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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 3:11 PM
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I've always been of the opinion suburbs and bedroom communities are the worst of both worlds. I grew up on a farm in Springfield and had an amazing childhood/early adulthood. When my then girlfriend, now wife and I bought our house downtown it was a bit of a shock but the lifestyle is fantastic for where we are at professionally and entertainment-wise right now. For me the suburbs have none of the amenities of downtown like the restaurants, ease of transport, walkability, entertainment, etc but has none of the benefits of my rural origins, privacy, actual peace and quiet, wandering the property picking mushrooms, riflery in the backyard, skating on the creek, etc. Different strokes for different folks but I'd rather walk barefoot on glass than live somewhere like Bridgwater, Niverville or Oakbank haha. That's why when we can afford to we're building on our 40 acres to raise our future kids the way I was raised.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 3:35 PM
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It appears the development plans for Kildonan Place Mall have been revised. The linked document seems to indicate the removal of the previously planned food court and CRUs. Additionally, despite earlier speculation about incorporating transit into the mall's design, there's no mention of it in these revised plans.

https://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/dmis/Vie...onId=&InitUrl= (Item #7)
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 4:03 PM
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I've always been of the opinion suburbs and bedroom communities are the worst of both worlds. I grew up on a farm in Springfield and had an amazing childhood/early adulthood. When my then girlfriend, now wife and I bought our house downtown it was a bit of a shock but the lifestyle is fantastic for where we are at professionally and entertainment-wise right now. For me the suburbs have none of the amenities of downtown like the restaurants, ease of transport, walkability, entertainment, etc but has none of the benefits of my rural origins, privacy, actual peace and quiet, wandering the property picking mushrooms, riflery in the backyard, skating on the creek, etc. Different strokes for different folks but I'd rather walk barefoot on glass than live somewhere like Bridgwater, Niverville or Oakbank haha. That's why when we can afford to we're building on our 40 acres to raise our future kids the way I was raised.
I'd partially agree but I think there is a bit of nuance there. Some (not all) suburbs can offer close proximity to lots of amenities, some of which may be walkable or bikeable. For example, Linden Woods, Whyte Ridge, and Bridgwater-area are all really close to major retail along Kenaston and Wilkes, along with the rapid transit line. Compared to inner-city neighborhoods, suburbs can also offer higher quality greenspace. I'd rather go for a daily walk along the trail and lake systems in Linden Woods/Sage Creek/Bridgwater/Southdale/Island Lakes/Royalwood than the street grids of Wolseley and River Heights. Yard space and relatively newer builds can also be attractive for younger families. The trade off, of course, is being significantly more car dependent. I'd also argue there is a much smaller sense of community in suburbs. People are less connected, more busy, and more individual - neighborhoods in Charleswood may be an exception.

Bedroom communities are much worse in most cases. Long drives for anything more than your local co-op grocery store in exchange for more competitive house prices isn't a win unless the only thing you care about is living space. Plus car dependency is extreme - you absolutely must have a car at all times, otherwise you are hooped. No option for transit at all. All the negatives of living in a suburb without the added convenience, and no real benefits found living rurally compared to those on rural acreages like you describe. The upside here is, in my experience, the bedroom communities are a lot more tight-knit, especially compared to the city. There's a much greater sense of community and social cohesion in these areas, which can be a massive upside for a lot of people (or a downside to some). Raising children alone, far from family or other like-minded people can be isolating, so the bedroom communities tend to attract a lot of young people looking to start families due to lower house prices and more people in the same stage of life which makes it easier to connect and find supports.

I agree that living on a nicely treed and spacious rural acreage located near the city's periphery is the ideal living situation for a lot of prairie folk (i.e., a large lot in La Salle or Grande Pointe). Unfortunately you're looking at prices in excess of $1 million if that's your preference, which isn't attainable for a lot of people, especially young families.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 5:58 PM
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A grocery store at Polo Park would make sense if they ever go ahead with the plan to build residential. If there were connected or nearby residential buildings, a grocery store would be a nice amenity.
Do you mean something like a Safeway?
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 6:17 PM
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Do you mean something like a Safeway?
Haha, yes a Safeway, like they used to have. (or how about a Loblaws AND Dominion, for those old enough to remember)
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 6:22 PM
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There's a Safeway at Madison Square.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 6:42 PM
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depends where u are in life, personally i'm a 2-4 years a way from being an empty nester and probably 10 yrs away from being retired. Live in Norwood Flats and work downtown. my current commute is 10 min drive or 25 min walk. I've spent a good chunk of my weekends and a few weekday evening driving to Niverville (kid lives & plays hockey there) and I can tell you, it's really attractive to me to live there as I age. The community is wonderfully friendly, they have brand new schools, recreation and housing. yeah there no "nightlife" but at my age I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for fewer sirens & overall noise. A short 35 minute drive to City for some things. I'm also a cottage owner so i do get peace & quite out there. So maybe a nice Railside or StB condo would be a possibility too. theres a lot to be said about being part of a "community" it's good for mental health as we age, that is what I'm looking for

Vue Tache has got really nice condos. All concrete construction too. Good view of the city with a park across of it. I believe the last couple of hold outs on North Tache have sold and there will likely be river side condos being put up there eventually.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 6:42 PM
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There's a Safeway at Madison Square.
There's also a Save-On-Foods a 5 minute walk away.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 6:47 PM
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True. I mean, it could be any store, not just safeway. There's been one or even two grocery stores in that mall for nearly it's entire existence -- maybe it's time to open one again? I wonder if it was Safeway's decision to leave in the first place, or if PP booted them out?
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 7:16 PM
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True. I mean, it could be any store, not just safeway. There's been one or even two grocery stores in that mall for nearly it's entire existence -- maybe it's time to open one again? I wonder if it was Safeway's decision to leave in the first place, or if PP booted them out?
Possibly Safeway's decision. I think that was around the same time Sobey's & Safeway merged and they were probably downsizing with there being one in Madison Square, and also having one on Ellice & Wall Street.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 8:14 PM
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I truly regret moving when we were in our mid 30's from our "starter" home.

If I can give you any advice - if it is at all possible to make do where you are, or renovate to improve your situation - do it.

You waste SOOOO much money on a move that you could instead dump into your current house. Think about the realtor fees (even if you don't use one), moving fees, lawyers, etc. etc. It really adds up. And it's all throw away money.

We put ourselves back probably a decade in terms of paying off mortgages with our move to a bigger house. And if I had to do it all over again, I would have stayed put.
Derailing this thread a bit. We need to move. I've thought long and hard about what we could do to this house to suit our needs and it would basically be rebuilding the entire main floor (and it's only a bungalow) lmao.. and we already reno'd the kitchen and bathroom. We'll get our equity and find a new place. Paying a mortgage until retirement.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 8:16 PM
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If suburban neighborhoods are your style, there are plenty of sprawling neighborhoods in south-west Winnipeg that gives you close access to the park-and-ride lots on the BLUE rapid transit line. A five minute drive to a park and ride, then a 15 minute bus ride downtown on a line that is actually reliable and frequent beats paying $200/month for parking, especially considering the commute time via the BLUE line is roughly equal to (or sometimes less than) driving and parking.
No, not really. I'm currently in EK. And it's not super urban, but it's also not perimeter suburb type. What I want I don't think exists unless you have a lot of money. Single storey, 4 beds on main floor, near downtown. Doesn't have to be mint, but I dont want in run down either. That's what leads me to look at condos or other not detached places. But there's just nothing. And it needs to be as accessible as possible for my sons walker. Also why I don't want far flung, the accessible factor. And we need French schooling nearby. Not so easy even though all divisions have french programs.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 10:07 PM
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It appears the development plans for Kildonan Place Mall have been revised. The linked document seems to indicate the removal of the previously planned food court and CRUs. Additionally, despite earlier speculation about incorporating transit into the mall's design, there's no mention of it in these revised plans.

https://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/dmis/Vie...onId=&InitUrl= (Item #7)
The report doesn't say much. But it looks like they'll reconfigure the existing food court area and maybe replace it? Theres what appear to be a bunch of seating with a new food service area on the west side. They'll be removing the old theatre area and the 2 diagonal halls.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2025, 12:38 AM
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It appears the development plans for Kildonan Place Mall have been revised. The linked document seems to indicate the removal of the previously planned food court and CRUs. Additionally, despite earlier speculation about incorporating transit into the mall's design, there's no mention of it in these revised plans.

https://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/dmis/Vie...onId=&InitUrl= (Item #7)
From the plans, they are parking sports where the new food court suppose to be (Between the movie theatre and central court). The new food court will be just west of atrium. In addition KP is looking for some development on the NE corner of the mall.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2025, 12:40 AM
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Vue Tache has got really nice condos. All concrete construction too. Good view of the city with a park across of it. I believe the last couple of hold outs on North Tache have sold and there will likely be river side condos being put up there eventually.
yes we know someone in Vue Tache, that is a nice building, Streetside will be building another building in a few years nearby.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2025, 1:01 PM
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From the plans, they are parking sports where the new food court suppose to be (Between the movie theatre and central court). The new food court will be just west of atrium. In addition KP is looking for some development on the NE corner of the mall.
It's interesting that the submitted plans were changed after I posted about them. That likely explains why the title was updated to 'Revised Submitted Plans.' These new plans definitely look better than the version I saw previously.

These plans also show the proposed park and ride locations for transit. Unfortunately, the spots are nowhere near Regent for the FX3 line.

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Old Posted Apr 3, 2025, 1:40 PM
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I dont understand why the park and ride is so far from the bus loop. The old park and ride area was somewhat closer (where the new Candian tire expansion is going). Wy not put it out front along Regent? I think they were just putting it wherever the most under utilized parking spots were.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2025, 2:40 PM
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I wonder if it was Safeway's decision to leave in the first place, or if PP booted them out?
I don't have inside info but at the time it felt like CF may have given Safeway a large financial incentive to move to Madison Square. It would not be surprising to learn it was partly motivated by forcing Madison Square essentially out of the market.
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2025, 8:08 AM
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Do we know approximately how many new CRU"s Kildonan Place Mall will be adding in their proposal?
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2025, 1:14 PM
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They'll probably be decreasing units. The mall size is going down by 35k sq ft. It's mostly shuffling the food court and existing CRU's around.
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