Canadian Federal Election

[elly63]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

These rude , uncivilized knuckle draggers need to keep their shit in rigpig workcamps far from civilization.

Wow, the cognitive dissonance is deafening. Wouldn't it have been easier to say deplorables?

[BlackDog204]

There are a number of provisions that prohibit activities and spending by foreign entities in Canadian elections. Among them:

• Only individual Canadian citizens or permanent residents may contribute to parties, candidates, electoral district associations and leadership and nomination contestants (363(1)).
• Foreign entities may not incur regulated expenses as a third party (s. 351.1).
• Third parties may not use foreign funds for regulated activities (including advertising or partisan activities at any time) (s. 349.02).
• During an election period, it is illegal for any foreign person or entity to unduly influence an elector to vote or refrain from voting for a particular candidate or registered party including by incurring expenses to promote a party or candidate or committing an offence under a federal or provincial law (s. 282.4(2)).
• Despite the above prohibition the Act provides that certain actions are not illegal undue influence, including expressing an opinion about the outcome or desired outcome of the election, encouraging electors to vote for someone at the election, or engaging in media activities at the election such as interviews, columns or news.
• Foreign broadcasting stations may not be used to influence a person to vote or refrain from voting per se or to vote for or against a particular candidate or party (s. 330).

For the bolded part, I would assume that asking a foreign nation or entity to either put off tariffs, or encouraging them to make statements in regards to the Canadian election would be illegal, although I am no lawyer. Perhaps someone with legal experience in this regard can weigh in.


Danielle Smith tells U.S. podcast she asked Trump administration to pause tariffs to bolster Conservatives

[suburbanite]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

And cons complained about the Stop Harper signs. These rude , uncivilized knuckle draggers need to keep their shit in rigpig workcamps far from civilization.

Looks like that picture is taken in Shelburne, which is almost an exurb of the GTA at this point.

[BlackDog204]

I have seen various posts (especially in Alberta) where dozens of posters are encouraging the general public to write to the Commissioner of Canada Elections, and report Smith for violations in regards to the Canada Elections Act. Here is the link:


https://www.cef-cce.ca/content.asp?section=comp&dir=form&document=index&lang=e


Canadian Citizen: "I cannot believe a sitting Premier would encourage foreign interference in a Canadian Federal Election, and admit it on a US podcast! Is that not borderline treason?"

Conservative: "bUt WhAt AbOuT TrAnSgEnDeR GrOoMiNg???" "WhAt AbOuT CaNcEl cUlTuRe???"

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Here you go… https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/...s-outsized-contribution-to-confederation

It’s peer reviewed is it not?

No it is not peer reviewed, it is from a (partisan) think tank.

Second, once again, you moved the goalposts. You are talking about net, after disbursements AND NOT contributions, as you posted, in which Ontario is the largest contributor to the federal budget, and has been, for over a century.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Winnipegger

"Socialism is when the government does stuff I don't like (carbon tax, child care subsidies, urban transit projects, and pharmacare) and Capitalism is when the government does stuff I like (tax breaks for corporations, federal subsidies for pipelines and O&G production, highway and rail projects)."

- You, probably.

If you are the type of person who can look at someone that was:
- The governor of two western central banks
- Who earned his Ph.D. in Economics at Oxford, studied under Margaret Meyer, and wrote his Ph.D. thesis on "The dynamic advantage of competition" (thanks wikipedia!)
- Who worked for Goldman Sachs
- Who worked for Brookfield Asset Management

And conclude that this guy is a socialist, then I don't think there is anything anyone could say that could change your mind on anything, you're just not that type of person.

What I can say is that if Carney was going to enter politics pre-MAGA era, conservatives would be on their hands and knees begging for him to take the helm. Carney is as neoliberal as they come, and we should be so blessed to have someone focused on the meat and potatoes of economic growth, global trade, and political/economic stability during the current crisis as opposed to a maple-MAGA smooth-brained career politician whose only tangible skill is coming up with one-line political slogans aimed at appeasing the easily-impressed, low information voters in the country.

Thanks for having the patience to type all of this out. The gish gallop supplied by some is a very obvious tactic to overwhelm the conversation with disingenuous statements, half-truths, unsubstantiated claims, and sometimes, complete bs.

They think they are doing themselves a favour, but what it really amounts to is that the credibility of their opinions is undermined.



And then there are those people for which only three things appear to matter in this election: (1) transgenderism, (2) the alleged persecution of Christians in Canada, and/or (3) the slights suffered by francophones. PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT ORANGE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!



3 pages on Christmas. Jesus wept.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

There are a number of provisions that prohibit activities and spending by foreign entities in Canadian elections. Among them:

• Only individual Canadian citizens or permanent residents may contribute to parties, candidates, electoral district associations and leadership and nomination contestants (363(1)).
• Foreign entities may not incur regulated expenses as a third party (s. 351.1).
• Third parties may not use foreign funds for regulated activities (including advertising or partisan activities at any time) (s. 349.02).
• During an election period, it is illegal for any foreign person or entity to unduly influence an elector to vote or refrain from voting for a particular candidate or registered party including by incurring expenses to promote a party or candidate or committing an offence under a federal or provincial law (s. 282.4(2)).
• Despite the above prohibition the Act provides that certain actions are not illegal undue influence, including expressing an opinion about the outcome or desired outcome of the election, encouraging electors to vote for someone at the election, or engaging in media activities at the election such as interviews, columns or news.
• Foreign broadcasting stations may not be used to influence a person to vote or refrain from voting per se or to vote for or against a particular candidate or party (s. 330).

For the bolded part, I would assume that asking a foreign nation or entity to either put off tariffs, or encouraging them to make statements in regards to the Canadian election would be illegal, although I am no lawyer. Perhaps someone with legal experience in this regard can weigh in.


Danielle Smith tells U.S. podcast she asked Trump administration to pause tariffs to bolster Conservatives

Doubt there's anyone here with experience prosecuting foreign electoral interference.

It's a political blunder, but the rhetoric needs to be toned down here. She isn't a traitor for stating the obvious and she isn't going to jail for this. Danielle Smith is a Canadian citizen and it isn't illegal for her to have an opinion on her own elections.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by theman23

Doubt there's anyone here with experience prosecuting foreign electoral interference.

You may have misread my question. I asked to see if one of the forum members was familiar with the law in regards to the elections act.

Unsure where you came up with "experience prosecuting foreign electoral interference" from.

Originally Posted by theman23

It's a political blunder, but the rhetoric needs to be toned down here. She isn't a traitor for stating the obvious and she isn't going to jail for this. Danielle Smith is a Canadian citizen and it isn't illegal for her to have an opinion on her own elections.

Downplaying what Smith did, and dishonestly stating it was a "political blunder" is not going to make this go away. As Canadians we definitely do not want to make the mistake as our southern neighbours, when it came to Russian interference in their elections (on top of having a Russian-compromised President).

[Acajack]

Mark Carney just announced he is opting out of the TVA debate. (The "extra" one in French.)

[theman23]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

You may have misread my question. I asked to see if one of the forum members was familiar with the law in regards to the elections act.

Unsure where you came up with "experience prosecuting foreign electoral interference" from.




Downplaying what Smith did, and dishonestly stating it was a "political blunder" is not going to make this go away. As Canadians we definitely do not want to make the mistake as our southern neighbours, when it came to Russian interference in their elections (on top of having a Russian-compromised President).

I'm not saying it'll go away. It's going to cost her and mostly the CPC. But there's no crime here.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Mark Carney just announced he is opting out of the TVA debate. (The "extra" one in French.)

Quelle surprise.

Little upside for him. Lot's of downside.

I'm disappointed that he is being judged so harshly on the quality of his French. It might not be up to usual standards at present, but knowing his character, I'm sure that it will improve.

As apposed to Blaine Higgs in NB who gave a promise to learn French, and apparently tried to do his best, but gave up after a year of futility. Blaine had no previous experience, and was trying to learn the language in his 60s, which is always difficult.

Carney has had little need for French over the last decade and is rusty, but, I think it will rapidly improve.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by theman23

I'm not saying it'll go away. It's going to cost her and mostly the CPC. But there's no crime here.

Voice of reason. Thanks.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by suburbanite

While Smith is clearly a fool here, I have a tough time drawing some sort of legal equivalency between those two actions. One was basically asking another country to initiate new action under a quid pro quo arrangement. One is asking for relief from current actions without any indication of some payment in kind. Either way, it's a stupid thing for any premier to do.

Pierre had the perfect opportunity to address it this AM - because he had a very direct question - but he gaslight the journalist and blah, blah, blah'd his slogans.

Danielle + Pierre = Maple Maga

[MolsonExport]

Since we are determined to focus on the most peripheral of things, what's the latest on Mark Carney's six degrees of separation from Ghislaine Maxwell? Also, I want to know: Did he once wish someone "Happy Holidays"? Quelle Horreur.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Mark Carney just announced he is opting out of the TVA debate. (The "extra" one in French.)

Far be it for me to help the leftist zealots here and defend Carney but didn't TVA want 75 grand or something from the parties to hold the debate? I could be wrong on that.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by elly63

Far be it for me to help the leftist zealots here and defend Carney but didn't TVA want 75 grand or something from the parties to hold the debate? I could be wrong on that.

Yes, there was a money request involved. All of the other parties agreed to pay, and AFAIK the Liberals have also paid in previous elections.

[Taeolas]

Yeah I'm not surprised he's avoiding the TVA debate.

It's a short campaign period to start with. And he's expecting at least one economic nuke to come from the States during the Campaign period, so he'll have to be ready to handle it while campaigning.

Looking at the numbers, he probably figures it's better to take the jabs for "running away" from another debate (that would have to be shortly before or after the other ones so what differences might they make?), especially in an election that is so economically focused as this one will be.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Quelle surprise.

Little upside for him. Lot's of downside.

I'm disappointed that he is being judged so harshly on the quality of his French. It might not be up to usual standards at present, but knowing his character, I'm sure that it will improve.

As apposed to Blaine Higgs in NB who gave a promise to learn French, and apparently tried to do his best, but gave up after a year of futility. Blaine had no previous experience, and was trying to learn the language in his 60s, which is always difficult.

Carney has had little need for French over the last decade and is rusty, but, I think it will rapidly improve.

I'm very shocked he didn't spend the last two years studying intensively. I know it was a longshot he would end up as leader but it was certainly something he was angling for as early as 2023. He will get good at giving speeches in French but responding in parliament will be tricky for awhile.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by theman23

Doubt there's anyone here with experience prosecuting foreign electoral interference.

It's a political blunder, but the rhetoric needs to be toned down here. She isn't a traitor for stating the obvious and she isn't going to jail for this. Danielle Smith is a Canadian citizen and it isn't illegal for her to have an opinion on her own elections.

It's not an opinion when you have acted on the actions.

Perhaps not arrested - but she can be held to account. She's a premier, she does not represent Canada and she interveneved with a foreign administration like she is the federal government with the aim of helping her preferred maple maga buddy out. She's manipulative, will sell us out and Pierre does nothing to stop it or call it out so he's as guilty as she is.

[MolsonExport]

Smith told U.S. administration officials that she hoped "we could put things on pause," so Canada could get through an election, she told Breitbart. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is more aligned with the Trump administration's agenda, Smith said.