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Old Posted Mar 30, 2025, 10:21 PM
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fully automated bus is not going to happen. The roads are a chaotic, uncontrolled environment. Too many variables to overcome.

Even Apple scrapped its FSD project after spending billions and a decade on it, because it is simply unfeasible.
i dont know why people talk like self driving vehicles will ever be a thing.

itll be about 10yrs since elon musk promised it to be available. the testing thats being done is not going great with any of the companies. and if the technology wasnt going great, you really think TransLink will want the liability when a self driving bus runs down someone?

buses are always going to have drivers in our lifetimes.
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2025, 10:34 PM
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i dont know why people talk like self driving vehicles will ever be a thing.

itll be about 10yrs since elon musk promised it to be available. the testing thats being done is not going great with any of the companies. and if the technology wasnt going great, you really think TransLink will want the liability when a self driving bus runs down someone?

buses are always going to have drivers in our lifetimes.
How many buses around the world run over people a year? I mean if autonomous buses equal that safety record then I doubt Translink would have a problem with the liability issue.
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2025, 1:47 AM
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How many buses around the world run over people a year? I mean if autonomous buses equal that safety record then I doubt Translink would have a problem with the liability issue.
if it was that easy to do, we would have some kind of self driving vehicle by now. 10yrs after the promise it would be doable, its still 2-3yrs away.

it wont happen. i cant believe people still fall for this self driving car fallacy. how many times will it take for you people to understand that 2-3yrs away, has been said for over a decade now.

its not going to happen.
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It’s like fusion, except even less likely.
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How many buses around the world run over people a year? I mean if autonomous buses equal that safety record then I doubt Translink would have a problem with the liability issue.
Could help out the rapidbus routes
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fully automated bus is not going to happen. The roads are a chaotic, uncontrolled environment. Too many variables to overcome.
I'm about as skeptical of autonomous vehicles as anyone, but the tech will arrive sooner or later and buses may well be among the first to benefit from it because their fixed-route nature is a big advantage in developing a workable solution. Also, the advanced sensors (LIDAR, RADAR, etc) which are most likely to result in tech that works well are a lot smaller percentage of the total cost of a bus than they are of a car.
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2025, 5:23 AM
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That said, any autonomous bus in the next few decades will likely be limited to ~30 km/h, dedicated lanes and a human attendant. By the time they can drive RapidBuses themselves, we'll have the money for SkyTrains instead.
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I'm about as skeptical of autonomous vehicles as anyone, but the tech will arrive sooner or later and buses may well be among the first to benefit from it because their fixed-route nature is a big advantage in developing a workable solution. Also, the advanced sensors (LIDAR, RADAR, etc) which are most likely to result in tech that works well are a lot smaller percentage of the total cost of a bus than they are of a car.
It already exists, and is very close to rollout in a number of cities. There have been Chinese trial systems since 2017. There are now fleets of autonomous buses operating at Level 4, and in some cases trialing Level 5 in at least four cities, although generally, still with an operator (doing nothing). Hamburg has an autonomous shuttle service that has been running for a while, and Berlin expects one to be operating in 2027. Stavanger in Norway has had a long term trial, and is expecting to go into normal service soon. Japan is trialing autonomous buses to overcome their labour shortage problem. Seoul is trialing an autonomous night bus service, and Singapore have trial service with two different systems.

There are autonomous transit options being tested in the US. California legislation requires an operator, even if they're not driving, but there are drverless shuttle systems already operating in Arizona and Florida. The Arizona example, operated by May Mobility, initially outside Phoenix, is using driverless minivans, specifically in areas where bus service isn't viable. Waymo are also offering a driverless service in Downtown Phoenix to a group of 'Trusted Testers', having been operating in suburban Chandler, Mesa, Tempe, and Gilbert since 2017, (not without the odd glitch, as you'd expect). In Florida there's a 500,000 sq ft manufacturing plant under construction for driverless shuttles to be built by HOLON, part of a European group, that will be operated by Beep, a Florida operator. That starts vehicle production in less than a year's time.

We're behind the curve here. There are cities in China that have had all battery electric fleets of thousands of vehicles - Shenzhen had 13,000 operating in 2018. They now have 20 driverless buses currently trialing 4 routes. Autonomous operations may follow here, eventually, once we've electrified fleets.
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Maybe we could make guideways for the automated buses. Put them up on pillars so they're not at the same grade as the streets so their trips are uninterrupted, and maybe you could bolt four or six of them together in some kind of train.
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That said, any autonomous bus in the next few decades will likely be limited to ~30 km/h, dedicated lanes and a human attendant. By the time they can drive RapidBuses themselves, we'll have the money for SkyTrains instead.
I'm not sure of the numbers, but I suspect that there are more vehicles and operators required for "last mile" routes than backbones - that's where autonomy will really revolutionize transit. Core transit routes are already a lot closer to breaking even than the local routes.
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Maybe turn the 5/6 into automated since it has a defined route

Correction: a well-defined route, and since it goes downtown it's probably gonna have a 30km/h average speed

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Old Posted Apr 1, 2025, 4:51 PM
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Maybe we can add drivers to all Skytrains to make them more safe.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 12:12 AM
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Maybe turn the 5/6 into automated since it has a defined route

Correction: a well-defined route, and since it goes downtown it's probably gonna have a 30km/h average speed
It would be a lot cheaper than streetcars. Probably going to have to close Davie and Robson to vehicles though.
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It would be a lot cheaper than streetcars. Probably going to have to close Davie and Robson to vehicles though.
Doesn't appear to be the worst with the current 1-way with construction at Robson-Bute. Lots of traffic using Alberni now tho, which has poor sightlines for turning cars / hills.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2025, 12:12 PM
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It would be a lot cheaper than streetcars. Probably going to have to close Davie and Robson to vehicles though.
Or local traffic only
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2025, 10:30 AM
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Feasibility Study for a new Metrotown Station bus exchange. https://portal.us.bn.cloud.ariba.com/discovery/public/rfx/22932972/preview
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Feasibility Study for a new Metrotown Station bus exchange. https://portal.us.bn.cloud.ariba.com/discovery/public/rfx/22932972/preview
Hmm I wonder if that means they still want to move the bus loop to Central / Beresford (which Burnaby previously shot down), or they want to redo the current loop, or they have something completely new planned?
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Hmm I wonder if that means they still want to move the bus loop to Central / Beresford (which Burnaby previously shot down), or they want to redo the current loop, or they have something completely new planned?
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TransLink is seeking an experienced and qualified firm to provide multi-disciplinary consulting services to complete the conceptual design, scoping, planning and initial costing of a new Metrotown bus exchange and BC Parkway
The fact that BC Parkway is included indicates that they're likely still considering something underneath the station itself.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2025, 6:31 PM
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Feasibility Study for a new Metrotown Station bus exchange. https://portal.us.bn.cloud.ariba.com/discovery/public/rfx/22932972/preview
My vapid ignorant guess: Is it possible they want to move the Metrotown loop closer to Willingdon to support the future R2 extension and future SkyTrain station? If we assume a Willingdon or even McKay alignment for the Purple Line, the current bus loop is a bit of a walk. If the loop was instead beneath the Skytrain between Willingdon and McKay it would be useful for both the Expo Line and the Purple Line.
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2025, 11:13 PM
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So I just want some clarification, but is transit free?

I'm only asking because on my way to work this morning I saw four people get on without paying
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