Canadian Federal Election

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by whatnext

At the end of the day the Libs have made life in Canada far more unbearable (ie unaffordable) for young Canadians than Trump ever could.

Spoken like a true Trump supporter.

Trump could crush our standard of living, and more.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

You left out the most recent example of this happening (probably for obvious reasons). Paul Martin replaced Jean Chretien, when he was forced out in 2003, and proceeded to win the 2004 election, so it obviously can be done.

It was a June 2004 election which resulted in a Martin minority government. The Liberals lost 33 seats and their popular vote fell ~4.0%. Martin's government fell on a non-confidence motion in November 2005 and ultimately lost the January 2006 election where the Liberals lost an additional 30 seats and their popular vote was down another 6.5%.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Spoken like a true Trump supporter.

Trump could crush our standard of living, and more.

True… Crushed to levels lower than what the Trudeau liberals have already crushed it.

[Werthers]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

True… Crushed to levels lower than what the Trudeau liberals have already crushed it.

Yup, and that's pretty low

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

It's also notable that every single MAGA/far right spokesperson (Kevin O'Leary, Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Jordan Peterson, etc), have openly endorsed Poilievre.

I wouldn't describe any of those people as "far-right" with the possible exception of Alex Jones who believes in too many conspiracy theories for my liking and whose comments about Sandy Hook were grotesque

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

It's almost certainly going to have the same affect as it did in Germany- which is kill any momentum the MAGA supported party (Conservatives) have. MAGA and the Trump Administration are massively unpopular in Canada and Europe. To have Musk and company endorsing Pierre Poilievre, is a blessing for the Liberal Party.

While MAGA and Trump certainly aren't popular in Canada I wouldn't say they're "massively unpopular" either

Originally Posted by Ozabald

It was a June 2004 election which resulted in a Martin minority government. The Liberals lost 33 seats and their popular vote fell ~4.0%. Martin's government fell on a non-confidence motion in November 2005 and ultimately lost the January 2006 election where the Liberals lost an additional 30 seats and their popular vote was down another 6.5%.

Justin has taken the Liberals so far to the left that today Paul Martin would be described as "far-right". The irony of Martin getting his ass kicked at the polls was he was the most prudent spender of any Liberal in a very long time who actually did a good job of shrinking the national debt which of course Justin subsequently undid by many orders of magnitude

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Werthers

While MAGA and Trump certainly aren't popular in Canada I wouldn't say they're "massively unpopular" either

I have to disagree with this. There was a bit of "winner's shine" on Trump immediately after his victory in November that rubbed off on some Canadians, but this tariff and 51st state stuff has basically nullified almost all of the (already marginal) positive sentiment that existed for him in Canada.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by Hecate View Post
Can a banker be a socialist? Especially one like carney who lived off the government teat the whole time he was in England and blew money like there was no tomorrow?

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-expenses-bill
By that logic Trump is a socialist.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

By that logic Trump is a socialist.

And if we want to see the poster boys for living off the taxpayer PP is that person along with my MP.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Werthers

Yup, and that's pretty low



I wouldn't describe any of those people as "far-right" with the possible exception of Alex Jones who believes in too many conspiracy theories for my liking and whose comments about Sandy Hook were grotesque



While MAGA and Trump certainly aren't popular in Canada I wouldn't say they're "massively unpopular" either



Justin has taken the Liberals so far to the left that today Paul Martin would be described as "far-right". The irony of Martin getting his ass kicked at the polls was he was the most prudent spender of any Liberal in a very long time who actually did a good job of shrinking the national debt which of course Justin subsequently undid by many orders of magnitude

That is true about Martin. He couldn't shake the Mr. Dithers handle; plus was tarred by the Quebec sponsorship scandal.

[Marshsparrow]

Is Canada perfect? Nope... but every year with consistency we are placed in the top ranked, top happiest, top safest, and on and on and on...

Concerned about your standard of living - spend a week in India. You'll be grateful.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Werthers

Justin has taken the Liberals so far to the left that today Paul Martin would be described as "far-right". The irony of Martin getting his ass kicked at the polls was he was the most prudent spender of any Liberal in a very long time who actually did a good job of shrinking the national debt which of course Justin subsequently undid by many orders of magnitude

If one were to look at the history of the Canadian debt, it rose every year Mulroney and the Conservatives were in power, shrunk in nearly all years of the Chretien/Martin Liberal era. With Harper, it was mainly steady, with the exception being the recession of 2008-10. This continued until COVID, where every single 1st World nation experienced significant debt. This should not be attributed to Trudeau.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Is Canada perfect? Nope... but every year with consistency we are placed in the top ranked, top happiest, top safest, and on and on and on...

Concerned about your standard of living - spend a week in India. You'll be grateful.

Why can’t we spend the week in sweden or Denmark?

[Werthers]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I have to disagree with this. There was a bit of "winner's shine" on Trump immediately after his victory in November that rubbed off on some Canadians, but this tariff and 51st state stuff has basically nullified almost all of the (already marginal) positive sentiment that existed for him in Canada.

I just don't get where Trump is going with these tariffs, he has a history of making extreme demands and then negotiating from there to the place he probably wanted to get to all along but even if he rolls back the tariffs from 25% to 10% it's still going to hurt both countries, especially ours so no one wins. It just makes no sense

Trump's claim that our border needs securing is bullshit too both in terms of fentanyl and illegal immigrants, the only problem with our border are illegal guns coming into Canada from America but of course that has nothing to do with the tariffs

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

If one were to look at the history of the Canadian debt, it rose every year Mulroney and the Conservatives were in power, shrunk in nearly all years of the Chretien/Martin Liberal era. With Harper, it was mainly steady, with the exception being the recession of 2008-10. This continued until COVID, where every single 1st World nation experienced significant debt. This should not be attributed to Trudeau.

the CERB shouldn't be attributed to Trudeau? Seriously?

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Werthers

While MAGA and Trump certainly aren't popular in Canada I wouldn't say they're "massively unpopular" either

Trump was always extremely unpopular in Canada and Europe. This approval ratings for Trump is from 2020. With the threat of annexation, and the tariffs, it is now in the single digits. Trump is almost universally despised.

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

If one were to look at the history of the Canadian debt, it rose every year Mulroney and the Conservatives were in power, shrunk in nearly all years of the Chretien/Martin Liberal era. With Harper, it was mainly steady, with the exception being the recession of 2008-10. This continued until COVID, where every single 1st World nation experienced significant debt. This should not be attributed to Trudeau.

I dunno…. I don’t read that as “with Harper it was mainly steady” I read that as Harper drastically reducing debt all the way until they got voted out, which the Libs from the get go significantly increased debt all the way to Covid, which then skyrocketed. Now 2 years out from Covid, they continue to increase the debt to peak levels of Covid

[Docere]

And only the CPC is split on the "Trump question."

The CPC needs both the 15% or so of Canadians who are pro-Trump and a significant number of anti-Trump voters in the center to center-right to form government.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

I dunno…. I don’t read that as “with Harper it was mainly steady” I read that as Harper drastically reducing debt all the way until they got voted out, which the Libs from the get go significantly increased debt all the way to Covid, which then skyrocketed. Now 2 years out from Covid, they continue to increase the debt to peak levels of Covid

To be honest, I would not be opposed about running a deficit, if spending was put towards the right areas. If Canada can put 3% of our GDP on defence spending, I would completely support that. I even support helping out Ukraine more, considering it will pay off in the long run.

[Hackslack]

I don’t disagree, but cuts need to be made elsewhere then, and new, or increasing, streams of revenue need to be created.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Is Canada perfect? Nope... but every year with consistency we are placed in the top ranked, top happiest, top safest, and on and on and on...

Concerned about your standard of living - spend a week in India. You'll be grateful.

True, just ask the millions of Indian students Justin let in.

[BlackDog204]

I have never seen anything like this in my life. Insanity.

[Docere]

Interesting Reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/alberta/comments/1ix5pvk/dear_albertans_who_love_the_usa_so_much_have_you/

Incidentally for all the Alberta-Montana comparisons, the connections between the two are just about the weakest between any neighboring states and provinces I think. A majority of Montana's population lives in the western third of the state which is probably if anything more like the interior of BC.

[casper]

Originally Posted by Docere

Interesting Reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/alberta/comments/1ix5pvk/dear_albertans_who_love_the_usa_so_much_have_you/

Incidentally for all the Alberta-Montana comparisons, the connections between the two are just about the weakest between any neighboring states and provinces I think. A majority of Montana's population lives in the western third of the state which is probably if anything more like the interior of BC.

It is fairly easy to get into the US with a job offer and being on this list:

https://tnvisaexpert.com/tn-visa-usmca/nafta-job-list/

Visa is issued at the border, good for three years on the spot, with a copy of a job offer and proof your training/experience. No need to apply ahead of time. Can be renewed multiple times and one your in you apply for parament status. Some of these you need a university degree but many you just need a associate degree.

What many people from Alberta don't get is that Alberta has turned into a major economic and business center in Canada because its in Canada. If 40 years ago, Alberta had been another state of the US, it would have turned out like North Dakota. Its a place where you drill for oil or gas. There some local infrastructure but all the decision making and HQ jobs are in New York, Chicago, Houston or Dallas.

I was in North Dakota about two months ago. Great place, but its dominated by branch offices of companies based elsewhere or small business.

Alberta is the energy centre of Canada and because it houses a number of head offices in that sector it also attracts other HQ jobs to the city. Had it been part of the US most of those would have been merged into corporations based out of Texas.