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Old Posted May 23, 2025, 11:59 PM
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I agree. I'm a bit worried that this will turn out to be a 2nd class building in a 1st class location. Fingers crossed I'm worried about nothing.
I haven't read about a lot of people who love the overall design. Especially the top corners.
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Old Posted May 27, 2025, 4:19 PM
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The floor for the parking garage being poured today:

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Old Posted Jun 6, 2025, 1:02 PM
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Bumping the thread with the latest pictures from the Saint John Project thread.

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Old Posted Jun 6, 2025, 2:43 PM
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Nice to see them close to getting above grade.

I still have concerns about this project but fingers crossed it will turn out to be a good looking building of reasonable quality and be a positive addition to King St.
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Saw someone on Retail Talk & Share NB group mention that they've now reached street level.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2025, 5:28 PM
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Saw someone on Retail Talk & Share NB group mention that they've now reached street level.
Yeah, I saw concrete trucks this week, so I assume they were pouring on the King Square side up to street level.

There was also a post on the city's Facebook saying the closure of Charlotte Street for the development has been extended a few more weeks.

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Nice to see them close to getting above grade.

I still have concerns about this project but fingers crossed it will turn out to be a good looking building of reasonable quality and be a positive addition to King St.
I hope so too, but if that’s going to be possible, I think they’re going to have to make some changes to the design of the roof.
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Old Posted Jun 12, 2025, 10:36 PM
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I’m going in with the expectation the brick podium will be stamped concrete simulated brick like the IOL parking garage. When done right it can look decent, depending on how well the seams are done. IOL garage was also Strescon.

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It'd be nice if this project had a webcam.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2025, 12:58 AM
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I wonder if the developer reads the forums, and sees all the comments about the design of the building. At some point it would be great if he released a new render that would at least get rid of those top corner "ornaments".
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I’m in the minority and think it’s overblown how it’s an ugly design. Similar comments were made about the justice complex and IOL HQ, yet both those buildings are amongst the best designed and visually appealing in the province. The fact that the design invokes a discussion tells me it will be a nice addition to the skyline. If someone walks by and pauses to think about the design, good or bad, I think that’s a good thing and separates us from other cities like Moncton. I find it odd how people are comforted by concrete core, glass curtain buildings that are soulless. People are even complaining about the look of Fundy Quay building #1, despite not knowing it’s a classic bauhaus waterfront design that will put it in a league of its own in the province. You have to envision it from afar and how it plays off the surrounding area, not just focus on the design up close. Much like the justice complex, it takes its queues from design elements from buildings in the neighborhood. Obviously floors 1-3 pull from the brick facades along King and Charlotte Streets; floors 4-9 pull from the facade of the Admiral Beatty, IOL building and now the viaduct facing side of the justice complex. The remaining top floors are open to interpretation which I love. It could be viewed as a “crown”, being a city with historic ties to Britain. Anyone who’s been in old apartments uptown could recognize it as an old bureau upside down. Or a visible cap to the uptown skyline making it framed and cozy. Perhaps it pairs up with the two story cap on Telegraph Square. The three colours in the building’s palette are the most common colours on uptown’s skyline, making it harmonious with the area, unlike the brutalist feeling of the JDI building as an example. The decorative cornices many dislike I feel will give the building a sense of completion, rather than a lopped off look. It pays homage to craftsmanship which is evident in so many properties in the uptown. Again, if it invokes discussion, that’s a good thing. For me it’s sad people would probably be happy with a similar design like The Maple in Halifax, a glass soulless building celebrated for its “current” modern look that will age quickly. The most celebrated buildings in the world were also the most criticized.

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I wonder if the developer reads the forums, and sees all the comments about the design of the building. At some point it would be great if he released a new render that would at least get rid of those top corner "ornaments".
I don't know but it's a bloody good question, and I hope he does read the forum, or has taken into consideration comments about those "ornaments" that he's surely heard by now.

Hopefully we get a better render, but I don't know, I just can't imagine it will end up looking good by keeping those as part of the design, or not at least trying to make the roof design less aesthetically offensive.

Maybe it will look good as is, and renders are just crap, but I don't know man... is it really worse the risk, when it should be relatively simple to change the design or just simply delete those "ornaments" and call it a day?

I'm going to continue calling them ornaments now. Thank you lol
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I’m in the minority and think it’s overblown how it’s an ugly design. Similar comments were made about the justice complex and IOL HQ, yet both those buildings are amongst the best designed and visually appealing in the province. The fact that the design invokes a discussion tells me it will be a nice addition to the skyline. If someone walks by and pauses to think about the design, good or bad, I think that’s a good thing and separates us from other cities like Moncton. I find it odd how people are comforted by concrete core, glass curtain buildings that are soulless. People are even complaining about the look of Fundy Quay building #1, despite not knowing it’s a classic bauhaus waterfront design that will put it in a league of its own in the province. You have to envision it from afar and how it plays off the surrounding area, not just focus on the design up close. Much like the justice complex, it takes its queues from design elements from buildings in the neighborhood. Obviously floors 1-3 pull from the brick facades along King and Charlotte Streets; floors 4-9 pull from the facade of the Admiral Beatty, IOL building and now the viaduct facing side of the justice complex. The remaining top floors are open to interpretation which I love. It could be viewed as a “crown”, being a city with historic ties to Britain. Anyone who’s been in old apartments uptown could recognize it as an old bureau upside down. Or a visible cap to the uptown skyline making it framed and cozy. Perhaps it pairs up with the two story cap on Telegraph Square. The three colours in the building’s palette are the most common colours on uptown’s skyline, making it harmonious with the area, unlike the brutalist feeling of the JDI building as an example. The decorative cornices many dislike I feel will give the building a sense of completion, rather than a lopped off look. It pays homage to craftsmanship which is evident in so many properties in the uptown. Again, if it invokes discussion, that’s a good thing. For me it’s sad people would probably be happy with a similar design like The Maple in Halifax, a glass soulless building celebrated for its “current” modern look that will age quickly. The most celebrated buildings in the world were also the most criticized.
I admire your optimism, but I don't know. The original design seemed fine, I'm confused why they ever changed the roof design, other than to cut costs.

As for the Fundy Quay building, I agree, it should be a very nice building, but the developer doesn't exactly have a track record building high rises. I hope it ends up looking as nice as the renderings.

As for concrete... concrete can be beautiful. The Pantheon in Rome is made of concrete, and still looks amazing. There's lots of very aesthetically pleasing concrete skyscrapers, even brutalist skyscrapers where the designs are dominated by concrete. The Central Peninsula has lot of room for all kinds of different architecural styles. Not everything new has to ascribe to brick design language of Uptown Saint John to be considered a positive addition to the skyline.

Though, I think it would be great if we saw more buildings go up in Saint John utilizing materials like stone. Concrete can be almost as beautiful as stone, at least when it's done right.
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I don't know but it's a bloody good question, and I hope he does read the forum, or has taken into consideration comments about those "ornaments" that he's surely heard by now.

Hopefully we get a better render, but I don't know, I just can't imagine it will end up looking good by keeping those as part of the design, or not at least trying to make the roof design less aesthetically offensive.

Maybe it will look good as is, and renders are just crap, but I don't know man... is it really worse the risk, when it should be relatively simple to change the design or just simply delete those "ornaments" and call it a day?

I'm going to continue calling them ornaments now. Thank you lol
One way or another, it's going to be a massive improvement over what was there before, and a nice addition to the neighbourhood. Even though I don't live in Saint John, I always root for the city.
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I admire your optimism, but I don't know. The original design seemed fine, I'm confused why they ever changed the roof design, other than to cut costs.

As for the Fundy Quay building, I agree, it should be a very nice building, but the developer doesn't exactly have a track record building high rises. I hope it ends up looking as nice as the renderings.

As for concrete... concrete can be beautiful. The Pantheon in Rome is made of concrete, and still looks amazing. There's lots of very aesthetically pleasing concrete skyscrapers, even brutalist skyscrapers where the designs are dominated by concrete. The Central Peninsula has lot of room for all kinds of different architecural styles. Not everything new has to ascribe to brick design language of Uptown Saint John to be considered a positive addition to the skyline.

Though, I think it would be great if we saw more buildings go up in Saint John utilizing materials like stone. Concrete can be almost as beautiful as stone, at least when it's done right.
Lafford properties has no history of high rises either, yet they are changing the face of Moncton. You just need access to capital.
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Skylines are at their best as panoramas from a distance. I find exploring within a skyline far more entertaining and quality of individual building from designs, to the finishes and, the urban context are at the forefront. A tall building with a bunker for a street level or a parking lot out front is only going to be their best in a panoramic skyline shot.

The mid section and penthouse of the building are very minimal comparable to those glass facade building. The few engaging elements amount to these awkward, puny balconies disrupting the symmetry of the windows topped with ridiculous turrets. The quality appears to be stucco with two different shades of grey representing the mid portion and penthouse. As for the all important street level, it's the opposite of minimal. There's so many elements that don't look good together. The biggest is the dark grey precast or stucco with red brick. This, of course, is based on the rendering as the building doesn't exist.
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Skylines are at their best as panoramas from a distance. I find exploring within a skyline far more entertaining and quality of individual building from designs, to the finishes and, the urban context are at the forefront. A tall building with a bunker for a street level or a parking lot out front is only going to be their best in a panoramic skyline shot.

The mid section and penthouse of the building are very minimal comparable to those glass facade building. The few engaging elements amount to these awkward, puny balconies disrupting the symmetry of the windows topped with ridiculous turrets. The quality appears to be stucco with two different shades of grey representing the mid portion and penthouse. As for the all important street level, it's the opposite of minimal. There's so many elements that don't look good together. The biggest is the dark grey precast or stucco with red brick. This, of course, is based on the rendering as the building doesn't exist.
There are 3 renderings out there, wondering if you saw the correct one. Here is latest, just in case. [IMG][/IMG]

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Lafford properties has no history of high rises either, yet they are changing the face of Moncton. You just need access to capital.
Absolutely. Money is at the centre of this discussion. Still, I think it would be good if Saint John’s leaders tried to attract more developers with experience from outside the province to come and build here in Canada’s original city!

Excited to see what Lafford has in store for Saint John.

I firmly believe we have more potential for high rises here in the Saint John than Moncton, because those ocean views here in SJ are more valuable than Moncton’s muddy river views. But we definitely need to keep the momentum going in terms of population growth and economic growth for that potential to be more fully realized.
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