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Please just approve or reject this project. I’m just so tired of all these public meetings.
+1, did they mention in the meeting when the next one is or when further news on the project would come about?
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+1, did they mention in the meeting when the next one is or when further news on the project would come about?
Not that I caught, Hopkins was there (surprisingly) and said at the beginning "we are very close to the end... like bottom of the 9th inning."

So take that what you will lol, not much more was given for an ETA.
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Block Club Chicago: Fern Hill’s 44-Story Old Town Tower Inches Closer To A Decision Amid Community Concerns

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Hopkins said the next steps will be to meet with Joe Schwieterman, president of the Transportation Research Forum and professor at DePaul University, to go over the traffic study more closely.

“There’s a science to this,” Hopkins said. “We’re going to look at those numbers and run them through the modeling. We need to see if it passes muster.”

He also emphasized the need to determine whether Fern Hill is willing to compromise on the aspects of the project that neighbors find most contentious.

“Will Fern Hill make some significant changes in the spirit of compromise? Is that possible? It may be,” he said. “It’s not my job to sell this proposal; it’s my job to sit with you and make a decision based on what we’re hearing.”

Hopkins assured residents that ongoing dialogue with neighborhood groups and business owners will continue in the coming weeks, with a final decision expected soon.

“We’re close to that point where we’ll either have a yes or no on this proposal,” he said.
Sounds like a decision from Ald. Hopkins is imminent.
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Ald. Hopkins rejected the current iteration. Now everyone can go full doomer

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Fern Hill has a couple nice projects proposed between Motor Row and the West Loop, so hopefully they can shift their focus there instead of continuing down this Sisyphean road.

And I hope the development community takes note on trying be accommodative to bad actors like these Old Town neighborhood groups...
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On a related note, my building with hundreds of rental units uses an app for resident updates, paying rent, reserving amenities, etc. I imagine many bigger buildings downtown use some version of this.

I'd love it if alders would begin using these as a source of feedback, where residents of these buildings in their ward might vote for their support of new development proposals. It could act as another source to gauge public sentiment, along with the community meetings.
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What a shame.
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On a related note, my building with hundreds of rental units uses an app for resident updates, paying rent, reserving amenities, etc. I imagine many bigger buildings downtown use some version of this.

I'd love it if alders would begin using these as a source of feedback, where residents of these buildings in their ward might vote for their support of new development proposals. It could act as another source to gauge public sentiment, along with the community meetings.
This is not a bad idea.

Another method that could work is the method they use here in the 47th ward to vote in participatory budgeting where you provide your info to the alder's office and they provide a code to be able to vote. This is not perfect, but certainly better than just the community meeting method. Its at least all done online, so should get a much wider response than a meeting.
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Might be as simple as making a few small tweaks and then the Alderman can say to his constituents, "See, I won these concessions through my hard-ball negotiation tactics!" That happens.

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17 more community meetings should be able to straighten out all the kinks.

And if not, then just 17 more after that.

Gotta make sure ALL the voices are heard!
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Not surprised, Hopkins is an idiot who bends over to NIMBYs a LOT.
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I mean, why waste all the developer’s time and money if you’re just going to reject their proposal. You strung them along when they could have been pursuing a project that may actually happen

I’m not really surprised at this result. I’m just disappointed. The NIMBYs won. Of course they did. But at last, I guess we’ve reached the end of the saga, never quite reached the double digits of community meetings.
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I mean, why waste all the developer’s time and money if you’re just going to reject their proposal. You strung them along when they could have been pursuing a project that may actually happen

I’m not really surprised at this result. I’m just disappointed. The NIMBYs won. Of course they did. But at last, I guess we’ve reached the end of the saga, never quite reached the double digits of community meetings.
+1, seems like the system is terrible and flawed.

Anyway, I wonder if the next iteration will be much smaller or shorter or if just nothing will go here.
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I mean, why waste all the developer’s time and money if you’re just going to reject their proposal. You strung them along when they could have been pursuing a project that may actually happen

I’m not really surprised at this result. I’m just disappointed. The NIMBYs won. Of course they did. But at last, I guess we’ve reached the end of the saga, never quite reached the double digits of community meetings.
I hope the developer can sue for pre-development costs incurred so far, both the alderman's office and any neighborhood organizations that organized against it. It probably doesn't work that way, but it should, because I guarantee that the developer has already spent hundreds of thousands of dollars getting it to this point, and they are probably on the hook for a lot more from any partners or consultants that they worked with to get the development, possibly even lawsuits against them for any damages.

If it was a proposal that was totally out of line with the neighborhood, perhaps an argument could be made against it, but this is just a boneheaded decision by the alderdork.
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This dude Hopkins was totally cool ramming (rahmming?) Lincoln Yards down the neighbors' throats despite rabid hysteria, but this is being rejected? I guess Fern Hill didn't grease the right palms...
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Paywalled. Seems like fern hill is coming back with a smaller proposal.

Hopkins can still pound sand.
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^ Here's what I found via DevTools lol
2nd Ward Ald. Brian Hopkins supports the new proposal and will allow it to proceed to the Plan Commission Feb. 20. In a Jan. 24 newsletter to constituents, Hopkins announced he wouldn’t support the 500-unit plan in the face of neighborhood pushback over the project's size.

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“Since 2021, we have led a collaborative, comprehensive community engagement process to reimagine parts of the North and LaSalle corridor. Throughout this process, we have held dozens of meetings with community leaders, organizations, members and residents to collect feedback which has informed every element of the plan we have today,” Fern Hill President Nick Anderson said in a statement.

Hopkins said the revised proposal won't be enough to get the strongest opponents of the project on board, but "for others, it will be."
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"I have actually found significant support from community leaders who recognize the need for economic development in Old Town," Hopkins told Crain's. "A reasonable compromise has to be forged, and it can be difficult and negotiations can be contentious, and I can tell you, these were."

Twenty percent of the units will still be affordably priced in the revised plans, Fern Hill said. The developer also reduced the number of proposed parking spaces to 333 from 450. The spots will serve building residents and employees and members of Moody Church.

The developer is funding proposed traffic mitigation measures, which aim to alleviate congestion and enhance pedestrian safety. Those changes include eliminating existing curb cuts, installing new curb extensions to reduce pedestrian crossing distance and time, installing a new Divvy bike-share station on Wells Street, putting in a new protected right turn lane from LaSalle Drive to North Avenue, adding a dedicated North Avenue bus stop lane, and demolishing the nearby BP and Shell gas stations.

“This proposal will breathe new life into the community by revitalizing long-vacant properties, brightening an otherwise dark and uninviting block, improving walkability in the corridor, closing the two area gas stations that have been riddled by violent crime, expanding affordable housing to individuals and families and increasing the customer base for local businesses who have been suffering from lost revenues,” Anderson said.

The cost of those improvements totals $1 million, Hopkins said, and further improvements in a later phase including a reconstruction of Clark Street will be funded by the Chicago Department of Transportation.

Fern Hill will also have three and a half years from the time the project is approved to have a lease in place for a grocery store to occupy the vacant Treasure Island building, according to a new, legally binding agreement, Hopkins said. He also noted that Walgreens has told his office the company plans to keep the store at that location open.

The cost of those improvements totals $1 million, Hopkins said, and further improvements in a later phase including a reconstruction of Clark Street will be funded by the Chicago Department of Transportation.


Fern Hill will also have three and a half years from the time the project is approved to have a lease in place for a grocery store to occupy the vacant Treasure Island building, according to a new, legally binding agreement, Hopkins said. He also noted that Walgreens has told his office the company plans to keep the store at that location open.
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Looks like per the Crain's article, 379 ft is around comparable to The Aurelien Apts in Gold Coast area.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Old Town nimbys still have a problem with this height. Many of them touted they want something like 3-5 stories tall.
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Might be as simple as making a few small tweaks and then the Alderman can say to his constituents, "See, I won these concessions through my hard-ball negotiation tactics!" That happens.
A 100 foot shave off the top isn't exactly a small tweak, but more or less on point here.
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