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Old Posted May 12, 2025, 10:54 AM
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I believe that the federal government has the ability to play a large role in deciding AC routes/frequency in Atlantic Canada. Not necessarily through subsidies.
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Another Queen of the Skies at YQM this weekend:



This time Atlas Air bound for Anchorage, on to China with a belly full of lobster.

The lobster flights dried up for a time after the institution of tariffs by the Chinese. I am glad to see the flights resume. This is on top of a new air freighter service to Belgium.

It could be a busy year for super heavies at YQM.
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Not sure what you mean by "government support"? I know there are subsidies for for airlines to service northern and remote communities but other than that........?

Already having flights to YYZ, YUL, YHU and YHZ I hardly think Saint John would qualify for any kind of financial subsidy for increased service.
There's all kinds of subsidies that provincial governments invest in to entice airlines to open new routes. Subsidies are probably what would be needed to get any transatlantic routes for New Brunswick's airports.

Government subsidizes all sorts of industries, like the oil & gas industry, so why not subsidize a semi related industry? Also, New Brunswick already makes more jet fuel than any other province. Maybe we can shift the subsidization a bit from the jet fuel producers and towards the jet fuel consumers.
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Another Queen of the Skies at YQM this weekend:



This time Atlas Air bound for Anchorage, on to China with a belly full of lobster.

The lobster flights dried up for a time after the institution of tariffs by the Chinese. I am glad to see the flights resume. This is on top of a new air freighter service to Belgium.

It could be a busy year for super heavies at YQM.
Is that a salmon colour livery or just the sunrise?
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Is that a salmon colour livery or just the sunrise?
The plane is all white (nicknamed "the Ghost."} This was a sunset photo.
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I think the best thing for YSJ (and YFC) growth is to encourage overall growth in their respective cities. The more people we have in those cities, with their associated industrial/commercial/government/military demands, the bigger the demand and use of a local airport to service those needs will be. (and the less patience there will be to do a 90 minute drive to YQM to satisfy those needs)
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Air Canada flights from Halifax to Nassau & Montego Bay.

https://www.aircanada.com/media/air-cana...ions-13-new-routes-and-16-more-capacity/
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I think the best thing for YSJ (and YFC) growth is to encourage overall growth in their respective cities. The more people we have in those cities, with their associated industrial/commercial/government/military demands, the bigger the demand and use of a local airport to service those needs will be. (and the less patience there will be to do a 90 minute drive to YQM to satisfy those needs)
Absolutely, and I still think it's garbage how badly Air Canada seems to treat YSJ, when Saint John hosts one of their largest call centres in the country.

For a while there, Flair was the only positive thing YSJ had going for it, despite them having a terrible reputation. I've even seen it described as an airline from hell but I think sometimes maybe airlines from hell are perfectly suited with airports from hell Okay a bit hyperbolic... but YSJ has a lot of room for improvement.

I was very skeptical about Pascan, especially when it was just the Halifax flight and the prices were outrageous... and remained skeptical about their Montreal flight based on the initial prices and the fact it goes to what is very much a secondary airport in Montreal. But since they announced the massive drop in prices, Pascan is definitely the best thing YSJ has going for it at the moment, and I'm hoping they can keep their prices competitive.

I've seen one way fares between YSJ and YUL cost $350-400+ Air Canada. I've also found ridiculous situations where you can book a route Saint John to Vancouver via Montreal that works out to cheaper price than the flight to Montreal on its own. I just don't get how that type of pricing model is possible or even legal. Airline pricing, especially regarding smaller markets, needs some fundamental changes and better regulation. Moreover, I think both the federal government and provincial governments need to do more to subsidize new routes to smaller centres.

I still think there's promise for the Saint John-Fredericton Airport idea, especially if both cities do what you suggest, and continue to focus on demographic growth. Though, I think the current situation with Holt as a Premier from Fredericton and Carney as Prime Minister with an agenda to build big projects is perhaps an especially good timing to pitch a major project that involves both Saint John and Fredericton.

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Another Queen of the Skies at YQM this weekend:



This time Atlas Air bound for Anchorage, on to China with a belly full of lobster.

The lobster flights dried up for a time after the institution of tariffs by the Chinese. I am glad to see the flights resume. This is on top of a new air freighter service to Belgium.

It could be a busy year for super heavies at YQM.
Absolutely stunning to see these planes on YQM. I'm really happy we have good freight on YQM on top of good passenger flights.
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Kalitta Air B-747 inbound today at 1730 hrs from Miami, presumably also on a lobster run to China.

That will be three 747s in the last week. Not bad!
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Kalitta Air B-747 inbound today at 1730 hrs from Miami, presumably also on a lobster run to China.

That will be three 747s in the last week. Not bad!
And I see the Belgian carrier ASL is back in tomorrow for another load of lobster off to Europe.

That'll be four jumbos in eight days!
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And I see the Belgian carrier ASL is back in tomorrow for another load of lobster off to Europe.

That'll be four jumbos in eight days!
Its actually 5 lobster flights in 8 days. Tomorrow will be ASL’s 3rd flight since last Wednesday plus Atlas and Kalitta each one trip! This has to be the busiest week for lobster flights ever?
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I believe that it's fairly clear that the Federal government has significant sway within Air Canada.

Good for YSJ, Air Canada is returning after an 8 year absence, replacing AC Jazz. This is certainly another positive sign for the region.
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MONTREAL, May 15, 2025 /CNW/ - Air Transat, voted the 2024 World's Best Leisure Airline by Skytrax, continues to enhance its winter program with the addition of three new departure points in Canada. Starting in winter 2025-2026, travellers from Windsor (YQG) will enjoy weekly flights to Punta Cana (PUJ), while those from Charlottetown (YYG) and Fredericton (YFC) will have access to a new route to Cancún (CUN).

"The addition of Windsor, Charlottetown and Fredericton to our winter flight program demonstrates our commitment to expanding our network in the Canadian market," said Sebastian Ponce, Transat's Chief Revenue Officer. "Thanks to optimized operations, we are strengthening our leadership position in Cancún and Punta Cana, while increasing our brand presence in Eastern Canada and Southern Ontario."

Departures from Windsor to Punta Cana will be offered every Friday from December 19, 2025, to April 10, 2026. Then, starting February 18, 2026, flights from Charlottetown and Fredericton to Cancún will be offered every Wednesday, until April 22, 2026.
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I believe that it's fairly clear that the Federal government has significant sway within Air Canada.

Good for YSJ, Air Canada is returning after an 8 year absence, replacing AC Jazz. This is certainly another positive sign for the region.
How did that influence work out when AC slashed a huge chunk of service in Atlantic Canada a few years back? I respectfully disagree with your assertion that the government has any say in ACs day to day operations.

Also, are you referring to Rouge or Jazz because Rouge is handling the YYZ flights and has for a while i believe.
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How did that influence work out when AC slashed a huge chunk of service in Atlantic Canada a few years back? I respectfully disagree with your assertion that the government has any say in ACs day to day operations.

Also, are you referring to Rouge or Jazz because Rouge is handling the YYZ flights and has for a while i believe.
I think you're making my point for me. When Covid happened, Air Canada slashed service nationally. The least influential Liberal MP in the country was Wayne Long and YSJ did not get their service returned. The federal government bailed out Air Canada, my belief is that comes with influence.

YSJ has been operated by AC Jazz staff for the last 8-9 years. YSJ is switching back to an AC operated airport, I assume in anticipation of some sort of growth. This is coming from an Air Canada employee who has always provided me with good info.
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Best leisure airline? Seriously? Weren't they the ones that stranded 100's of people all across the Caribbean and Mexico for nearly a week in some cases last winter?
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So, can we hope to get intercity Air Canada bus service now in New Brunswick? Or at least fund a better intra-provincial bus system that even tries to coordinate and be a transportation option for intercity air travel?



If YQM, YFC, and YSJ were connected by an airport bus system, it would greatly enhance the connectivity of the three cities, and it would eliminate the conundrum of relying on friends and family to drive you to an airport in another city, or having to deal with parking in another city. The annoyance of flying out of a different city for a cheaper fair, is all too common in New Brunswick, and there's just not a lot of good options to get to another city for a flight, other than driving yourself or relying on someone else to drive you. An airport bus service would fix this.


YQM would be the central terminus of this system, of course.

With multiple busses going in opposite directions on this route, people from outside of Greater of Moncton may never have to drive or ask for a ride to YQM again, and it could also be an option to get to the airport instead of taking a cab for people in all three cities. Moreover, with high ridership, it could result in a pretty significant reduction in carbon emissions, and if electric busses were eventually utilized, the emissions reductions would go even further.

We may never see the return of passenger rail service between Saint John and Moncton in our life times, even though the tracks still exist, and it is possible. Improved bus service is just a lot more realistic of a goal to work towards, since the costs of running a bus service are substantially lower than the costs associated with passenger rail service.

For people in Saint John, having this type of bus service would greatly lessen the annoyance of flying out of Fredericton or Moncton, which people in the Saint John region are disproportionately faced with, when booking flights, but the service would still be useful for people along the entirety of the bus route, as YFC and even YSJ can sometimes be the cheapest option.

Though, perhaps simply funding improvements in Maritime Bus service to run in better coordination within the three main airports would be the simplest way forward. Investing in a better bus service between communities along the North Shore and YQM could also be a good idea.

So even if we don't see an Air Canada bus service like they have in Southern Ontario , I do think Air Canada, West Jet, and other airlines would want to be involved in improving bus service between NB's main airports. Airlines are always interested in ways they can be involved with solutions to lower the carbon footprint associated with air travel, and, of course, it's good for their business if more customers are better connecting to their airports.

Basically, I figure if we're never going to see a return of passenger trains outside of the very limited VIA Ocean service in NB... we should at least be pushing for huge improvements in the intra-provincial bus system, which will ultimately be a benefit to the benefit to NB's airports and the airlines that operate out of them.

The federal government should also be looking at ways to better fund interprovincial bus travel... but that's a whole other discussion... as I'm sure NB's airport authorities might not be so happy if it becomes more convenient and more affordable to take a bus to Montreal or Halifax to catch a flight. Regardless, it improving interprovincial bus services is exactly the type of nation building project that the Prime Minister is talking about which would quite literally help us get down the road towards creating, "one Canadian economy", a file that Minister Leblanc is in charge of.

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Saint John is actually offering some super attractive prices with Flair and Pascan right now for middle of summer!

Montreal (YHU) for $251 Return with Pascan
Toronto (YYZ) for $289 Return with Flair

These are like 2015 seat sale prices!!!

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Saint John is actually offering some super attractive prices with Flair and Pascan right now for middle of summer!

Montreal (YHU) for $251 Return with Pascan
Toronto (YYZ) for $289 Return with Flair

These are like 2015 seat sale prices!!!
Yeah, these fares could actually be enough for people from Fredericton and even Moncton to come to Saint John for that Montreal flight. I hope Pascan can maintain this competitive price point to Montreal, as Air Canada seems to especially overcharge on their routes between New Brunswick airports and Montreal.

Also, that free carry on bag AND one free checked bag with Pascan is pretty huge, because with Flair, it's more than $100 extra for carry on and/or checked luggage, each way. Which makes a trip to Montreal on Pascan with luggage more than $200 cheaper than a trip to Toronto on Flair with checked luggage or even just carry on.

I've especially found on long haul routes with Air Canada where you gotta connect in Montreal or Toronto anyways, the prices between the three main NB airports are incredibly similar, as AC seems to basically throw in the connection to Toronto or Montreal at the same, highly discounted rate. It's domestic AC routes where Moncton and Fredericton seem to have the biggest pricing advantage compared to Saint John, but even then, YSJ is sometimes the cheaper option of the three. Airline pricing is ridiculous, and consumers deserve a marketplace with far better regulation.

Hopefully, the official return of "full fledged" Air Canada operations to YSJ will mean fares further equalizing with those of YFC and YQM.

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