Canadian Federal Election

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

The CPC's view is that once Canada is de-wokified, everybody will prosper.

Or, in more reasonable terms, focus on issues that truly matter that would benefit the lives of all Canadians, instead of focusing on issues that are relatively minor that unjustifiably turn into major social issues when constant unwarranted attention is spent on them.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Or, in more reasonable terms, focus on issues that truly matter that would benefit the lives of all Canadians, instead of focusing on issues that are relatively minor that unjustifiably turn into major social issues when constant unwarranted attention is spent on them.

PP's entire raison d'être was elimination of the consumer carbon tax. It's gone now. Is your life noticeably better?

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

PP's entire raison d'être was elimination of the consumer carbon tax. It's gone now. Is your life noticeably better?

Judging by the price at the pump alone, yes, it is.

You?

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

Judging by the price at the pump alone, yes, it is.

You?

I drive an EV, so nothing at the pump. I also haven't seen the prices of anything delivered change.

Anyway, this link shows gas in Vancouver is higher than it was in November:

https://ycharts.com/indicators/vancouver...asoline_at_self_service_filling_stations

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

What does "eliminating wokeness" even mean? It's such an empty phrase, just come out and say "we don't want brown people or women to be in positions of power" instead.

Direct federal responsibility would include eliminating rampant discrimination in federal hiring and contracting. Using Federal funds for Universities to eliminate it there. Though I don't a lot of the Conservative core voters are worried about civil service promotions or social science grants. In Trump's America there was also a clear corporate culture change so those against wokeness were clearly rewarded for their vote. It's not clear if that would happen also in Canada. I suspect not. The charter protects the right to discriminate in favor of equity groups. An election last fall with 200 Conservative seats likely would have seen a see change but a Conservative minority limping to power now is going to focus on tax cuts and making peace on a lot of other issues.

[Djeffery]

Gas is as much now in London as it was the day Carney took office. Then it went up until the carbon tax came off, then it slightly dropped, then it went down quite a bit and now it's back up again. Of course, the "summer gas" scam is kicking in now so the prices are on the way up.

[MolsonExport]

funny how that goes, eh? Carbon tax gone, but prices are back up, despite a glut of crude in the world markets.

Must be Trudeau's fault somehow.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

funny how that goes, eh? Carbon tax gone, but prices are back up, despite a glut of crude in the world markets.

Must be Trudeau's fault somehow.

Gas is down quite a bit in Moncton, about $1.35 per litre. It would likely have been 30 cents higher if the carbon tax was still in effect,

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Direct federal responsibility would include eliminating rampant discrimination in federal hiring and contracting.

Do you have links to any studies highlighting this "rampant discrimination"?

In Trump's America there was also a clear corporate culture change so those against wokeness were clearly rewarded for their vote.

After Target announced they were cutting their DEI programs, they were boycotted by numerous groups. Their foot traffic was down year-over-year by 9.5% in February, down 7.9% during the week of March 31, and their stock price dropped from $142 at the end of January to $94 on April 14, their lowest point in five years.

Is that an example of being "clearly rewarded"?

It's not clear if that would happen also in Canada. I suspect not. The charter protects the right to discriminate in favor of equity groups.

You do recognize why the charter has this equity clause in it, yes?

[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Gas is as much now in London as it was the day Carney took office. Then it went up until the carbon tax came off, then it slightly dropped, then it went down quite a bit and now it's back up again. Of course, the "summer gas" scam is kicking in now so the prices are on the way up.

Another reason why we need a national pipeline that doesn't route through the US, so that Ontarians don't have to be subject to the whims of US import prices.

[casper]

Originally Posted by bodaggin

Houses are priced in dollars.
Dollars are priced in houses.

If you increase the supply of houses, its price falls in terms of dollars.
If you increase the supply of dollars, its price falls in terms of houses.

That is, each dollar buys less house.

An increase in the supply of dollars is why ALL Canadian prices are up.

I think economists general view is Quantitative easing (QE) can under certain conditions cause inflation when it is greater than the degree the economy grows.

Most economists also believe if an economy is growing and you don't do QE, you also cause inflation. Yes, you need to print money to avoid inflation.

Did the bank overdue it 2 years ago? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by bodaggin

Supply and demand laws apply to the supply of currency too. Which you cannot seem to understand.

No one is saying that currency doesn’t play a role. They’re just arguing against how you inflate that role and give it preeminence when it’s just one factor in a highly complex system. Your overly simplistic explanations cannot overcome this no matter how much enthusiasm and determination you apply.

[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by casper

Most economists also believe if an economy is growing and you don't do QE, you also cause inflation.

QE is supposed to be an emergency lever if all things go south. It's not a miracle drug. Why they hell would you do QE when the economy is growing?

The way you're describing it, QE is like fentanyl, and the global economy is addicted to it.

Yes, you need to print money to avoid inflation..

Which school of economics came up with this consensus?

[bodaggin]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

They’re just arguing against how you inflate that role and give it preeminence when it’s just one factor in a highly complex system.

Because money supply expansion is the pre-eminent cause.

That's why all prices went up. If there was a microeconomic housing crisis, then food prices wouldn't have spiked in tandem. All prices are up. Because the leading cause was a macroeconomic currency issue. Not a micro sector specific issue.

This matters. Because the response to the last crisis is what caused the current crisis.

And what is the response to the current, man-made crisis in party platforms? The same response as the last one! Which will create a future affordability crisis down the road.

[NotToScale]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I drive an EV, so nothing at the pump. I also haven't seen the prices of anything delivered change.

Anyway, this link shows gas in Vancouver is higher than it was in November:

https://ycharts.com/indicators/vancouver...asoline_at_self_service_filling_stations

That chart stops just before the pause on the carbon tax. It is not current.....I got gas in Vancouver for $1.41/L yesterday... A 40cent drop is huge.... So yes, the full elimination of the tax would help significantly.

[elly63]

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I agree with Chantal when she said "I think this will be a lousy time to govern, this will get you kicked out of government in 2-4 years there is no fun here. There isn't going to be any rainbows and unicorns, it's going to be bad and maybe whoever wins, or their party, will rue the day they won this election"

I posted about this before so I'm not coming to this now and this isn't just my partisan bias, I think Carney will win and I think it won't be long where there will be a quick shift where people will just hate his guts. I don't like what I think are his ideologies that I think he's put on the back burner but at present I like the man. The Conservatives just might be dodging a bullet here and don't know it. They could have a few years and be gone themselves.

[ssiguy]

I don't think PP is going to lose his seat. Yes, it's in Ottawa but very much is the far away exurban/rural part of the huge "City" of Ottawa.

When PP loses this election, I do NOT think that the Party will ask him to step down. Let's be serious, he is still going to be getting about 37% of the vote which in any other election would be a majority gov't. Also, while PP isn't well liked by most, much of his and the Tories decline was beyond their control and had little to do with PP himself. In fact, the Tories were at about 41% and now being "down" to 37% is hardly much of a drop. The Tories have been hit by 4 unforeseen events that they can do nothing about........Trudeau's resignation, Carney as his replacement, the plunge in NDP and, to a lesser extent, the Bloc support, and of course Trump and his annexation threats. Trump has also allowed the Liberals to focus solely on leadership and the threats from him distracting from a decade of truly disastrous Trudeau reign.

In other words, the Tories really won't have a valid reason as to why he should step down. That said, I think he will voluntarily do so. After 2 years of expecting to be our next PM and everyone else thinking the same, to be held to Leader of the Opposition for at least another 4 years, wouldn't be very personally appealing.

Luckily, Singh is most certainly on his way out but his pension is now secure and and all he had to do to get it was to sacrifice the Party. If he had worked with the Tories & Bloc to pull down the gov't after he ripped up his partnership with Trudeau, we wouldn't be having this conversation and he had plenty of opportunities to do so. The NDP would have gained many seats and potentially become the Official Opposition. They could have struck while the iron was hot and become a truly national Party with representative from all across the country. Alas, he choose not to and now the NDP's potential gains have turned the Party into barely being an also-ran and is about to lose Official Party status. The NDP are getting what they justly deserve.

[Taeolas]

I'm sure Carney is going into this with his eyes fully open. He knows he's coming in as a PM that is going to have to make some very hard decisions and pick fights that will make a lot of people unhappy.

Considering he's coming in at the end of a 10 year Liberal reign already, he should be well aware he's leading a party on borrowed time, so he should make the most of it. Make the hard choices someone who cares about reelection might otherwise dodge, and do his best to clean things up in general for the future.

In '29, he'll be given the boot; that's a given Hopefully the CPC will have regained a bit of sanity so their tenure won't be too bad, and the NDP have rebounded enough to be a valid safe haven and counterbalance to the Tories.

As for PP; I'm positive his days are numbered, even if he wins his seat. Failure is not acceptable for the Big-2 parties, and PP will have been in charge during the biggest CPC failure since they collapsed to 2 seats. Hopefully they take some lessons from this, to be somewhat less on the attack and to better promote their policies in general while tacking a bit more towards the centre. Their Alberta/SK wing will be an anchor pulling them down though so that will be rough.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

I don't think PP is going to lose his seat. Yes, it's in Ottawa but very much is the far away exurban/rural part of the huge "City" of Ottawa.

When PP loses this election, I do NOT think that the Party will ask him to step down. Let's be serious, he is still going to be getting about 37% of the vote which in any other election would be a majority gov't. Also, while PP isn't well liked by most, much of his and the Tories decline was beyond their control and had little to do with PP himself. In fact, the Tories were at about 41% and now being "down" to 37% is hardly much of a drop. The Tories have been hit by 4 unforeseen events that they can do nothing about........Trudeau's resignation, Carney as his replacement, the plunge in NDP and, to a lesser extent, the Bloc support, and of course Trump and his annexation threats. Trump has also allowed the Liberals to focus solely on leadership and the threats from him distracting from a decade of truly disastrous Trudeau reign.

In other words, the Tories really won't have a valid reason as to why he should step down. That said, I think he will voluntarily do so. After 2 years of expecting to be our next PM and everyone else thinking the same, to be held to Leader of the Opposition for at least another 4 years, wouldn't be very personally appealing.

Luckily, Singh is most certainly on his way out but his pension is now secure and and all he had to do to get it was to sacrifice the Party. If he had worked with the Tories & Bloc to pull down the gov't after he ripped up his partnership with Trudeau, we wouldn't be having this conversation and he had plenty of opportunities to do so. The NDP would have gained many seats and potentially become the Official Opposition. They could have struck while the iron was hot and become a truly national Party with representative from all across the country. Alas, he choose not to and now the NDP's potential gains have turned the Party into barely being an also-ran and is about to lose Official Party status. The NDP are getting what they justly deserve.

Totally agree with this

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

I don't think PP is going to lose his seat. Yes, it's in Ottawa but very much is the far away exurban/rural part of the huge "City" of Ottawa.

When PP loses this election, I do NOT think that the Party will ask him to step down. Let's be serious, he is still going to be getting about 37% of the vote which in any other election would be a majority gov't. Also, while PP isn't well liked by most, much of his and the Tories decline was beyond their control and had little to do with PP himself. In fact, the Tories were at about 41% and now being "down" to 37% is hardly much of a drop. The Tories have been hit by 4 unforeseen events that they can do nothing about........Trudeau's resignation, Carney as his replacement, the plunge in NDP and, to a lesser extent, the Bloc support, and of course Trump and his annexation threats. Trump has also allowed the Liberals to focus solely on leadership and the threats from him distracting from a decade of truly disastrous Trudeau reign.

In other words, the Tories really won't have a valid reason as to why he should step down. That said, I think he will voluntarily do so. After 2 years of expecting to be our next PM and everyone else thinking the same, to be held to Leader of the Opposition for at least another 4 years, wouldn't be very personally appealing.

Luckily, Singh is most certainly on his way out but his pension is now secure and and all he had to do to get it was to sacrifice the Party. If he had worked with the Tories & Bloc to pull down the gov't after he ripped up his partnership with Trudeau, we wouldn't be having this conversation and he had plenty of opportunities to do so. The NDP would have gained many seats and potentially become the Official Opposition. They could have struck while the iron was hot and become a truly national Party with representative from all across the country. Alas, he choose not to and now the NDP's potential gains have turned the Party into barely being an also-ran and is about to lose Official Party status. The NDP are getting what they justly deserve.

On the news last night Tom Mulcair also thought Poilievre would keep his position as party leader even if he lost the election and maybe even his seat.

Mulcair also somewhat gleefully speculated that Singh could lose his seat as well.