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Old Posted Mar 31, 2025, 12:54 AM
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They should never have closed the Base in churchill to begin with.
At least the airport has been maintained enough that they could open an air base there with no changes to the airport. It was repaved about 5 years ago and is 9200' long. It's the second longest runway in the province
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2025, 2:28 PM
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At least the airport has been maintained enough that they could open an air base there with no changes to the airport. It was repaved about 5 years ago and is 9200' long. It's the second longest runway in the province
There was a false rumor floating around when the NASA space shuttles first launched that Churchill was going to be an emergency landing strip if they had to abort a test flight.

Unfortunately there was never any NASA space shuttle recovery teams or equipment ever sent there when a test flight happened to make that story. true
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2025, 10:44 PM
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At least the airport has been maintained enough that they could open an air base there with no changes to the airport. It was repaved about 5 years ago and is 9200' long. It's the second longest runway in the province
That's crazy, didn't realize this. They don't even have the full runway open either. There's an extra 1,900' of existing concrete on the north end that was abandoned. If it was was repaved, Churchill would be the 6th longest runway in Canada at 11,350'. Even longer than Pearson! Plus, there are nice natural rock outcroppings right nearby for bunker building.

Ya, Churchill needs to be a base. Definitely.
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There was a false rumor floating around when the NASA space shuttles first launched that Churchill was going to be an emergency landing strip if they had to abort a test flight.

Unfortunately there was never any NASA space shuttle recovery teams or equipment ever sent there when a test flight happened to make that story. true
Even if Churchill was a designated emergency landing strip, no equipment would be there anyway unless dispatched under emergency situations, because NASA would have assigned designated landing sites for Shuttles, and would ideally want them to land on US soil, preferably an air base, preferably at the same place where it launched.

Churchill would be "very low" on the list of emergency landing sites, because assuming they actually launched polar orbit missions from Vandenberg AFB in California, the launch trajectory for shuttle launches at Vandenberg was in the southerly direction, anywhere between southwest, south, and southeast. Any abort landing sites would have been along the coast of Mexico, Central America, or even as far further south to South America as Trans-Pacific Landing sites for emergencies (KSC launches from Florida would have Trans-Atlantic Landing sites in Europe or Africa on standby). For re-entry, NASA has primary landing sites they can choose. From what I understand, if they launch at Vandenberg, they land in Vandenberg. Same with standard launches from KSC in Florida, where ideally they would want to land where they launched from. Churchill had a better, but still remote chance of being listed as an emergency landing site than say missions launched from KSC in Florida, where the launch trajectory can go anywhere from due east to northeast.

Of course, there were backup landing sites, and Edwards AFB in California is one of them, while the other is White Sands Space Harbor. Both were designated backup landing sites for KSC launches and Vandenberg launches.

They also had potential backup and emergency landing sites in Alaska, should they choose to have them there.

NASA and the USAF were actually several months away from launching the first mission, which was STS-62A, until the Challenger Disaster happened. Consequently, the USAF and NASA cancelled polar orbit Shuttle flights from Vandenberg, and we would never see anything launch from Vandenberg until they started launching Athena and Delta IV rockets there in the mid-to-late 90s.

This wiki article has a section of emergency landing sites for launches from the Kennedy Space Center. They were never used, but there are a few Canadian airports as designated emergency landing sites in Newfoundland and Nova Scotia. Obviously, Churchill is not listed, because it's too far west from KSC launch trajectories anyway.
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Picking up from Western Expresso Thread Hudson Bay talk:
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Pierre proposed Churchill as a Naval Base in his platform. He's reading our subs! lol
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^ way to go and get your platform released the day after advanced voting has finished.
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The public and private sector's desire for significant investments in northern ports and military bases will dissipate faster than the speed at which feasibility and costing studies can be done, never mind shovels hitting the ground.

I appreciate the attention these issues are getting, but there will be no significant investment (besides paying consultants to do studies) in Churchill or Port Nelson between now and 2029, especially if Democrats win the midterms in late 2026.

Everyone loves the idea of shiny new infrastructure in the north, but the public won't want to pay the associated tax bill and the private sector won't want to pay the shipping rates to Europe relative to Vancouver, Thunder Bay, Montreal, or Halifax.

Northern infrastructure investments (pipelines, ports, and military bases) are just political promises not made to be kept at this point, similar to electoral reform in 2015.
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^ way to go and get your platform released the day after advanced voting has finished.
Only had 7.3 million votes cast already.
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Here are Icebreaker Polar Class Ratings for reference:

PC1 - 10 feet+ ... Undefined. Thickest ice.
PC2 - 10 feet ..... (Arpatuuq)
PC3 - 8 feet ....... (Current CGCS Heaviest)
PC4 - 4 feet+
PC5 - 2-4 feet .... (Harry Dewolf)
PC6 - 2-4 feet .... (shoulder season)
PC7 - <2 feet

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_Class#Polar_Class_notations
Interesting. So basically Class 4 would do the trick.

If we don't supply LNG for two-three months of the year that is not a big deal. Most of the major countries in Europe make use of underground storage for natural gas. Typically there are old former gas fields or salt mines that. The current "crisis management" directives that are in place are the countries with storage are required to be 90% full by November and they share stored gas with neighboring countries that many be in need.

Storage happens in Canada as well. Fortis will store gas on Vancouver Island and near Metro Vancouver as backup should there be a pipeline issue or suden demand due to a cold snap.

The ice breaking is going to be significantly slower than normal open ocean so with a dedicated fleet there will be more deliveries in the summer and it will be a bit slower in the ice season.
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^ way to go and get your platform released the day after advanced voting has finished.
Party platforms are not worth the paper they are written on. They don't survive first contact with reality.
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MP for Churchill elevated to Minister of Northern Affairs and head of Arctic economic development...absolutely fantastic news for the Port.
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MP for Churchill elevated to Minister of Northern Affairs and head of Arctic economic development...absolutely fantastic news for the Port.
That's good news for the port and for other possible northern nation building projects like a transmission line to Nunavut.
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MP for Churchill elevated to Minister of Northern Affairs and head of Arctic economic development...absolutely fantastic news for the Port.
Were there any other Manitoba MPs given portfolios?
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Were there any other Manitoba MPs given portfolios?
None so far but the ceremony is still ongoing.
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