CHICAGO | Highrise Projects & Construction, v7

[Randomguy34]

1221 W Washington got new construction permits, 2 years after their initial ones. The delay was 1201 W Washington is an orange-rated historic structure and DPD wanted to do a review of the structure before allowing new construction to proceed

[cloudbod]

Originally Posted by woodrow

My guess is that sometime after the heaviest use of coal the owners did tuckpointing replacement of stone at the corners and didn't bother to clean the rest because of cost. Might have thought it's gonna darken, why spend the $$

Oooh, I didn't think about that possibility! Yeah they might've just assumed coal would be a constant haha

[cloudbod]

Originally Posted by Randomguy34

1221 W Washington got new construction permits, 2 years after their initial ones. The delay was 1201 W Washington is an orange-rated historic structure and DPD wanted to do a review of the structure before allowing new construction to proceed

That's good news! Does it look like this rendering is still accurate?

[BVictor1]

Looks like 1200 W. Carroll is pivoting from office to residential.

https://chicityclerkelms.chicago.gov/Matter/?matterId=AE1F2FC3-9332-F011-8C4D-001DD8069D7D

29 stories
312'
398 apartments
151 parking

Thomas Roszak Architects

[dreamy-developer]

Originally Posted by BVictor1

Looks like 1200 W. Carroll is pivoting from office to residential.

https://chicityclerkelms.chicago.gov/Matter/?matterId=AE1F2FC3-9332-F011-8C4D-001DD8069D7D

29 stories
312'
398 apartments
151 parking

Thomas Roszak Architects

The original design would've been a really cool spectacle to see built.

https://neoscape.com/work/1200-w-carroll/

[r18tdi]

Originally Posted by BVictor1

Looks like 1200 W. Carroll is pivoting from office to residential.

https://chicityclerkelms.chicago.gov/Matter/?matterId=AE1F2FC3-9332-F011-8C4D-001DD8069D7D

29 stories
312'
398 apartments
151 parking

Thomas Roszak Architects

I believe Tom Roszak is listed as the developer as well. His team also did the nearby Fulbrix Apartments.

It was only a matter of time before this site pivoted from office to resi. I was wondering if Sterling Bay would hold onto it or spin it off to someone else. Now we know.



https://sterlingbay.com/properties/1200-w-carroll/

[r18tdi]

Crain's has a rendering of 1200 W. Carroll. The addition of new green space is always welcome, but the diagonal pull-in parking doesn't exactly scream urbanism:

[sentinel]

Tragic.

[Jstange059]

They were trying something with the design, but it definitely didn’t quite work, in my opinion at least.

I’d love to see the architects try to be as ambitious with the residential design as they are with the office design, there’s no reason all the former office proposals looked interesting while the residential designs are as they are

And I really don’t get why there has to be a separate residential and retail drop off areas, certainly they could be combined into one to reduce the curb cuts, or simply be removed altogether

[dreamy-developer]

I'm digging that park space though - could be bigger if they remove that retched diagonal street parking. I've always thought that with all of the massive development in the pipeline in the Fulton Market area that the residents and city need to add more park space where they can.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by pianowizard

Will another >800 footer have started rising before this one is finished to keep the current construction cycle going? Probably not, though it's hard to predict the future so far in advance.

That's not that far down the road and since there are no active or promising proposals at the moment, and considering how long proposals can take to come to fruition it doesn't seem likely.

Parcel I and NEMA II developers sold their sites and Tribune East is on the back burner until better days at best.

What would be cool (and maybe possible) is if the second tower actually started right after and got a height bump.


Honestly we'd be lucky to have another 500 footer U/C by that point, let alone 800. I don't think Chicago has anything in the pipeline now but when there are cycles Chicago hits it out of the park, maybe in 5-10 years we'll get lucky again.

[r18tdi]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Parcel I and NEMA II developers sold their sites

Those sold? Who are the buyers? Do you have a source?

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by r18tdi

Those sold? Who are the buyers? Do you have a source?

Sorry I meant up for sale IIRC. I don't think they have buyers yet to my knowledge.

[ardecila]

Originally Posted by bhawk66

They'd still have to clean it. You can't paint over dirt...Well you can, but it would fall off in a year.

A light scrub with soap and water is different than an intensive chemical cleaning to remove deep-set stains.

Here's hoping they do it right, but my concern is that the newer brick at the corners may not match the original brick and the building will still look bad (in a different way) after a cleaning.

[r18tdi]

Originally Posted by ardecila

Here's hoping they do it right, but my concern is that the newer brick at the corners may not match the original brick and the building will still look bad (in a different way) after a cleaning.

I think matching will be very difficult so they'll probably opt to paint everything (which comes with it's own set of issues).

[munchymunch]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Sorry I meant up for sale IIRC. I don't think they have buyers yet to my knowledge.

Parcel I is not up for sale.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by munchymunch

Parcel I is not up for sale.

Referring to this (at the end of the thread it seems Lendlease is potentially selling that and other sites), rumor is it may have gotten chopped under 800' anyway.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229046&page=15

[munchymunch]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Referring to this (at the end of the thread it seems Lendlease is potentially selling that and other sites), rumor is it may have gotten chopped under 800' anyway.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229046&page=15

I think you are confused. Magellan, the developer who has owned and developed all the sites in Lakeshore East for 20+ years, still owns the site. They lost a potential equity partner in Lend Lease but still own the land.

[Ned.B]

Originally Posted by Jstange059

I’d love to see the architects try to be as ambitious with the residential design as they are with the office design, there’s no reason all the former office proposals looked interesting while the residential designs are as they are

I wouldn't put this all on architects. A lot of this is economic. Office space typically pays much more per square foot than apartments, and offices build out their own interiors so there is a greater ability for developers to do interesting and more costly designs.

Also we are now in an era (for the last few years) where it is difficult in general to get projects off the ground. Our office is seeing the multi-family rental projects that are still going forward being beat down to be as economical as possible while still being just luxury enough in appearance to get the desired renters. Granted none of our projects are currently in Chicago, but I imagine the same is happening here. One of my most recent projects went through round after round of value engineering and still wasn't able to get down to the cost that would allow it to be financed and start construction on time. It is now in limbo while the developer figures out what to do next.

Even before that with apartments a lot of the client focus is where the renter focus has been: on the apartment interiors and amenities. So tight budgets means any non-essential on the exterior or more complex forms get axed first.

Do I think this building could be better? Sure. I just thought I'd explain why residential proposals probably aren't living up to their earlier office counterparts.

[Sprinklemoore]

Originally Posted by Ned.B

I wouldn't put this all on architects. A lot of this is economic. Office space typically pays much more per square foot than apartments, and offices build out their own interiors so there is a greater ability for developers to do interesting and more costly designs.

Also we are now in an era (for the last few years) where it is difficult in general to get projects off the ground. Our office is seeing the multi-family rental projects that are still going forward being beat down to be as economical as possible while still being just luxury enough in appearance to get the desired renters. Granted none of our projects are currently in Chicago, but I imagine the same is happening here. One of my most recent projects went through round after round of value engineering and still wasn't able to get down to the cost that would allow it to be financed and start construction on time. It is now in limbo while the developer figures out what to do next.

Even before that with apartments a lot of the client focus is where the renter focus has been: on the apartment interiors and amenities. So tight budgets means any non-essential on the exterior or more complex forms get axed first.

Do I think this building could be better? Sure. I just thought I'd explain why residential proposals probably aren't living up to their earlier office counterparts.

That's really interesting, thanks for the insight!