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[ChiND]

I suspect that Related had discussions with possible office tenants, and none were interested. I'd rather work on Madison or Park than in the HY. If an iconic office design were in the works, I'd be disappointed, but what was shown was nothing great (though it wasn't as lousy as Foster's Miami Citadel tower, which is utterly horrible).

[ssh]

This is a better proposal skyscraper/skyline wise imo, but why would it not be built NYGuy? Wouldn't the Wynn make it financially viable?

Edit: Misread the comment, didn't realize you said wouldn't be built *all at once*, which definitely would be the case due to these useless luxury apartments.

[Crawford]

I'm fine with this, as long as it increases the likelihood of approval. NYC does need housing. If there's future interest in corporate towers around Hudson Yards, there are still sites for jumbo supertalls.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by NYguy

BTW, the whole purpose of redeveloping the area isn’t just so a 400 meter tower can rise.

I know but it would still be cool, if someone does want to build one though Empire Station or PABT could be it.

[ChiND]

There used to be a site for Wynn New York, but it seems that it was removed.

I cared most about the casino tower/hotel, the original residential tower, and the park, all of which look amazing. The office tower was one of Foster's duds, like 50 HY, though not as terrible as Citadel Miami, which is absurd.

Also, I'd rather see no competition for 175 HY. I hope that BP's and Moinian's fat HY dud and Related's proposed box in the HY are also switched to residential. The HY should become more of a residential area.

This looks amazing.




https://www.hudsonyardswest.com

[voyager8907]

I actually think it looks a lot better by adding some more height variation

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by BK1985

Oh Hmm, I stupidly assumed the additional units were "affordable".

That's another maddening thing about it. These people weren't even asking for more affordable units, even as Related specifically told them that the units they were asking for would be the luxury condos.

Originally Posted by DCReid

I actually like the revised proposal better. But maybe one consolation will be that some of the other office proposals next to HY will be built sooner and maybe will be even taller, like 70 HY.

I actually wish Related could get the 3 Hudson Yards site. Then we would finally see that one rise.

Originally Posted by ChiND

I suspect that Related had discussions with possible office tenants, and none were interested.

A foolish assumption.

Originally Posted by Crawford

I'm fine with this, as long as it increases the likelihood of approval. NYC does need housing. If there's future interest in corporate towers around Hudson Yards, there are still sites for jumbo supertalls.

Again, NYC doesn't need more luxury housing. I'm not against the housing, but those people insisting that the city needs the housing are not speaking for the vast majority of the city. The city needs affordable housing. All you need to know about the Hudson Yards at this point is this:


https://www.propertyshark.com/Real-E...neighborhoods/

Top 50 Most Expensive NYC Neighborhoods Q1 2025:

$5.4M Hudson Yards remains #1 most expensive NYC neighborhood, even as home prices dip 11% amid sales surge

It's important to keep in mind that the casino approval process hasn't even begun yet (it will start this summer), and that's when the real rounds of approval begin, where the proposals still can be sent back to the drawing boards for revisions. Thank the governor for this waste of time, but that's how it is.

But the thing they will be looking at the most is economic development. I'm not sure this new financing method puts this proposal in a stronger position. Also, Related will most certainly not be able to put 4,000 condo units on the market at once. They have had trouble moving the units they have built there in the past (which is the reason they shifted away from the resi plan in the first place).

As for the NIMBYS claim that the development will harm the High Line, I don't see how this changes the argument, stupid as it may be. There really isn't much difference, save for an extra tower.

[ChiND]

There’s a huge demand for luxury condos in NY — just not here. This is still an area in development and an isolated one too. 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th Avenues are basically highways for trucks. This whole area needs a serious road diet and more greenery like Field Operations plans for Fifth.

[Crawford]

If I had $5 million+ to spend on a condo, I'm not spending it in HY. Maybe one day, but not now. The average condo prices are so high bc there's nothing but super luxury new construction in that area.

The point is to get Phase II approved and moving forward with platform. If this moves things forward, I'm for it. If there's a demand for HY office supertalls, they'll get built.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by Crawford

If I had $5 million+ to spend on a condo, I'm not spending it in HY. Maybe one day, but not now. The average condo prices are so high bc there's nothing but super luxury new construction in that area.

The point is to get Phase II approved and moving forward with platform. If this moves things forward, I'm for it. If there's a demand for HY office supertalls, they'll get built.

I completely agree.

[TKD]

Originally Posted by ChiND

There used to be a site for Wynn New York, but it seems that it was removed.

I cared most about the casino tower/hotel, the original residential tower, and the park, all of which look amazing. The office tower was one of Foster's duds, like 50 HY, though not as terrible as Citadel Miami, which is absurd.

It's already been mentioned several times mostly by NYguy that the entire Phase II complex is veing designed by SOM, F+P did not have any part in any of the buildings.

[ChiND]

I look forward to this.


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[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

There’s a huge demand for luxury condos in NY — just not here. This is still an area in development and an isolated one too. 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th Avenues are basically highways for trucks. This whole area needs a serious road diet and more greenery like Field Operations plans for Fifth.

Condos are in demand, but it's very localized. (Affordable units are more in demand citywide). No one is building 4,000 condos, that have to be sold. Related went into this with the idea that the second phase of developments, the condos, would carry the entire development. That turned out not to be the case. Things are further complicated by the fact that the MTA insists that the current approved plan is unworkable for the railyards. It's why there will now be a podium structure with or without the casino. One way or another, the plan has to be altered.

These people demanding the housing be built out of need are the same people trying to restrict the amount of housing being built in the surrounding area. Let that sink in. They only demand more housing as an alternative to whatever is being proposed, both here and at the Penn redevelopment sites. Yet as the city is trying to get more housing built in the greater surrounding area, these community boards are trying to restrict it. You can't take anything they say seriously, and they get absoulutely zero sympathy from me.

[ChiND]

I think that affordable housing demands in Manhattan are ridiculous. No one has a right to live in one of the most expensive areas in the world. They should build tons of housing in the Bronx and lousy areas of Brooklyn, Queens, and SI. Huge infusions of new housing would help to revive those areas too.

[BK1985]

Originally Posted by ChiND

I think that affordable housing demands in Manhattan are ridiculous. No one has a right to live in one of the most expensive areas in the world. They should build tons of housing in the Bronx and lousy areas of Brooklyn, Queens, and SI. Huge infusions of new housing would help to revive those areas too.

There should be hundreds of thousands of affordable housing units built every where in every corner of the city. And yes that includes Manhattan.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by BK1985

There should be hundreds of thousands of affordable housing units built every where in every corner of the city. And yes that includes Manhattan.

I disagree, but I respect your opinion.

[NYguy]

Well, the railyards is a state owned property, meaning the people. So I don’t find it outrageous to ask for some affordable housing. But lets compare Related’s 4,000 units with 325 units of affordable housing to the Con Ed site proposal:

The proposal includes 1,325 apartments, with more than 500 of them slated to be permanently affordable.

That’s more than a third of the units that would be dedicated to affordable housingon private property. I’m someone who doesn’t think you have a right to affordable housing everywhere, but if you are going to do it, public land would be best. Still, there are a lot if factors that go into it.

[NYguy]

We haven't discussed it much, but I think we should keep in mind the alternative scenario - the one without the casino license.

[NYguy]

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[NYguy]

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...e-city-council

Related pleads its casino rezoning case at City Council


NICK GARBER
April 29, 2025

The Related Cos. begged the City Council on Tuesday to approve the zoning changes and payment scheme it needs to build a casino complex at Hudson Yards, urging lawmakers to give their $12 billion megaproject a chance and look past opposition from the managers of the High Line.

Tuesday’s hearing was the last formal chance for the project’s supporters and foes to influence lawmakers before they vote on Related’s proposal by early June. Rejecting it would likely bar the developer from even competing in the next phase, a state-led process to award up to three downstate casino licenses later this year. Related says a rejection would also foreclose the possibility of building anything on the 13-acre Western Rail Yards to the west of Hudson Yards.

“Our proposal is to transform that empty rail yard into a vibrant, connected part of the community,” Related CEO Jeff Blau told lawmakers. “Without a change here, this site will remain an undeveloped rail yard.”

Related is proposing to build a five-story casino with a 1,200-foot hotel tower on top; three apartment towers containing up to 4,000 apartments; and 6 acres of public open space. The developer needs council approval because it is trying to change the terms of a 2009 rezoning that called for six shorter buildings containing 5,800 homes. The change is controversial and has sparked opposition from the local community board, the Manhattan borough president and the nonprofit Friends of the High Line.

The project’s fate is now in the hands of the local councilman, Erik Bottcher, who gave no clear sign of where he stands during Tuesday’s hearing. Bottcher sounded skeptical of Related’s request to change the 2009 rezoning — which he said was “shaped by years of hard work and negotiation” — but he said Related had explained to him that that plan does not “pencil out” financially today.

“This is not just another land-use application,” Bottcher said. “This is a decision about one of the most valuable parcels of land in New York City and therefore one of the most valuable in the world.”

Indeed, Related is also asking the council to approve a new plan to pay for the project that would let the developer make payments in lieu of taxes in exchange for lower property taxes. Related released that plan just days ago, saying it would be the only way to pay for the 2,500 new housing units it added to its proposal in a last-minute effort to placate neighborhood opponents. Those two new residential towers replace a more lucrative office tower that would have financed much of the project, and Related says the PILOT plan will be required to build on the Western Rail Yards whether or not it gets a casino license.

Without the PILOT plan, Related would face about a $3 billion shortfall if it had to pay for the 4,000 homes and platform atop the railyards, Blau testified Tuesday.

The hearing showcased the rift that has emerged between the High Line and Related, which formerly had a warm relationship; Related donated more than $1 million to the group. Blau said his company had met with the High Line more than 10 times to try to resolve their concerns until “they no longer wanted to engage with us,” including after the developer added housing at the community’s request.

“I find it interesting that the High Line still opposes this — really showing their true colors, that this is really about NIMBY,” Blau said. “They don't want anything built here, and that would be a great loss to New York City.”