YVR & Sea Island Developments Discussion II

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by nname

I'm not too sure about that...


On the other hand, not sure what's going on in TW... they filed the schedule, opened reservation (with full fare only) about a week ago, then close reservation. The start date is fast approaching and reservation is still closed. Maybe something still need to be sorted out first?

Reservations appear to be open now on TW website, but it looks to be full-fare only. Also now there is a Canada - English option for the website.

[xd_1771]

Originally Posted by nname

On the other hand, not sure what's going on in TW... they filed the schedule, opened reservation (with full fare only) about a week ago, then close reservation. The start date is fast approaching and reservation is still closed. Maybe something still need to be sorted out first?

Per Korean news sources TW faced some backlash in Korea when they opened reservations initially on May 12 but were displaying prices higher than Korean Air's ICN-YVR flight for each segment. They reversed course and closed/delayed the booking launch, which actually caused speculation that they were going to walk out on the YVR-ICN flight.

https://news.mt.co.kr/mtview.php?no=2025052010375474346

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by xd_1771

Per Korean news sources TW faced some backlash in Korea when they opened reservations initially on May 12 but were displaying prices higher than Korean Air's ICN-YVR flight for each segment. They reversed course and closed/delayed the booking launch, which actually caused speculation that they were going to walk out on the YVR-ICN flight.

https://news.mt.co.kr/mtview.php?no=2025052010375474346

Yes & I notice that AC Air Canada cheapest booking option (Basic) fares for one way/ round trip tickets from Vancouver YVR - Seoul South Korea ICN prices starting to drop mid July on google flights search.

Looks like AC is kind of already preparing for Tway Air’s entry on the route whenever that is✅!

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by nname

I'm not too sure about that...

What you are saying is true as well, but both our points are not mutually exclusive. Both can be true at the same time.

Prices have gone up between 2019 and now, but external factors have influenced the price rise. It's also true that prices would be higher if you didn't have all that
competition to NRT or ICN or TPE.

One of the reasons why prices are so high is because of lack of competition from the Chinese carriers, due to limited access to Canada, further proving my point.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

^ Qantas now showing daily in January

Seems bookable on their website too. Promising!

I thought they were pretty frame constrained, what changed? China weakness? US travel demand drop?

[trofirhen]

This is all about the USA, but I included the link if anyone wants tp take a further look. There are 27 new Transaltlantic routes beginning this month. // What I find interesting is that these are not all from JFK, ORD, and the big guys, but also, flights from IND, SAN, and similar-sized, "mid range," if you will - US departure cities. In addition, there are several never-before-included US cities, plus several brand new city pairs.
Perhaps inspirational for Vancouver, (though being in Canada might limit things , *{CTA, bilaterals and all that.} I'm chomping at the bit for YVR-FCO).

https://simpleflying.com/take-off-the-us-welcomes-these-27-new-european-routes-in-may/

[Johnny Aussie]

T’way has opened up all flights for reservation again. Looked like they were just tweaking their system
Discounted fares available after the peak summer period

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

T’way has opened up all flights for reservation again. Looked like they were just tweaking their system
Discounted fares available after the peak summer period

Yes they did & looks like T’Way Air Seoul ICN- Vancouver YVR - ICN flights ✈️for (S25) season is loaded from July 12- October 25 with 4x weekly service Saturdays, Sundays, Tuesdays & Thursdays operated by the Airbus A330✅.

Winter season nothing loaded yet, but there’s still time for T’Way Air to do it as it gets closer, (if) the ICN- YVR route is going well for them✅.

[LeftCoaster]

Qantas is now being reported on by Aeroroutes, seems like daily for most of Jan then dropping off as high season fizzles out:

Qantas Boosts Vancouver Flights in 1Q26


Qantas in the first quarter of 2026 plans to expand service to Canada, as the carrier increases Sydney – Vancouver flights, currently scheduled 3 times weekly. The oneWorld member from 01JAN26 will operate 1 daily flight, adjusted to 5 weekly from 25JAN26, 4 weekly from 06FEB26 (until 01APR26).

This route is operated by 787-9 Dreamliner.

QF075 SYD2030 – 1525YVR 789 136
QF075 SYD2030 – 1535YVR 789 x136
QF076 YVR2020 – 0635+2SYD 789 D
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250525-qf1q26yvr

[RedArbutus]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Qantas is now being reported on by Aeroroutes, seems like daily for most of Jan then dropping off as high season fizzles out:

Qantas Boosts Vancouver Flights in 1Q26


Qantas in the first quarter of 2026 plans to expand service to Canada, as the carrier increases Sydney – Vancouver flights, currently scheduled 3 times weekly. The oneWorld member from 01JAN26 will operate 1 daily flight, adjusted to 5 weekly from 25JAN26, 4 weekly from 06FEB26 (until 01APR26).

This route is operated by 787-9 Dreamliner.

QF075 SYD2030 – 1525YVR 789 136
QF075 SYD2030 – 1535YVR 789 x136
QF076 YVR2020 – 0635+2SYD 789 D
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250525-qf1q26yvr

Love it. Between this and Fiji's expansion in the last few years, that's yet more competition from OneWorld up against SA (Air Canada + Air NZ) on this route. Can only mean good things for prices.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

What you are saying is true as well, but both our points are not mutually exclusive. Both can be true at the same time.

Prices have gone up between 2019 and now, but external factors have influenced the price rise. It's also true that prices would be higher if you didn't have all that
competition to NRT or ICN or TPE.

One of the reasons why prices are so high is because of lack of competition from the Chinese carriers, due to limited access to Canada, further proving my point.

Exactly this. People going to Japan pre-COVID could grab an el-Cheapo flight through numerous Chinese airports and Canadian & Japanese carriers were forced to compete.

[VancityAvgeek33]

Looks like Air Canada is pulling out of Nashville and Tampa from Vancouver for 2025/26 winter. I didn’t realize air Canada had intentions to operate there Nashville flights over the winter. I wonder if these routes will come back next summer? Maybe demand will pick up again?

[LeftCoaster]

Word is they were both meant to be summer seasonal, so this is just an adjustment that was all expected.

What is strange to me is that Orlando was summer seasonal. Wouldn't that be a better winter route? Orlando mid-summer is a big no thanks from me.

I guess it was inbound traffic into YVR?

[whatnext]

From CBC yesterday, AC pilot calling out Navcan's abysmal performance there.

• Video Link

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

T’way has opened up all flights for reservation again. Looked like they were just tweaking their system
Discounted fares available after the peak summer period

yvr posted on their facebook page today about them coming.

Vancouver International Airport


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안녕하세요! ������
YVR is welcoming a brand-new airline as T'way Air - 티웨이항공 launches year-round service to Seoul-Incheon starting this summer! Get ready for tteokbokki, kal-guksu and the incredible sights and sounds of South Korea with 4x weekly service starting July 12 from the West Coast, providing even more options for travel to Asia and beyond. Learn more: https://news.yvr.ca/tway-air-launches-non-stop-service.../
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안녕하세요! ������
YVR accueille une toute nouvelle compagnie aérienne, alors que T'way Air - 티웨이항공 lance un service à l’année vers Séoul-Incheon à compter de cet été! Préparez-vous pour le tteokbokki, le kal-guksu, les sites touristiques et la musique incroyables de la Corée du Sud avec un service 4 fois par semaine à compter du 12 juillet depuis la côte ouest, offrant encore plus d’options de voyage vers l’Asie et plus encore. Pour en savoir plus : https://news.yvr.ca/.../tway-air-lance-un-service-direct.../
See translation

https://www.facebook.com/YVRAirportAeroport

[SpongeG]

Europe is joing Canada in canceling USA flights. Seattle is getting SAS flights back aftqr 15 years to Copenhagen.

Europe Freezes US Travel as Lufthansa, British , Air France, KLM and More Slash Routes to Major Cities Including New York, Miami, Los Angeles, and Chicago to Tap Soaring Demand Across Canada, Mexico, Brazil and Caribbean
Saturday, May 24, 2025

https://www.travelandtourworld.com/news/...tap-soaring-demand-across-canada-mexico/

Seattle
https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/sas-copenhagen-seattle-15-year-hiatus

[s211]

Originally Posted by whatnext

From CBC yesterday, AC pilot calling out Navcan's abysmal performance there.

• Video Link

He's saying what we're all thinking and peeved about the situation.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

Europe is joing Canada in canceling USA flights. Seattle is getting SAS flights back aftqr 15 years to Copenhagen.

Europe Freezes US Travel as Lufthansa, British , Air France, KLM and More Slash Routes to Major Cities Including New York, Miami, Los Angeles, and Chicago to Tap Soaring Demand Across Canada, Mexico, Brazil and Caribbean
Saturday, May 24, 2025

https://www.travelandtourworld.com/news/...tap-soaring-demand-across-canada-mexico/

That article is AI generated and completely false. You need to pick and chose your sources very carefully when it comes to online articles nowadays.

Originally Posted by s211

He's saying what we're all thinking and peeved about the situation.

That AC pilot’s claims are just as false as that AI article.

He should stick to flying his planes. I don’t go around telling him how to fly his plane. So he should let us ATC do the controlling…

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

That article is AI generated and completely false. You need to pick and chose your sources very carefully when it comes to online articles nowadays.



That AC pilot’s claims are just as false as that AI article.

He should stick to flying his planes. I don’t go around telling him how to fly his plane. So he should let us ATC do the controlling…

Yeah one look at the article, and they say YYC-AMS is a brand new summer seasonal route, YYZ-LGW on BA is a seasonal extension and a new Swiss service to YVR? LAS-CDG ending when it never had scheduled commercial flights on AF in the first place?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

….That AC pilot’s claims are just as false as that AI article.

He should stick to flying his planes. I don’t go around telling him how to fly his plane. So he should let us ATC do the controlling…

How much is the AC pilot’s employer paying out to passengers for missed connections, accommodation and meal vouchers due to Navcan’s issues? Maybe Navcan should be on the hook to the airlines for that.