Downtown Vancouver Updates II

[officedweller]

True, if the midblock warehouses get demolished.

[jollyburger]

If they needed it would they get any heritage restoration bonus for keeping the facade? Or does COV only provide that for more historically significant buildings?

[mcj]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

If they needed it would they get any heritage restoration bonus for keeping the facade? Or does COV only provide that for more historically significant buildings?

This is really not a façade worth keeping. The new proposal is much better than the one that retained the façade.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by mcj

This is really not a façade worth keeping. The new proposal is much better than the one that retained the façade.

The earlier design tried to replace just one of the buildings with a tower. The other stayed, but couldn't really redevelop with the proposd tower next door. The project didn't retain the facade of the building to be redeveloped (888 Cambie). Now they've added the building on the corner to the site, and plan to demolish that too.

I've seen better designed buildings, but this is just a proposed rezoning, so it could change a lot. The whole thing looks rather 70's to me, and I bet the 'curved' corner balconies actually have flat panels following the curve in the slab.

[bb1510]

Interiors of 888 Cambie from Walker McKinley's IG:

https://www.instagram.com/walker.mckinley/p/DGUcflzJRxX/

Given how early in the process this is, I'd expect these to change

[bb1510]

Originally Posted by Changing City

The earlier design tried to replace just one of the buildings with a tower. The other stayed, but couldn't really redevelop with the proposd tower next door. The project didn't retain the facade of the building to be redeveloped (888 Cambie). Now they've added the building on the corner to the site, and plan to demolish that too.

I've seen better designed buildings, but this is just a proposed rezoning, so it could change a lot. The whole thing looks rather 70's to me, and I bet the 'curved' corner balconies actually have flat panels following the curve in the slab.

The previous proposal did seem to retain the facade of 888 Cambie

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/888-camb...anley-brock-building-tower-redevelopment

https://renx.ca/nonni-group-27-storey-vancouver-tower-cautious-market

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by bb1510

The previous proposal did seem to retain the facade of 888 Cambie

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/888-camb...anley-brock-building-tower-redevelopment

https://renx.ca/nonni-group-27-storey-vancouver-tower-cautious-market

There were a lot of art moderne inspired office and warehouse blocks that have been demolished over the years
(Maple Leaf Storage where Yaletown Park is, and the two buildings that used to be at Pender & Bute with curved corners).
This has a similar style.


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/888-camb...anley-brock-building-tower-redevelopment

The facade of the proposed tower reminds me of the addition to a building on the Beatty side:


https://www.spacelist.ca/listings/774488...ain_floor_cru_basement-837_beatty_street

The part circled below looks to be "diving into the hillside" and could benefit from a higher ceiling.

[officedweller]

117 West Pender St.

Pic by me Feb 18th of the social housing project on Pender St.




https://cltrust.ca/property/177-west-pender/

[bb1510]

Originally Posted by officedweller

There were a lot of art moderne inspired office and warehouse blocks that have been demolished over the years
(Maple Leaf Storage where Yaletown Park is, and the two buildings that used to be at Pender & Bute with curved corners).
This has a similar style.


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/888-camb...anley-brock-building-tower-redevelopment

The facade of the proposed tower reminds me of the addition to a building on the Beatty side:


https://www.spacelist.ca/listings/774488...ain_floor_cru_basement-837_beatty_street

The part circled below looks to be "diving into the hillside" and could benefit from a higher ceiling.

I wonder if that area is double or triple height like in the first interior image. It looks like the elevator banks run perpendicular to the continuous glazing along Smithe and looking at the other images, it looks like that interior courtyard space is all the way against the other side

[Zepfancouver]

Originally Posted by bb1510

Not sure why the images are so big, could a mod help resize?

Right click on image and open in new tab or window.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by bb1510

I wonder if that area is double or triple height like in the first interior image. It looks like the elevator banks run perpendicular to the continuous glazing along Smithe and looking at the other images, it looks like that interior courtyard space is all the way against the other side

Based on the floors above, the Smithe frontage looks double height, and it drops to just above single height along Cambie.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by officedweller

The part circled below looks to be "diving into the hillside" and could benefit from a higher ceiling.

From the interior renderings I assume the "ceiling" of the lobby is to at least to the "second" floor depending on how that mezzanine is setup. On the corner entrance you can see the lighting feature extends up. I can't tell if it's just on that corner it seems like there's regular rooms behind it on that level.

I'm guessing that would be the main lobby entrance since the other sides seem dedicated to F&B.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by bb1510

Not sure why the images are so big, could a mod help resize?

Postimages.org is my new go-to image hosting. It's just as good as ImageShack and Imgur used to be, but also far more user friendly with respect to resizing.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

If they needed it would they get any heritage restoration bonus for keeping the facade? Or does COV only provide that for more historically significant buildings?

Judging by what happened to the RCMP building at Cambie area and Holborn's Dunsmiur Hotel, I don't think the City, or the public in general really care about what happens to older buildings. Let's get rid of them all.

[bb1510]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

From the interior renderings I assume the "ceiling" of the lobby is to at least to the "second" floor depending on how that mezzanine is setup. On the corner entrance you can see the lighting feature extends up. I can't tell if it's just on that corner it seems like there's regular rooms behind it on that level.

I'm guessing that would be the main lobby entrance since the other sides seem dedicated to F&B.

Looks like it's the opposite. Dailyhive's article says this:

Activate [sic] streetscapes continuously front Cambie Street and Smithe Street. A hotel lounge and bar space fronts Smithe Street, and the project incorporates a public art installation beneath an entrance at the intersection corner. The major restaurant destination will front Cambie Street.

I recall it previously said what you said above with the F&B on the Smithe side and now it says this. I presume the developer corrected them if it changed

[officedweller]

These pics are along Smithe - the first is from Cambie looking down Smithe to the bridge, the second from the alley looking up Smithe.
The other pics show a double height interior space but I can't figure out the orientations.


https://www.instagram.com/walker.mckinley/p/DGUcflzJRxX/?img_index=8


https://www.instagram.com/walker.mckinley/p/DGUcflzJRxX/?img_index=13

PS - I assume the underground parking entrance will be off the alley.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by bb1510

Looks like it's the opposite. Dailyhive's article says this:

Activate [sic] streetscapes continuously front Cambie Street and Smithe Street. A hotel lounge and bar space fronts Smithe Street, and the project incorporates a public art installation beneath an entrance at the intersection corner. The major restaurant destination will front Cambie Street.

I recall it previously said what you said above with the F&B on the Smithe side and now it says this. I presume the developer corrected them if it changed

That huge grid wood shelving is the bar area fronting Smith Street from the high resolution photos. Maybe the restaurants is on the opposite side of that wall.

There's an open air kitchen in the photo of that lobby (?) staircase photo.

I'm guessing traffic circulation wise a drop off on Cambie makes more sense or some kind of basement drop off through the parkade.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I'm guessing traffic circulation wise a drop off on Cambie makes more sense or some kind of basement drop off through the parkade.

Probably off the alley, since they close Cambie at Smithe for football and soccer games.

[bb1510]

Looking at the renders in more detail, it looks like the Cambie/Smithe/lane side has about 16-18' in ceiling height to the soffit, not including the grid above based solely on the scale figures. The lane elevation is lower and has an internal stair so the ceiling height will be higher.






The Cambie entrance (where the current entrance to 888 Cambie is), presumably the restaurant, looks to be approximately 12-13' height to the soffit.




The interior space with the staircase definitely looks more like a restaurant space than a lobby given the table configuration and density. Maybe the staircase will be for a restaurant mezzanine or for a lounge or another bar above. There's an open display kitchen in the back behind the stairs.






This render looks like the continuous glazing side of Smithe given the notch in the glass and the location of the tree.




We can see the square columns beyond the elevator corridor here as well.





Based on that, I think the restaurant space will be where the 888 Cambie entrance is (the space with the staircase).


This definitely looks like the lane since it's looking towards the SAP building. Probably a secondary entrance for dropoff or valet which makes sense since there's more stopping space than on Cambie.

[bb1510]

The developer said they submitted their rezoning application. Typically how long would it be until it's public and we can see it on Shape Your City?