view). New York City is the only true rival to Chicago's outstanding skyscraper collection. In the world, in my opinion. That having been said, yes, I can be super impressed with some of the newcomers like Shanghai (Dubai, not so much...the whole is less than the sum of its parts).

[Rico Rommheim]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Lower Manhattan in the 1930s represented the pinnacle of great skyline massing. It will never be beaten (today the same view looks comparatively crappy).

Yup. Skyline perfection.

[Pavlov]

Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

Yup. Skyline perfection.

I respectfully disagree.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

Yup. Skyline perfection.

100% I agree with you guys.

[Nouvellecosse]

I totally get why 30s Lower Manhattan is the ultimate for some people even if I don't get as excited. It's composed pretty much entirely of gothic and art deco towers which many skyscraper enthusiasts dream of. And it has such a classic skyline pinnacle shape and soaring height plus it's very brooding and atmospheric. And skyscrapers were new enough back then that none were really built as perfunctory "filler" or with corners cut the way many are now. They were all just too rare, prestigious and expensive for that. Whereas now, there are cities that are not comparatively wealthy or powerful that have low to mid range residential towers that are just as tall as those. For instance, Aura is just as tall as the roof height of any of the buildings in the Lower Man image yet it has long been criticized for its design and materials and is not the same caliber as many towers in the Toronto financial district.

[Echoes]

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[MonkeyRonin]

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[someone123]

Halifax, South End


Point Pleasant Park in the foreground. Toward the left you can see the Prince of Wales Tower, built 1796. In those days the forest was all cut down and cannons would fire from the tower out at ships in the ocean.


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[MonctonRad]

Downtown Moncton, current status, with the Three Sisters development in the foreground.


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In the immediate foreground left, a six storey apartment building is under construction. This fall will see construction begin on the Gateway Towers, immediately across Assumption Blvd from the Three Sisters. This will consist of two 17 storey towers and a connecting podium. This section of Moncton is getting a complete makeover.

[Rico Rommheim]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Downtown Moncton, current status, with the Three Sisters development in the foreground.


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Holy 🞵🞵🞵🞵! Moncton's got a legit skyline now.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by Echoes

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Such a nice little skyline. The composition of buildings in the first shot with the bridge works really well.

[zoomer]

It's great to see the skyline shots of smaller Canadian cities shared above as the changes are more apparent. Moncton has really changed since I was there 6 years ago and perhaps it'll change even more in the next 6.

Has the scale now tipped so continued moderate to strong growth is inevitable in Atlantic Canada regardless of economic downturns and immigration levels and could that actually support growth as people leave higher housing cost cities?

While not one of our Vancouver SSP member beautiful cinematic drone videos, this one of Kelowna is pretty cool none the less:

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Some interesting views from Surrey:



10957 University Dr Surrey-37 by ONIKON Creative, on Flickr



10957 University Dr Surrey-34 by ONIKON Creative, on Flickr

Now from Victoria - I'm surprised how well and how 'modern' this 1976 development has held up - 49 years old. Including as it shows pieces of the James Bay 'skyline' and downtown.







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[someone123]

Originally Posted by zoomer

Has the scale now tipped so continued moderate to strong growth is inevitable in Atlantic Canada regardless of economic downturns and immigration levels and could that actually support growth as people leave higher housing cost cities?

It is impossible to predict the future but the higher growth has been going on for 10 years now and the low growth of the 90's and 2000's is a bit of a historical aberration.

Atlantic Canada is made up of multiple provinces that are economically distinct. There's a major difference in economic base and demographics between PEI and Newfoundland for example.

In other parts of Canada there isn't a very high level of understanding of the region and often it was presented as simply being an underperforming place when there were specific issues, like the federal government laying off a large percentage of the workforce or imposing lower immigration caps than those of other provinces. Back in 2014 for example, the Harper government set the NS immigration cap at 700 and SK at 4,750. I remember that most people had no understanding of this and in the national media it was taken as immigrants just not liking NS for some reason.

[zoomer]

Looking back I assume the reason Harper set those lower limits was because the 2014 unemployment rate was 3.8% in Saskatchewan and 8.9% in Nova Scotia. So is this similar today when people are calling for less immigration when unemployment rates are high or was this an over reaction and a misguided Conservative government approach?

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Sometimes governments can do to much to 'protect' a region and they basically stifle growth, change and necessary adaptations.

Interesting to note that Harper's 2014 cabinet only had one member from Nova Scotia - Peter MacKay.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/min...edenceReview=73&province=all&gender=all#

[someone123]

Originally Posted by zoomer

Looking back I assume the reason Harper set those lower limits was because the 2014 unemployment rate was 3.8% in Saskatchewan and 8.9% in Nova Scotia. So is this similar today when people are calling for less immigration when unemployment rates are high or was this an over reaction and a misguided Conservative government approach?

No, I think it was just bad policy. Cape Breton had very high unemployment (15%) while Halifax's 5-6% rate was below Toronto, the primary destination of immigrants, and the national average. Halifax got capped because of unemployed people in Cape Breton, and the federal government encouraged people to be unemployed in Cape Breton with generous EI benefits. It's also not necessarily true that because there's unemployment in a province there won't be jobs for immigrants. They bring in unique skills and often set up their own businesses. Cape Breton likely would have benefited from some immigration.

These days people also called for dropping immigration from 3-4% a year whereas the Harper caps on NS were more like 0.1%. A neutral baseline should be something like 1% a year. Cape Breton ended up with something like 7% immigration recently. Another example of bizarre policy. We did have sensible immigration from ~2015-2020.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by zoomer

It's great to see the skyline shots of smaller Canadian cities shared above as the changes are more apparent. Moncton has really changed since I was there 6 years ago and perhaps it'll change even more in the next 6.

Has the scale now tipped so continued moderate to strong growth is inevitable in Atlantic Canada regardless of economic downturns and immigration levels and could that actually support growth as people leave higher housing cost cities?

The Maritime economy is stronger now than it has ever been.

Part of this is self fulfilling optimism. People are seeing economic progress here, and, given the high cost of living elsewhere, are more likely to stay in the region.

Also, since the pandemic, central Canadians seem more willing to think about relocating to the east.

There has also been a lot of international immigration in the last five years.

Population growth breeds economic activity. This fuels the economy and makes people more likely to invest in local ventures.

Finally, when I was growing up, the Maritime population was very rural and decentralized. Now the population is increasingly urban, and centred in a growth corridor stretching from Saint John to Moncton and then on to Truro and Halifax. An urbanized well educated population will not take seasonal fishing or farming jobs, subsisting on pogey for the rest of the year.

The Maritimes is much like the rest of Canada now,