Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by ToxiK

I am not leaving because I am not a coward

Nice, but I'm afraid this will lead you nowhere if Trump is really intent on turning the US into a dictatorship and invading Canada, given the 'rapport the force' between the two countries.

Courage only matters if it has a chance to change the situation (as, for example, Résistance fighters during WW2 transmitting intelligence to the Allies or sabotaging vital rail lines), otherwise it's just foolish (unless you believe in those 60 or so virgins promised in Heaven).

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

^^Trying to sound like a smart ass but in fact sounding like someone with no clue whatsoever.

Yes, using peer-reviewed psychological research to make a point is being a “smart ass” and “having no clue.”

[New Brisavoine]

"Psychologie de comptoir", as we say here. You don't know me, and don't pretend you do.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

"Psychologie de comptoir", as we say here. You don't know me, and don't pretend you do.

The studies clearly support the idea that conservatives have a cognitive bias toward negative information. If you’re not a conservative, it doesn’t apply to you or perhaps you are an outlier. But from my perspective you do seem to focus on negative examples. Psychology is my area of study, so I don’t apply this haphazardly or without knowledge of its complexity. I am not “diagnosing” you, just pointing out something that explains why conservative and liberals tend to differ in their viewpoints.

Alternately, you could argue that liberals have a “positivity bias” which leads them to overly focus on the positive and ignore the negative.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

But from my perspective you do seem to focus on negative examples. Psychology is my area of study, so I don’t apply this haphazardly or without knowledge of its complexity. I am not “diagnosing” you, just pointing out something that explains why conservative and liberals tend to differ in their viewpoints.

Alternately, you could argue that liberals have a “positivity bias” which leads them to overly focus on the positive and ignore the negative.

It's like telling someone living in Sudan right now and describing the situation there: "boy, I think you focus too much on the negative examples". The gall!

And if you think Sudan is too extreme an example, take NYC 1980. It's like telling New Yorkers in 1980 complaining about their city: guys, you focus too much on the negative examples.

As for "liberals", even left-wing figures criticize the shabby state of Paris. Twitter is full of what would be called "liberals" in North America who bemoan what the city has become (not due to social-economic forces or the passing of time, but due to the active mismanagement by the ideologues running this city).

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

It's like telling someone living in Sudan right now and describing the situation there: "boy, I think you focus too much on the negative examples". The gall!

And if you think Sudan is too extreme an example, take NYC 1980. It's like telling New Yorkers in 1980 complaining about their city: guys, you focus too much on the negative examples.

As for "liberals", even left-wing figures criticize the shabby state of Paris. Twitter is full of what would be called "liberals" in North America who bemoan what the city has become (not due to social-economic forces or the passing of time, but due to the active mismanagement by the ideologues running this city).

Problems exist and some mindsets tend to exaggerate their severity. Psychological research supports that argument. That’s my main point. I am not talking about Sudan or New York in the 1980s. I’m happy to leave it at that.

[New Brisavoine]

Attack, and then retreat when faced with the idiocy of your attack. There's surely a name in psychology books to describe that too.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Attack, and then retreat when faced with the idiocy of your attack. There's surely a name in psychology books to describe that too.

Perhaps you could research it and get back to me. Have a nice day.

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Nice, but I'm afraid this will lead you nowhere if Trump is really intent on turning the US into a dictatorship and invading Canada, given the 'rapport the force' between the two countries.

Courage only matters if it has a chance to change the situation (as, for example, Résistance fighters during WW2 transmitting intelligence to the Allies or sabotaging vital rail lines), otherwise it's just foolish (unless you believe in those 60 or so virgins promised in Heaven).

What we would need to do if Trump invades is creating a second front in the U.S. by helping them to start their second civil war.

[New Brisavoine]

Trump is not invading anyway. He has too much golfing to do in Florida. He can't even bring an end to the Ukraine war in 100 days, so invading Canada... right!

But he'll certainly keep calling your PM "governor" until 2029.

[LeadingEdgeBoomer]

Originally Posted by ToxiK

What we would need to do if Trump invades is creating a second front in the U.S. by helping them to start their second civil war.

Then you should read what Prof Ahmed at the University of Toronto has said. He has studied insurgency for 20 years and is a consultant with the US military
on the subject.

He recently wrote that a US takeover of Canada would result in an insurgency that would last for decades.

You should be able to find what he has written by using Google.

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by LeadingEdgeBoomer

Then you should read what Prof Ahmed at the University of Toronto has said. He has studied insurgency for 20 years and is a consultant with the US military
on the subject.

He recently wrote that a US takeover of Canada would result in an insurgency that would last for decades.

You should be able to find what he has written by using Google.

I dont think I read what he wrote but I read an article about it. I'll try to find the original document.

[Sunnybrae]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Trump is not invading anyway. He has too much golfing to do in Florida. He can't even bring an end to the Ukraine war in 100 days, so invading Canada... right!

But he'll certainly keep calling your PM "governor" until 2029.

We will know anyways when the Americans will invade. Pete Hegseth will share it on the Signal App!

[MolsonExport]

[New Brisavoine]

It's fascinating how Québec has moved from being a super Catholic and religious place to being a place of non-believers.

This is the main page of Le Devoir. The death of Pope Francis is there on top as you would imagine, but not super prominent (and that choice of a picture... not very flattering...).



Compare this to newspapers in the very secular and republican France, which was long seen as 'godless' compared to the very Catholic Québec.

Right-wing Le Figaro:



Or left-wing Le Monde:



It's the number one and only top news, with very big prominence given to it.

Even the usually anti-papist Telegraph in the UK devotes all its main page to it:

[Kilgore Trout]

That's just one example. Here's La Presse and Le Journal de Montréal. Seems on par with every other publication elsewhere.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

Seems on par with every other publication elsewhere.

Not really. First of all it's not full width of the page, they have some commercial stuff to the right of the page (and you can't say "well, this is an Anglo-Saxon country..." because the Telegraph removed all its commercial stuff to devote full width to the pope's death). Also, I see non-pope stuff in your screenshots ("police", the turban of Jagmeet Singh...), whereas European newspapers devote the entire upper part of their main pages to the pope, with much more articles than in your examples.

It's just noticeable for a country like Québec, that's all. The death of Pie XII in the 1950s probably generated entire cover pages devoted to the news in the Québécois newspapers. But now Québec has moved to the other extreme. It's a bit sad. France was never super-Catholic like Québec, but it's not super-anti-religious like Québec today either. I prefer that. People here are very moved, it's our Latin side, even non-believers.

[New Brisavoine]

For example, just one example because I think what I'm seeing may be a bit hard to realize: watching the evening news now, the female anchor has just said (finally changing subject after many news stories about the pope): "On va parler football maintenant, parce que le football était aussi une passion du pape François."

[New Brisavoine]

For our Stockholm friend:



This feeling is very common among Parisians whenever they travel to other European capitals.

PS: #saccageParis is the hashtag to denounce the destruction of Paris by our current municipality.

[harls]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

It's fascinating how Québec has moved from being a super Catholic and religious place to being a place of non-believers.

It's fascinating that you are the only one really fascinated by all of this.