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[UrbanImpact]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Beautiful renders that they chose!

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by ChiND

The West Village, Chelsea, and the Meat Packing District are gorgeous, historic areas. A massive tower would detract from those neighborhoods. I’d enthusiastically embrace 2,000 foot towers in Midtown or in the West Yards, despite the NIMBYS’ disingenuous claims about the High Line. However, I would not want a colossal tower here.

I agree! It should be no taller than the Standard Hotel, which I think is kind of brutish. A similar size and height would offset that bland hotel.

[SkyHigher]

Should be something along the lines of twin pork chop shaped towers in homage to the area. Instead it appears so far design wise is a great misteak.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by NYC2ATX

Hey, the easiest way to get a 40-story building built is to propose a 60-story building, invite a controversy, and ultimately have the preservationists think they won and got away with something, while you go ahead and build your 40-story building.

Tres true.

I think something in the 30 range is the sweet spot here though.

[BK1985]

I think if the height gets cut, then they should be allowed to build the remaining buildable area on the piers across the street. while im at it might as well continue to speculate. Morris Adjmi should design since they are really good with historical context.

[DarknessIgnite]

60 stories would easily make it the tallest between midtown and the financial district. I say build it!

The city needs hundreds of thousands more units of housing. And quite frankly this part of manhattan is underbuilt.

Hopefully if this project gets built it starts a chain of similar projects across the rest of manhattan

[mrnyc]

they should definitely build as tall as possible here. like i said noone lives near it and so it literally bothers no one. any whiners who come out of the woodwork do not have a leg to stand on. hopefully that guy who has been living on the street right behind the standard for many years can get a place there.

[liat91]

Originally Posted by DarknessIgnite

60 stories would easily make it the tallest between midtown and the financial district. I say build it!

The city needs hundreds of thousands more units of housing. And quite frankly this part of manhattan is underbuilt.

Hopefully if this project gets built it starts a chain of similar projects across the rest of manhattan

I agree. A tasteful tower, but build.

[mrnyc]

^ its public housing so its not going to be toppest shelf architecture like say 80 clarkson down the street, but hopefully its tasteful and not an eyesore like that silly render. it would be nice if the local more activist minded community remained watchful over good design rather than just worry over height.

[NYguy]

https://www.villagepreservation.org/...evoort-square/

City Must Change Plans for 600-ft. Tower in the Meatpacking District, Eliminate Super-Luxury Housing

In addition to an expansion of the neighboring Whitney Museum and space for Friends of the High Line, the City is seeking to build on public land an approximately 600-ft.-tall apartment tower on Little West 12th Street between Washington and West Streets containing 600 apartments, the majority of which would be super-luxury. They are seeking to move as quickly as possible to find a developer for the project, saying they will issue a Request for Proposals in late January.

Village Preservation has expressed outrage about the plan, urging the scale be dramatically reduced, and the luxury apartments eliminated.

The City’s claims that their scheme is necessary to make building affordable housing possible and expeditious is patently false.

Tell City Officials the Supertall Tower and Luxury Apartments Must Go

[ChiND]

Presumably, the Reds and Anarchists at "Village Preservation" can't block this. Is that correct?

Down with Leninism!

[NYguy]

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...erik-bottchers

Gansevoort Square residential tower plan advances despite local councilman's pushback





NICK GARBER
EDDIE SMALL
Jan29, 2025

Mayor Eric Adams' administration is advancing plans to build a large residential tower on the city-owned site of Manhattan's last meatpacking plant — but is contending with some unexpected opposition from the local City Council member.

On Wednesday morning the city released a request for proposals for its Gansevoort Square project, which calls for developers to build up to 600 housing units and ground-floor retail on the site, located on Little West 12th Street between 10th Avenue and Washington Street in the Meatpacking District. At least half of the residential units ideally would be permanently affordable, and the city has specified that they should be funded by the developer rather than public subsidies.

EDC expects to choose the winning team by the end of the year. Officials then hope to see the land-use review process wrap up by the end of 2026 and the project completed by mid- to late-2027.

The housing site covers 10,000 square feet of the roughly 66,000-square-foot block. Because the city is giving itself a small section of the public site, a developer will need to build tall — more than 500 feet high, according to a December presentation by EDC — to accommodate the 600 homes that the city is requesting.

That has sparked early opposition from preservationists — complicating the political landscape for local Councilman Erik Bottcher, who will get final say on the project once it reaches the City Council next year. The neighborhood group Village Preservation has come out against the project, labeling the tower “ludicrously oversized.”

On Tuesday, the eve of the RFP’s release, Bottcher posted on X that he had asked the EDC to pause the solicitation, calling the planned tower “obviously out of scale for the Meatpacking District.” The stance was unexpected, given that Bottcher has typically aligned himself with pro-development causes.

[NYguy]

https://www.nyc.gov/office-of-the-ma...d-mixed-income

Mayor Adams, NYCEDC Announce Next Steps in Reimagining Gansevoort Square to Build Mixed-Income Housing, Create Open Space, and Deliver Thousands of Jobs


January 29, 2025

The Request for Proposals (RFP) outlines a vision for up to 600 units of mixed-income housing — with a goal of 50 percent of total units being permanently affordable — and ground-floor retail space, both which will be located on the residential site of Gansevoort Square.

First announced in October 2024, this bold redevelopment will transform the approximately 66,000 square feet at Gansevoort Square into mixed-income housing units, new open space, and the opportunity to expand the Whitney Museum of American Art and the High Line — cementing the Meatpacking District as a global destination, economic engine, and cultural and artistic hub for the city.

The Gansevoort Square redevelopment project — including the residential site and Whitney Museum Expansion — is expected to create 2,600 construction jobs and more than 160 permanent jobs. Finally, the full project is expected to generate $940 million in economic impact.

“We’re tackling generational, city-changing projects in all five boroughs because our administration doesn’t shy away from challenges — we embrace them as opportunities to deliver for New Yorkers,” said Mayor Adams. “Today, we’re taking the next step on an ambitious project — transforming 66,000 square feet at Gansevoort Square into 600 mixed-income housing units, massive new, open space, and the city’s next cultural and artistic hub. The potential we have here is endless, and we’re excited to take the next steps towards turning our vision into a reality. We are building a new, exciting chapter in Manhattan to make our city more affordable and the best place to raise a family."

A competitive response to this RFP must describe a comprehensive plan to accomplish the following goals:

-Deliver up to 600 mixed-income residential units with a goal of 50 percent of total units as permanently affordable;

-Achieve or exceed the goal of 50 percent of total units as permanently affordable without public subsidy by leveraging the value generated by market-rate residential units and ground-floor retail space;

-Design the site to encourage active street life and creatively design the building to become an iconic addition to the New York City skyline, joining the illustrious architecture along the High Line;

-Promote sustainability, energy efficiency, carbon neutrality, and resiliency; and

-Responsibly develop the project to advance goals of creating quality construction and building service jobs while adhering to applicable wage standards and labor protections.

Proposals are due by 11:59 PM Eastern Time on April 30, 2025. For more information and details on how to apply, visit NYCEDC’s website. NYCEDC anticipates selecting a developer by the end of 2025. The project anticipates certifying into the Uniform Land Use Review Procedure by the end of 2026, with expected completion in mid-to-late 2027.

It’s funny how “Friends of the High Line” can sing a different tune when it comes to towers and the casino proposal….


https://www.nyc.gov/office-of-the-ma...d-mixed-income

"Friends of the High Line is excited to move forward with the city and the Whitney Museum in exploring this exciting opportunity to expand our operations building to meet the growing demands of the park," said Alan van Capelle, executive director, Friends of the High Line. "Since opening 15 years ago, the High Line's physical footprint has tripled in length and grown to welcome nearly seven million annual visitors — more than 20 times initial expectations. Additional space would give us room to address the park’s evolving operations needs, serve the appetite of New Yorkers for year-round programming, and increase our impact on New York City."

[NYguy]

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...king-district/

City Council member Erik Bottcher blasted for opposing Gansevoort tower project
Is ‘out of scale’ a legitimate complaint in a city with a housing crisis?


January 29, 2025
By Erik Engquist

Manhattan Council member Erik Bottcher started a firestorm with a single tweet about the Adams administration’s plan for an apartment tower called Gansevoort Square.

“I strongly believe in the need to build more housing in all neighborhoods, but a height of 600 feet (60 stories) is obviously out of scale for the Meatpacking District,” he wrote Tuesday.

Readers pounced on the contradiction, noting that someone who “strongly” believes the city needs more housing — as Bottcher has been claiming — wouldn’t shrink a Manhattan project that would deliver 600 units, up to half of them affordable, without any public subsidy.

“Dude, what? This is straight NIMBY,” commented Peter Pierce.

“WTF are you doing — we need more housing,” Albin Henneberger chimed in.

“Very disappointing to hear this from you,” wrote Harry Heymann. “There’s no reason why we can’t build lots and lots of new housing in the Meatpacking District (and elsewhere!)”

“Erik Noooooooo Erik! You were one of the good guys!” wrote Urbanroaddiet.

Within 24 hours, more than 200 comments had piled up, all but two of them negative. Many were along the lines of, “Is that not in fucking Manhattan?” and “Move to Iowa if you hate tall buildings.”

Only two commenters took Bottcher’s side. “You’re right, Erik. Don’t cave,” one wrote.

“People are missing the point. 600 feet ~is~ out of scale for the area currently. That doesn’t mean high rises are inappropriate but a random 600-foot one certainly is,” Patrick Constant wrote. “I live in Washington Heights and we got our first high rise, 28 stories. Comparatively huge but it fits in.”

But pro-housing advocates have been fighting the notion that buildings should be limited to the heights of neighboring structures.

“Let’s stop pretending ‘out of scale’ is a legitimate complaint,” Urbanroaddiet wrote under Bottcher’s tweet.

“Let’s stop pretending ‘out of scale’ is a legitimate complaint,” Urbanroaddiet wrote under Bottcher’s tweet.

And Nat Elkins wrote, “The Empire State Building was out of scale when it was constructed as well. Should it not have been built?”

Despite the dearth of positive responses, Bottcher is not alone in opposing a 60-story tower at Gansevoort Square, a city-owned site on Little West 12th Street between Washington Street and 10th Avenue. Village Preservation, an influential advocacy group, is vociferously against it.

The well-funded nonprofit surely put Bottcher on its dartboard after he was quoted in the Adams administration’s press release announcing the project.

“I look forward to working with all stakeholders and the wider community to envision this site for cultural and park uses, along with the potential for much-needed affordable housing,” the Council member had said.
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My faith in humanity is restored.

[mrnyc]

tools gonna tool.

it’ll get a little height knocked down to save face and get built, as it should be.

same is going to happen via the southbridge posse for the proposed tower next to pace.

a little give and take is all part of the process, yeah it can be ridiculous, but both of these will be built.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

tools gonna tool.

it’ll get a little height knocked down to save face and get built, as it should be.

same is going to happen via the southbridge posse for the proposed tower next to pace.

Not likely. I would say there's a little more room to stand for this one in that regard, but even then I wouldn't count on a height chop. Both are city developments, and they aren't going to cut the number of units being proposed simply because some people object to height.

The site in both locations being constrained as they are, there is no room for that. It's the City of Yes now, and every neighborhood is going to have to carry some of the "burden" of larger structures, at least so says the mayor.






















































https://edc.nyc/gansevoort-square-mi...using-site-rfp

New York City Economic Development Corporation (“NYCEDC”) on behalf of the City of New York (the “City”) is pleased to release a request for proposals (“RFP”) seeking proposals from qualified parties for the construction of a mixed-income housing development with ground floor retail space pursuant to a long-term ground lease or sale of an approximately 10,000 square foot parcel of land at the corner of Little West 12th Street and 10th Avenue in Manhattan’s vibrant Meatpacking District (the “Site”).

Respondents must submit a proposal for a ground lease but, at their discretion, may submit an additional proposal for the fee simple acquisition of the Site. The Site currently covers two abutting areas described as follows: 1) a portion of Block 644, Lot 1, which is owned by the City and is under the jurisdiction of the Department of Small Business Services and 2) a portion of 10th Avenue currently under the jurisdiction of the New York State Department of Transportation and it is anticipated that it shall be deemed surplus and then transferred to the City and de-mapped.

The redevelopment of this Site aligns with Executive Order 43, a key part of Mayor Adams's “Get Stuff Built” plan, a three-pronged framework to address the housing supply crisis with a goal of building 500,000 homes over the next decade. The RFP is being released in connection with such initiative and underscores NYCEDC’s and the City’s commitment to expanding affordable housing options throughout all five boroughs.

NYCEDC plans to select a developer for the Site based on factors stated in the RFP which include, but are not limited to, financial feasibility, responsiveness to the project goals stated in the RFP, the respondent’s qualifications and experience, as applicable.

[BuildThemTaller]

I love the strategy of publishing the worst, lowest-quality render to try to scare people into thinking this will be a blight on the neighborhood.

[DCReid]

Although I don't really care for fat, squat buildings, I think a fat squat building fits in better with this area than some tall skinny building.

[ChiND]

What's the M&O?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by BuildThemTaller

I love the strategy of publishing the worst, lowest-quality render to try to scare people into thinking this will be a blight on the neighborhood.

It’s what they do.

Originally Posted by DCReid

Although I don't really care for fat, squat buildings, I think a fat squat building fits in better with this area than some tall skinny building.

God forbid hundreds or thousands of people have somewhere to live. It’s a residential building of 600 units on a 10,000 sf lot. It will go up, not out. And it will be on the waterfront.

Originally Posted by ChiND

What's the M&O?

Home base of the High Line.