Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion II

[nname]

Originally Posted by Lexus

Those are boarding stats. It doesn’t mean they all get off at UBC. Once extension is open at Arbutus things will look dramatically different. Especially for 99.

UBC releases yearly transportation report that includes route-by-route ridership entering and leaving the UBC boundary:

https://planning.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/2024-06/UBC2023-TransportationStatusReport-FINAL.pdf

See table 3.2 and 3.3

The majority of 47,000 passengers entering through Chancellor, University Blvd and 16th Ave will be served by SkyTrain. A portion of the 30,000 from SW Marine will also served (SkyTrain to SkyTrain transfer will replace the R4 and become the preferred route for passengers from Richmond, along Canada Line, and Expo line east of Joyce)

So 50,000+ daily passengers even before the line was built is pretty much the entire Evergreen or the Langley extension ridership in just 1 station. The other stations are just the added bonus.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Google tells me there are 72000 students there, plus staff. That's not enough?

Originally Posted by Stainer

You can't assume that all 72000 students would take the train.

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

No one's assuming that, the same way we're not assuming that all 220 000+ North Shore residents will use a potential SkyTrain line when we make the case for that expansion.

Originally Posted by nname

UBC releases yearly transportation report that includes route-by-route ridership entering and leaving the UBC boundary:
:
The majority of 47,000 passengers entering through Chancellor, University Blvd and 16th Ave will be served by SkyTrain. A portion of the 30,000 from SW Marine will also served (SkyTrain to SkyTrain transfer will replace the R4 and become the preferred route for passengers from Richmond, along Canada Line, and Expo line east of Joyce)

So 50,000+ daily passengers even before the line was built is pretty much the entire Evergreen or the Langley extension ridership in just 1 station. The other stations are just the added bonus.

Nothing like facts to get in the way of a spirited argument. Great find, @nname!

@Stainer - don't forget about all of the staff, both teaching and administrative, that commutes right alongside those 72,000 students. If @nname's referenced stats are correct (and we'd need some decent evidence to believe that they aren't), it looks like there are about as many staff as students. That means UBC has a far higher ratio of transit users than most of the rest of the lower mainland destinations.

@Tvisforme - Of the ~140,000 total UBC commuting trips we'd be expecting more than a third of of them to be using Skytrain. Just for fun, imagine what that would translate to for a North Shore fixed link! Nowhere near all of the residents commute to the south shore, though...

[cganuelas1995]

If Translink could get the bus stop alighting data just like how we get bus stop boarding data, then they could use it to optimize bus routes

[madog222]

VCC-Clark propulsion power substation construction.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

people are still trying to make the case students dont deserve SkyTrain on a crazy busy bus line? that the 3rd largest employment centre, (after downtown + broadway) doesnt deserve SkyTrain? that the future huge development at Jericho doesnt deserve SkyTrain? really? this again?

we built the Millennium line (train to nowhere), Evergreen extension (mediocre ridership), Langely extension (projected mediocre ridership)

based on the current data we have, the UBCx would have more riders than them. but politics got those ones built first. and here people are, again, the same crap as years past.

i guess that explains why the lowest hanging fruit project, no brainer (SFU Gondola) hasnt happened.

the next most important line to be built is the UBCx. the no brainer project is the SFU gondola. both of those should be done ASAP. the next line should be the purple line. not until those other ones are done first.

thats what the data tells us. its in the reports, business cases, etc. its not hard. its not a secret. but im tired of seeing people whine about "students"

[Lexus]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

people are still trying to make the case students dont deserve SkyTrain on a crazy busy bus line? that the 3rd largest employment centre, (after downtown + broadway) doesnt deserve SkyTrain? that the future huge development at Jericho doesnt deserve SkyTrain? really? this again?

we built the Millennium line (train to nowhere), Evergreen extension (mediocre ridership), Langely extension (projected mediocre ridership)

based on the current data we have, the UBCx would have more riders than them. but politics got those ones built first. and here people are, again, the same crap as years past.

i guess that explains why the lowest hanging fruit project, no brainer (SFU Gondola) hasnt happened.

the next most important line to be built is the UBCx. the no brainer project is the SFU gondola. both of those should be done ASAP. the next line should be the purple line. not until those other ones are done first.

thats what the data tells us. its in the reports, business cases, etc. its not hard. its not a secret. but im tired of seeing people whine about "students"

And look what happening in Burquitlam, and what yet to come there. Coquitlam Central will be massive development soon as well.

[bardak]

The fact that the UBCx is the only rapid transit line that would actually lower operating costs for Translink make it pretty self evident that it should be the next project. Your welcome to argue politics for why it shouldn't be but it has its place in the queue on merit.

[chowhou]

I hope we're not all forgetting that once the Broadway Extension is completed, there will be a huge readjustment of transit usage patterns. Students who live in Richmond and Oakridge who used to take the R4 are instead likely to take the Canada Line north and transfer at Broadway-City Hall to then take the 99 at Arbutus. Students who live east of Joyce who used to take the R4 or 49 are instead likely to take the Expo Line northwest and transfer at Commercial-Broadway to then take the 99 at Arbutus. Students who live downtown who used to take the 14 or 44 or whatever made sense to them are instead likely to take the Canada Line south and transfer at Broadway-City Hall to then take the 99 at Arbutus. Students who live on the North Shore who used to all meet at Burrard Station to take the 44 are instead likely to take the Canada Line south and transfer at Broadway-City Hall to then take the 99 to Arbutus.

There's a very real chance that the readjustment of transit usage doesn't actually solve the 99 congestion problem. The Broadway Corridor is only going to need UBCx faster with the Broadway Extension completed if you ask me.

[WarrenC12]

It would be nice to have an extension under construction (UBCx) before the last one finishes (Langley in 2029?)

[madog222]

CBMC will be trialing a Letenda Electrip out of Hamilton TC, reportedly to be four weeks non-revenue followed by two weeks revenue service.

[jollyburger]

Ugliest bus I've ever seen.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Ugliest bus I've ever seen.

Avez-vous a problem with French design? French designers always seem to come up with more avant-garde designs, so to speak.

[DKaz]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

This?





https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Coast_Mo...ial_-_Broadway_Station_/_UBC_(B-Line)%27

Ah yes that's the one. I really thought there was another bus with another number but it may have preceded the 99 B-Line altogether.

[jollyburger]

Radiant heat flooring. Heated front windows.

The advanced system can steer the rear wheels in the opposite direction to that of the front wheels, reducing the turning circle and making it easier to maneuver

The system can steer the rear wheels in the same direction to that of the front wheels, enhancing maneuverability and making curb approaches easier to navigate.

https://letenda.com/en/electrip/

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by madog222

CBMC will be trialing a Letenda Electrip out of Hamilton TC, reportedly to be four weeks non-revenue followed by two weeks revenue service.

It's looks that Guppy plane on wheels, or a Shinkansen.


Letenda Electrip

[madog222]

It looks far better than the current community shuttle buses with the low floor and two doors.

[jollyburger]

TransLink’s Retail Program brings coffee, eats, and convenience to transit hubs

TransLink’s Retail Program works to bring services and amenities to you, while generating important revenue for funding transit.

“We’re striving to deliver more amenities and convenience to our riders and to enhance their transit experience,” says Ruby Mangat, who is the project manager for TransLink’s Retail Program. In her role, Ruby works with the retail partners and their contractors to facilitate the store buildouts.

“It’s a win-win for the program as it provides value for our riders, while also generates a consistent source of revenue for the organization.”

It’s all part of TransLink’s Customer Experience Action Plan as we seek to deliver transit that is faster, more reliable, easier to use, more personalized, safer and more comfortable, and helps make our communities better.

https://buzzer.translink.ca/2025/02/tran...ee-eats-and-convenience-to-transit-hubs/

[jollyburger]

Reminds me of a Philippines jeepney buses



https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2...-transport-threatens-the-beloved-jeepney

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by officedweller

It's looks that Guppy plane on wheels, or a Shinkansen.


Letenda Electrip

Reminds me of those new USPS vans

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Ugliest bus I've ever seen.

Buses aren't supposed to be beautiful, they're supposed to be functional.