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Old Posted Oct 5, 2017, 4:40 PM
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All because a small plaque with the PM's name on it tried to be inclusive without getting overly long-winded and doesn't say "Jewish" yet all the imagery, knowledge boards, the shape of the site, and cultural references on the site are Jewish.

Lets be clear, I'm not against a holocaust monument talking about Jews. I've been to the monument, I think as a whole it does an excellent job both as a museum and as a monument. I'm against wasting time in the house of commons and media firestorms about minor issues such as this.
I tend to think if a Residential Schools memorial didn't mention indigenous people or a Stonewall commemoration didn't mention the LGBT community then people from those communities would be upset.

Also, I think one could argue that what makes it newsworthy is the link to the PM's love of generic platitudes.
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The architect himself even acknowledges that the Holocaust monument is not just about Jews:

“It was important that the monument tell the inclusive story of the Holocaust,” Liebeskind has stated, “which included homosexuals, Roma and Sinti, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and political and religious prisoners”—all of whom were marked with triangle badges by the Nazis."

http://canadianart.ca/features/natio...nument-canada/

So actually, the original wording was just that, inclusive of all groups that endured hell during the Holocaust. Lets see what the new wording will be...
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This thread has taken a decidedly "Ooh, look! Shiny!" turn today. The plaque is being replaced. Enough said.
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The architect himself even acknowledges that the Holocaust monument is not just about Jews:

“It was important that the monument tell the inclusive story of the Holocaust,” Liebeskind has stated, “which included homosexuals, Roma and Sinti, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and political and religious prisoners”—all of whom were marked with triangle badges by the Nazis."

http://canadianart.ca/features/natio...nument-canada/

So actually, the original wording was just that, inclusive of all groups that endured hell during the Holocaust. Lets see what the new wording will be...
The new plaque, which by the way is going to cost $20,000 in time and materials (billable), and another $100,000 in time for public servants' work, (un-billable), and another $100,000 in MP's, their offices, paperwork and files, will be all inclusive for sure. More all inclusive than "to the millions of men, women and children murdered during the holocaust"? No. But that's beside the point I guess. We'll just throw more money at it to be more exacting.
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Ottawa's multi-million dollar Holocaust Monument will close in winter

By: Stephanie Levitz, The Canadian Press
Published on Thu Oct 26 2017


OTTAWA — The newly opened National Holocaust Monument will close for winter to avoid any damage that could be caused by the need to clear snow.

But the fact so much time and expense went into the soaring concrete structure just west of Parliament Hill, only to end up being closed for half the year, is raising questions about why the Liberal government can't find a way to keep it open.

The monument was inaugurated September, nearly a decade after the idea of creating it was first raised in the House of Commons.

The National Capital Commission said it will close the monument in late fall, depending on when snow arrives, reopening it early in the spring.

"As is for most of NCC monuments, the National Holocaust Monument will be closed during winter as snow-clearing operations can damage the monument," Cedric Pelletier said in an email.

The monument was initially designed to include a roof and a snow melting system, but both were removed to save money after consultations with the design team, Canadian Heritage and the National Holocaust Memorial Development Council, Pelletier said.

The council did not return a request for comment Thursday. They helped raise roughly half of the $9-million budget for the project, with the rest coming from the federal government.

Conservative MP Peter Kent accused the government of trying to save money by keeping the site closed.

"The death camps operated all year round," he pointed out to Heritage Minister Melanie Joly during question period. "Why shouldn't Canada's commemoration?"

Joly suggested the Conservatives were the ones initially responsible for the issue.

"I'm surprised to hear these concerns coming from the Opposition as these conversations were initiated under their watch," Joly said, but she said it was the NCC ultimately responsible.

Conservative Sen. Linda Frum accused the government of benign neglect of the project overall, pointing to the "bungling" of the dedication plaque, which originally did not mention the Jewish people in its description of the atrocities carried out by Nazis during the Second World War.

The plaque is now being rewritten after an outcry.

Frum said she doesn't want to politicize the monument, but she described the oversights to date as hurtful. "Their hearts are not fully into this monument and what it's there to do."

The monument's design is called "Landscape of Loss, Memory and Survival." The triangles form a six-pointed Star of David when seen from above. As visitors walk through, each triangle provides a space for a particular theme of commemoration, including an interior room containing a flame of remembrance.

The flame will be turned off in the winter, though the monument itself will continue to be illuminated, Pelletier said.

"While we understand that there may be some concerns about the use of heavy snow-removal equipment on the site, surely there are ways to undertake snow removal and ensure access to this important historical and educational exhibit year-round," said Shimon Koffler Fogel, chief executive officer of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs.

Frum said she'd visited the Nazi death camp of Auschwitz in the winter months. To experience it in the cold brought home the horrid conditions that victims of the Holocaust faced, she said.

"The potential for that impact in our monument here in Ottawa is the same. It's a very moving emotional experience to be inside that monument and its starkness, but to do that while its also extremely cold out, it potentially could be part of the experience," Frum said.

"I just don't know why you would go to the trouble of building an $8 to $10-million monument and then close it off to the public for half the year. It doesn't make sense to me."

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Maybe the National Holocaust Memorial Development Council, the sponsors of this project, should take the initiative to be responsible for snow-clearing if they deem that necessary for their memorial. Why does the bill for ongoing maintenance and repair costs always seem to end up as a taxpayer expense?
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The new plaque, which by the way is going to cost $20,000 in time and materials (billable), and another $100,000 in time for public servants' work, (un-billable), and another $100,000 in MP's, their offices, paperwork and files, will be all inclusive for sure. More all inclusive than "to the millions of men, women and children murdered during the holocaust"? No. But that's beside the point I guess. We'll just throw more money at it to be more exacting.
I don't think those "$100,000" figures are based in reality.
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Volunteers behind National Holocaust Monument hope for snow clearing solution

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Published on: November 2, 2017 | Last Updated: November 2, 2017 3:37 PM EDT


OTTAWA — Options are being explored to keep the National Holocaust Monument open once the snow falls after it emerged last week that the newly opened site would be closed for winter.

The subject was high on the agenda for a meeting Thursday between the monument’s development council, the designers and the National Capital Commission.

The NCC has said that clearing the site of snow and ice risks damaging it, so like many national monuments, it has been slated to close later this fall and re-open in the spring.

At the meeting Thursday, the NCC also expressed concern that the design of the monument creates a risk that ice will build up on top of it and then fall, making finding the right maintenance solution essential.

“I honestly believe that everybody wants the right thing here and that if we can do this in a way without pointing fingers then we’ll be able to achieve the best solution in the most efficient manner,” said Rabbi Daniel Friedman, the chairman of the National Holocaust Monument development council, who attended the meeting.

The monument opened to the public in September. The concrete structure is composed of a series of rooms that when taken together form a six-pointed Star of David.

Given Ottawa’s notoriously harsh winters, questions have been raised about why a monument specifically designed for visitors to walk through wasn’t built or budgeted for with snow and ice in mind.

When word surfaced that the monument was to close, the Opposition Conservatives accused the Liberal government of penny-pinching, but Heritage Minister Melanie Joly threw the ball back in their court.

When the green light was given for the monument, the Conservatives were in power and said they’d contribute up to $4 million, provided the council could raise the same amount from the public.

The entire $8 million budget was eaten up by the original design, approved by a jury after a competition. The idea for a snow melting system or a partial roof that could address the challenges posed by Ottawa’s climate didn’t get discussed until later, Friedman said in an interview ahead of the meeting.

“By the time they asked us the question . . . it was already in construction mode,” he said.

“The question addressed to us wasn’t ‘Would you like this design?’ The question was, ‘Can you come up with another $600,000 or not?’ And we said we’re hard pressed to be able to meet the budget the way you’ve given us at the moment.”

While they couldn’t find the funds then, finding a solution going forward is beyond the scope of the council’s responsibility.

The council has technically ceased to exist now that the monument is open and the federal government is responsible for the site’s maintenance.

Friedman said the option of a citizens’ council that could assist was also discussed at the meeting Thursday, and while he’d thought it would require legislation, a memorandum of understanding is all that would be necessary and one is in the works.

“I would love to see somebody step up to make this a reality that is 24-7-365,” he said.

But he remained unclear whether keeping the monument open this winter is a possibility or if it will require a longer-term plan.

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So the NCC will keep the Holocaust memorial snow-cleared all winter.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...nter-1.4407864

Something to bear in mind when they plead poverty as an excuse not to keep their own actual pedestrian (and cycle) paths open in the winter.

If only the powers that be would start considering winter when they design stuff.
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Holocaust Monument closes until Jan. 17 for equipment installation

Vito Pilieci, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: January 9, 2018 | Last Updated: January 9, 2018 10:40 AM EST


The National Capital Commission is alerting visitors to Ottawa that the Holocaust Monument will be closed Tuesday until Jan. 17 for equipment installation.

The NCC said the equipment will allow the monument, which is entitled Landscape of Loss, Memory and Survival, to partially open during winter months. The monument is located at the corner of Wellington and Booth streets.

The type of equipment that is being installed has not been specified.

The NCC has been facing criticism since at least November when it was discovered that due to the inability to clear snow and ice from the monument, that the site would need to be closed to the public during winter months.

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Holocaust Monument closes until Jan. 17 for equipment installation

Vito Pilieci, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: January 9, 2018 | Last Updated: January 9, 2018 10:40 AM EST



The NCC said the equipment will allow the monument, which is entitled Landscape of Loss, Memory and Survival, to partially open during winter months. The monument is located at the corner of Wellington and Booth streets.

The type of equipment that is being installed has not been specified.


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1. Design and build an outdoor building, full of stairs, ramps, and an outdoor elevator.
2. Require that a 24 hour security guard watch the site due to it's blind spots.
3. Close the monument in winter because the unionized security guard can't walk in the dangerous snow.
4. Install 'equipment' for snow removal.
5. Pay every year for ever-after and anon.
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Perhaps for its next trick, the NCC can properly winter-maintain pedestrian paths, stairs, etc., under its jurisdiction.
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Perhaps it is just me that finds contradictions in things. Recently I saw some Hugo Boss emblazoned clothing not far from the Holocaust Monument.
The clothing is pricey. People seem oblivious to the fact that Hugo Boss was an early joiner of the Nazi Party. As the Nazis rose to power HB became wealthy because of his party membership. He was given contracts to manufacture clothing for the Hitler Youth, the SA (aka Storm Troopers, Brown Shirts) and also the SS. After the war the new government gave him a slap on the wrist. He died in 1948 and his company thrives. We wear his name on our shirts while we pass by the Holocaust Monument. Like I said, maybe it is just me who sees a contradiction in this
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Every time you get on a Krupp elevator you are riding in capital created by capitalists who likely created the canons that blew up someone from your lineage in WW1, and WW2.

My knowledge of the Krupp factories had more to do with WW1, but there are dozens of examples like this.

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Perhaps it is just me that finds contradictions in things. Recently I saw some Hugo Boss emblazoned clothing not far from the Holocaust Monument.
The clothing is pricey. People seem oblivious to the fact that Hugo Boss was an early joiner of the Nazi Party. As the Nazis rose to power HB became wealthy because of his party membership. He was given contracts to manufacture clothing for the Hitler Youth, the SA (aka Storm Troopers, Brown Shirts) and also the SS. After the war the new government gave him a slap on the wrist. He died in 1948 and his company thrives. We wear his name on our shirts while we pass by the Holocaust Monument. Like I said, maybe it is just me who sees a contradiction in this
I think the Hugo Boss boutique in Tel Aviv would really weird you out.
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Not sure I'd consider the Holocaust Monument a "building", but anyway.

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A Canadian building was named among the world's most beautiful — and no, it's not the CN Tower

It might not be any of your other top 10 guesses, either.

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Jul 08, 2025, 3:04 PM


When it comes to famous buildings in Canada, the CN Tower tends to hog the spotlight.

Maybe your mind jumps to the Parliament buildings in Ottawa, the Royal Ontario Museum or Casa Loma in Toronto, or Montreal's iconic Habitat 67. You might think of the Gooderham Building (aka Toronto's Flatiron Building), the Canadian Museum for Human Rights in Winnipeg, or one of the grand old railway hotels like the Banff Springs or Château Frontenac.

But a new global ranking just gave some long-overdue love to a Canadian landmark that's much less flashy — and way more meaningful.

Time Out has named one Canadian site among the most beautiful buildings in the world, and it's not the one with a revolving restaurant. Instead, it's a powerful, solemn space just steps from Parliament Hill in downtown Ottawa.

If you're thinking about places to visit in Canada, this spot might not have been on your list — but it probably should be.

Coming in at No. 23 on the list, Canada's National Holocaust Monument was recognized for both its striking design and emotional impact.

According to Time Out, this is one of the "most pleasing, fascinating and impressive buildings" on the planet, and when you take a closer look, it's easy to see why.



The monument — officially titled "Landscape of Loss, Memory and Survival" — was designed by world-renowned architect Daniel Libeskind.

It was created to honour the six million Jews murdered during the Holocaust, along with millions of other victims of Nazi persecution — and to recognize the resilience of survivors who built new lives in Canada.

Its structure is made up of six concrete and mesh triangles that form a Star of David when viewed from above.



One plane rises toward the future, while another descends into a reflective space featuring photo murals and raw concrete walls. The entire design tells a story of suffering, survival and resilience.

The space isn't just symbolic — it's also massive, with room for 1,000 people to gather. Murals by Canadian photographer Edward Burtynsky are embedded in the walls using a photo-transfer technique that ensures they'll last for generations.



Landscape architect Claude Cormier surrounded the monument with a Boreal forest-inspired setting that changes with the seasons, meant to represent the survivors who made new lives in Canada.

The timing of this recognition is significant. Earlier this month, the monument was defaced in what was described as a "hate-motivated incident" by the Ottawa Police Service. The words "FEED ME" were painted in large red letters across the monument's facade. A city lawyer has since been charged in connection with the incident, and community leaders — including the prime minister — condemned the act as antisemitic and unacceptable.

Still, the monument stands as a reminder of what it was built to honour — and protect. In a year when acts of hate are on the rise globally, it's especially powerful to see a place built to preserve memory recognized as one of the world's most beautiful buildings.



Time Out's list spans ancient wonders and modern masterpieces alike.

The Taj Mahal in India topped the list, followed by Iceland's rocket-shaped Hallgrímskirkja and the iconic Pyramids of Giza.

The Canadian monument stood out for its deeply moving purpose — and for proving that beauty can be found not just in form, but in meaning.
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