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Old Posted Mar 11, 2025, 1:42 PM
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I expect St. Laurent, Place d'Orleans and Gatineau to bite the dust. Rideau sold and shrunk, but ultimately survive. Haven't been to Bayshore in ages, but for some reason I think it's doing better.
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I wouldn't bet on Bayshore surviving the closures. It's always pretty damn quiet in there. If it's doing better than those other Ottawa locations, it's probably only marginally so. That said, they could potentially reduce the footprint and use two floors instead of three.
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Will The Bay survive in downtown Ottawa — or anywhere?
The grand dame of Canadian department stores is on life support. We've seen it before, but this time it's more emotional.

Bruce Deachman, Ottawa Citizen
Published Mar 12, 2025 • Last updated 5 hours ago • 4 minute read


It’s hard not to think of The Bay, goes the old, once-successful marketing slogan. But these days, the grand dame of Canadian department stores is lying in the business world’s equivalent of the ICU, her rattling cough perhaps indicating her final moments. Analysts predict that the chain may need to close half or more of its 80 stores in Canada as part of a life-saving remedy.

This isn’t the first time we’ve seen this movie. In 2017, Sears Canada sought and received creditor protection that saw it first close nearly 60 stores across Canada and, within months, all of them.

But this hurts a little more and will hurt Ottawa in particular.

For better and worse, the story of the Hudson’s Bay Company, established nearly two centuries before the nation was born, is the story of Canada. Its retail stores stretch back to the latter half of the 19th century, with its full-line department stores dating to 1913. The Bay has essentially been with us forever. The chain’s current insolvency, coincidentally coming to a head as consumers lead a rabid buy-Canadian campaign in the face of U.S. tariffs, is a painful reminder of how tenuous the things we take for granted can be against shifting tides.

For generations, The Bay’s stores stood as important shopping destinations, but also meeting places: recall, for instance, the café that was once part of The Bay’s Rideau Street store.

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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/bay-survive-downtown-ottawa
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The entire chain needs to be re-thought, re-branded and re-focused if it is to survive.

It's not obvious at all to me what their new niche could be in today's marketplace.
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I've always been puzzled by how department stores have struggled in Canada. It has been the case since long before shopping on-line was a thing. Especially in a place like Ottawa, with its limited retail options, a great department store would be the go-to location, one would think.
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I've always been puzzled by how department stores have struggled in Canada. It has been the case since long before shopping on-line was a thing. Especially in a place like Ottawa, with its limited retail options, a great department store would be the go-to location, one would think.
We used to have them. Eaton's and The Bay in its heyday had downtown stores in the major cities that were equivalent to flagship urban department stores in our peer countries. And there was Ogilvy's, Simpson's, Morgan's, Woodward's before that.

The key to knowing you're in one of those stores: the fancy makeup and perfume section right near the entrance.
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London, Paris and New York are in another class with this stuff, though I wonder if places like Sydney and Melbourne still have them.
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London, Paris and New York are in another class with this stuff, though I wonder if places like Sydney and Melbourne still have them.
El Corte Ingles in Spain and Portugal is a first class operation. Mexico has Liverpool and, at the high end, El Palacio de Hierro. Even a place like El Salvador has Siman, which would compare very favourably to the Bay. Australia, I don't know.
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The Toys R Us in Barrhaven is closing. I think I heard that the Kanata one is too from an employee there.

The Barrhaven location is in the old Bed, Bath, and Beyond location. The adjacent Best Buy has moved to a smaller location in the RioCan plaza, so this leaves a fairly large spot that someone could take over.
The only possibility I could see might be an Asian grocery store, as this is lacking in Barrhaven.
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Surprising since the Barrhaven location opened last year also When i went to the Kanata location before it seemed to have average customers
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El Corte Ingles in Spain and Portugal is a first class operation. Mexico has Liverpool and, at the high end, El Palacio de Hierro. Even a place like El Salvador has Siman, which would compare very favourably to the Bay. Australia, I don't know.
Australia has Myer and David Jones. Back in the day, they'd mirror our Eaton's and The Bay quite nicely. Not sure if that's the right order though. Also not sure how they are doing in the new retail marketscape. One thing Australia does not have is as many huge Walmart-type stores along suburban boulevards that took away many traditional department store niches in recent decades. We are also attached at the hip to a lot of the hyper-developed US distribution networks for online shopping. My guess is that that sector isn't as dominant Down Under and therefore might not have hit their department stores as hard, though I may be wrong.
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Surprising since the Barrhaven location opened last year also When i went to the Kanata location before it seemed to have average customers
Gatineau Toys R Us also has decent customer traffic, though I wonder if what is happening is that the troubles with the mother ship are starting to bring some of the healthier stores down now.
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The Toys R Us in Barrhaven is closing. I think I heard that the Kanata one is too from an employee there.

The Barrhaven location is in the old Bed, Bath, and Beyond location. The adjacent Best Buy has moved to a smaller location in the RioCan plaza, so this leaves a fairly large spot that someone could take over.
The only possibility I could see might be an Asian grocery store, as this is lacking in Barrhaven.
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Gatineau Toys R Us also has decent customer traffic, though I wonder if what is happening is that the troubles with the mother ship are starting to bring some of the healthier stores down now.
If Toys R Us and HBC close at St. Laurent within the next few years, they might bring down the mall with them. It's certainly not as dead as Place d'Orelans or Calringwood, but it's not as lively as it used to be.
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While I am certainly not happy about the Bay, this does present a massive, once in a century chance to completely re-envision the interface between Rideau street, Rideau Center, and the Byward Market.
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I'm nostalgic, but at the end of the day, it's another American company.
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I'm nostalgic, but at the end of the day, it's another American company.
I think that a lot of Canadians do not realize that.

The way companies are bought and sold and merge these days, it is hard to keep track of who owns what.
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This is a reflection of a pretty dismal economic outlook for Canada based on Trump policies.
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Gatineau Toys R Us also has decent customer traffic, though I wonder if what is happening is that the troubles with the mother ship are starting to bring some of the healthier stores down now.
I've been to the Kanata location a few times and it's always decently busy. I'm starting to look at the whole situation in disbelief. Online shopping doesn't offer the same experience at all, but it seems like it's soon going to be one of the only option to buy kids stuff. There are smaller stores but they're nothing like Toys R' Us and they carry limited inventory.
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If Toys R Us and HBC close at St. Laurent within the next few years, they might bring down the mall with them. It's certainly not as dead as Place d'Orelans or Calringwood, but it's not as lively as it used to be.
St. Laurent may be a little too close to Rideau Centre, which is unfortunate, because otherwise Simons would probably have been a good candidate to take over some of that vacant space. Since they don't have any presence in the West End, I think chances that they do that at Bayshore are good. One or two floors anyway.
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