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Old Posted Feb 10, 2025, 7:47 PM
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Edmonton YEG handled a total of 7.92 million passengers in 2024.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/airport-still-3-down-from-pre-pandemic-volumes-new-data/
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2025, 4:54 PM
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So with the EU forcing Lufthansa to continue to feed the Condor network, what does that mean for the now cancelled Edmonton route?
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2025, 12:45 AM
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So with the EU forcing Lufthansa to continue to feed the Condor network, what does that mean for the now cancelled Edmonton route?
https://www.aerotelegraph.com/eu-kommiss...dor-aber-nicht-im-transatlantikgeschaeft

EU has withdrawn their order, for now:
Translated from German- "Brussels withdraws the interim injunction, which prohibited the German aviation company from dissolving the feeder contract with Condor. Nevertheless, Lufthansa is not off the hook. The EU Commission is further investigating the joint venture with United and Air Canada."
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https://www.aerotelegraph.com/eu-kommiss...dor-aber-nicht-im-transatlantikgeschaeft

EU has withdrawn their order, for now:
Translated from German- "Brussels withdraws the interim injunction, which prohibited the German aviation company from dissolving the feeder contract with Condor. Nevertheless, Lufthansa is not off the hook. The EU Commission is further investigating the joint venture with United and Air Canada."
The full article translated below (nothing in the article mentions nor provides any reason for optimism the YEG flight will be reinstated).

"EU Commission exonerates Lufthansa in Condor case – but not in transatlantic business
New decision

Brussels is withdrawing the interim order that prohibited the German aviation group from terminating the feeder contract with Condor. Nevertheless, Lufthansa is not off the hook. The EU Commission is continuing to investigate the joint venture with United and Air Canada.

Lufthansa Boeing 787: Transatlantic cooperation is being investigated.

Lufthansa Group

The dispute between Condor and Lufthansa over feeder flights is like an exciting cup match between a Bundesliga team and a club from the 2nd Bundesliga. The fight is tough. And the referees have to intervene again and again - even with the VAR. One time the top-class team takes the lead, then the lower-class team surprisingly scores again. The final result is uncertain.

Condor recently scored again. In January, the EU Commission ordered the Lufthansa Group to reinstate the feeder agreement (officially: Special Prorate Agreement) for flights to and from Frankfurt, which had been terminated at Christmas. It feared that without it, the holiday airline would no longer be able to operate the Frankfurt-New York route on a sustainable basis. This threatened to cause "serious and irreparable damage to competition."

Condor is still seeking an out-of-court solution with Lufthansa

Now the EU Commission has withdrawn this order. "After further examination of all available evidence, the Commission has decided to discontinue its interim measures procedure," it announced on Thursday (27 February). Not all legal requirements for the measure had been met.

"We assume that the ongoing proceedings before the Federal Cartel Office and the European Commission will lead to positive decisions in the interests of competition and thus for consumers," commented a Condor spokesperson. Since these proceedings could drag on for a long time, however, the company is "continuing to have constructive discussions with Lufthansa in order to reach an out-of-court solution that is satisfactory for both sides."

EU Commission continues to fear restrictions on competition

"We welcome this decision by the EU Commission and see our legal opinion confirmed," says the Lufthansa Group. "Condor can continue to book Lufthansa Group flights on the basis of standard industry interlining."

For Lufthansa Group, however, it is only a small victory. The EU Commission is also pushing ahead with the investigation that has been ongoing since last August and which triggered the interim order in favor of Condor. It is also taking a close look at the transatlantic joint venture A++. This concerns the joint planning, pricing and marketing of flights by Lufthansa (as well as its sister companies Austrian Airlines, Brussels Airlines, Eurowings and Swiss), United Airlines and Air Canada between Europe and North America.

Compatibility with competition rules for transatlantic routes

This close cooperation could possibly violate competition law, according to the EU Commission. It is continuing to examine "the compatibility of the transatlantic joint venture A++ with the EU competition rules for transatlantic routes," it explains in a statement."
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2025, 9:07 PM
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BA British Airways has Not added much in Canada since they ended its Calgary YYC service end of (October 2019) except for increasing Vancouver YVR/Toronto YYZ - London LHR, UK flights ✈️during Spring / Summer seasons.

As for VS Virgin Atlantic, their *new* Toronto YYZ - LHR starting end of March 2025 should do ok with feed from WestJet & don’t think they will add service from Western Canada until they see how well the YYZ service does.

I don’t think AC Air Canada has plans to do Edmonton YEG- London LHR on Boeing 787.
Once AC gets deliveries of the *new* Airbus A321 XLR, YEG - LHR is a very good possibility✅ .

As for WestJet currently no, as they don’t have enough Boeing 787’s

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FLIGHT CERTIFICATE REDEEMABLE AT PAULL TRAVEL FOR TWO ECONOMY NON-STOP FLIGHTS TO LONDON (UP TO A MAXIMUM OF $3,000) OR IF THE FLIGHT DOESN’T LAUNCH WITHIN 36 MONTHS, A $3,000 TRAVEL VOUCHER FROM PAULL TRAVEL

That’s the prize.
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As reported on many websites, Flair is scaling back operations to the US. I'm curious if YEG will reap any new flights/destinations with aircraft to spare.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250314-f8ns25us
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2025, 1:02 PM
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^ why not try a seasonal YEG-Iceland route - the Max 8 have the range to do it?
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^ why not try a seasonal YEG-Iceland route - the Max 8 have the range to do it?
Thats a long flight on an aircraft with no wifi, complimentary meals/beverages, and scattered OTP.

Also, I don't really think there is enough demand for YEG-KEF with no connections. It would work with Icelandair, but not Flair.
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Would love to see a Flair flight on the Max 8 to somewhere in Central America - Panama or Costa Rica come to mind.

Ireland would be cool too but that is at the max range of the Max 8 and not sure if they'd risk a flight that long over ocean with no where to emergency land.
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Ireland would be cool too but that is at the max range of the Max 8.....
Yeah but these flights would get really expensive based on a bottle of water costing $3.89 per bottle lol.

If I was Flair, I'd challenge WS or AC to flights out of Halifax, St. John's, Moncton, Charlottetown and Fredericton. Flair could fly to Europe or Eastern Canada, maybe even YHU.

Another thought is for Porter and Flair to merge. Porter would finally get some higher capacity aircraft that they could use across Canada. Everyone seems to say that Porter's Embraer's are not a good challenger for long and dense routes. Just spit balling of course but weirder things have happened in the aviation industry,
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Another thought is for Porter and Flair to merge. Porter would finally get some higher capacity aircraft that they could use across Canada. Everyone seems to say that Porter's Embraer's are not a good challenger for long and dense routes. Just spit balling of course but weirder things have happened in the aviation industry,
A merged Porter/Flair airline would be perfectly fine with me, although I'm not sure if their HQ/hub would still be at YEG.
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A merged Porter/Flair airline would be perfectly fine with me, although I'm not sure if their HQ/hub would still be at YEG.
Can you really even say Flair's hub is or ever was YEG? Flair has 20 aircraft but how many do they base at YEG? I feel like not many.

Look at tomorrow's schedule. There are 6 arrivals and 6 departures. An early flight to LAS and back and then that aircraft can go to YVR. An early flight to YLW and back and then that aircraft goes to PVR and back. So say this is 2 aircraft so far. Then you have an arrival from YXX and then a departure to YXX so there is another aircraft but it is technically based in YXX for the day. Then there is an after midnight departure to YYZ and a return prior to midnight but this is actually the aircraft arriving from YYZ at 23:45 and leaving YEG at 0:45 to return to YYZ so this aircraft doesn't count as based here.

So basically you have 2 aircraft based here. This is even lower than I thought! I thought it would be 4 or 5 tops. So really Flair doesn't hub at YEG at all regardless of where their head office is. I would rather have a stronger airline providing quality air service regardless where the hub is.

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Can you really even say Flair's hub is or ever was YEG? Flair has 20 aircraft but how many do they base at YEG? I feel like not many.

Look at tomorrow's schedule. There are 6 arrivals and 6 departures. An early flight to LAS and back and then that aircraft can go to YVR. An early flight to YLW and back and then that aircraft goes to PVR and back. So say this is 2 aircraft so far. Then you have an arrival from YXX and then a departure to YXX so there is another aircraft but it is technically based in YXX for the day. Then there is an after midnight departure to YYZ and a return prior to midnight but this is actually the aircraft arriving from YYZ at 23:45 and leaving YEG at 0:45 to return to YYZ so this aircraft doesn't count as based here.

So basically you have 2 aircraft based here. This is even lower than I thought! I thought it would be 4 or 5 tops. So really Flair doesn't hub at YEG at all regardless of where their head office is. I would rather have a stronger airline providing quality air service regardless where the hub is.
End of the day, that's Westjet. They do 24 year round destinations and 15 more seasonally. No one will surpass that or do more in Edmonton. Everything else will really be Flair doing there ULCC thing or other airlines feeding there hubs. Both should be encouraged but WestJet really will be the dominate and likely fastest growing airline in Edmonton, and they can actually connect people through the airport.
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Looking forward to the United Airlines/Chamber luncheon today. Curious to hear what's shared.

https://business.edmontonchamber.com/eve...-yeg-expands-global-reach-luncheon-11458
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Looking forward to the United Airlines/Chamber luncheon today. Curious to hear what's shared.

https://business.edmontonchamber.com/eve...-yeg-expands-global-reach-luncheon-11458
I was in attendance until 12:40 when I had to take a call. Was a bit of waste of time for me.
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