Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Metro-One]

Doesn’t even need to be 3, you could make it 10 strikes, and that would still weed out 95% of the repeat offenders that are causing the lion’s share of trouble.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Doesn’t even need to be 3, you could make it 10 strikes, and that would still weed out 95% of the repeat offenders that are causing the lion’s share of trouble.

They just need one more chance..

[logan5]

What facility do we lock this person away in? He is not criminally responsible, so we need a psychiatric facility that we don't have. The feds and the Provinces need to bite the bullet and build proper institutions for these people. I'm all in. If my taxes are raised to do it, I'm fine with that. It would be totally worth it.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by logan5

What facility do we lock this person away in? He is not criminally responsible, so we need a psychiatric facility that we don't have. The feds and the Provinces need to bite the bullet and build proper institutions for these people. I'm all in. If my taxes are raised to do it, I'm fine with that. It would be totally worth it.

Two facilities are due to open by May. https://globalnews.ca/news/10946805/involuntary-care-2-facilities-spring/

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

Two facilities are due to open by May. https://globalnews.ca/news/10946805/involuntary-care-2-facilities-spring/

They open the beds and medical practitioners don't want to send anyone there.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by logan5

What facility do we lock this person away in? He is not criminally responsible, so we need a psychiatric facility that we don't have. The feds and the Provinces need to bite the bullet and build proper institutions for these people. I'm all in. If my taxes are raised to do it, I'm fine with that. It would be totally worth it.

Oh please, who cares. Throw them in the jail. The party’s about to come to a screeching halt for the “but the poor dear is just sick” crowd.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Oh please, who cares. Throw them in the jail. The party’s about to come to a screeching halt for the “but the poor dear is just sick” crowd.

There are laws that have to be followed. You can't just throw people in jail for life just because you feel like it. If we have a facility that is suitable, so he can be locked away appropriately, at least when he gets out he might decide to move move on to a different location. Vancouver takes on way too many of these very high maintenance people.

Open a facility around Oakridge...

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by logan5

There are laws that have to be followed. You can't just throw people in jail for life just because you feel like it. If we have a facility that is suitable, so he can be locked away appropriately, at least when he gets out he might decide to move move on to a different location. Vancouver takes on way too many of these very high maintenance people.

Open a facility around Oakridge...

We should be able to throw people in jail for life when they e got a record as long as your arm spanning years. If the current Supreme Court doesn’t allow it, change the court.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

Kamala Harris was never governor of California, but I know reality is something you aren't particularly concerned about.

My mistake for quoting the wrong position for Harris, and I know it's your mission (and others) to pin-point my mistake and highlight it out of proportion. However, Harris being the AG is equally guilty, and it is appalling that you did not even mention this per the main argument in this thread.

Originally Posted by Changing City

Impressive Vin, even for your thin grasp of reality.

'Harris' was never governor of California.

The legislation that allowed shoplifting under $950 to be considered as a misdemeanor, rather than a felony, was introduced as a result of Prop 47, that was supported by a majority of California voters. There is no evidence that Kamala Harris ever supported Prop 47.

That was a lie by Donald Trump.

Same deal for you. Also, how do you know I was talking only about Prop 47? Fact is that she wasn't one of those who would change Cali for the better when it comes to crime and lawlessness.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by logan5

There are laws that have to be followed. You can't just throw people in jail for life just because you feel like it. If we have a facility that is suitable, so he can be locked away appropriately, at least when he gets out he might decide to move move on to a different location. Vancouver takes on way too many of these very high maintenance people.

Open a facility around Oakridge...

Change the law to throw them in jail. Simple.

I'm sure when someone attacks you or your family, you don't defend yourself even if you feel like it.

[logan5]

lol. Forget it.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by giallo

That's.......ridiculous. I saw the video of the incident. It was brutal.

It was attempted murder. He stabbed the poor guy multiple times.

The Tim Hortons stabber was AWOL from his half-way house and just arrested again.

https://vpd.ca/news/2025/01/16/update-vpd-re-arrests-man-wanted-canada-wide/

[giallo]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

The Tim Hortons stabber was AWOL from his half-way house and just arrested again.

https://vpd.ca/news/2025/01/16/update-vpd-re-arrests-man-wanted-canada-wide/

Expected, but I'm glad they found him quickly.

This guy shouldn't be allowed out of jail or a mental facility for a long time, if ever. It's not rocket science. He's an extreme risk to the people of this city.

[jollyburger]

At least they can get treated right away?

'People were terrified,' says Port Moody hospital nurse as machete-wielding patient threatened staff

In a split second, she saw everything at once: three metres from her, two coworkers in a freeze frame in front of a room. The door swung open.

“This man comes out of the room waving a machete at my coworkers uttering threats to kill us.”

One nurse fled down a corridor. Another locked herself in a treatment room.

Treacy picked up the phone to dial security but panicked, hung up, then sprang into action.

“We have to get out. I don’t know what he is going to do, but the intent is to harm us.”

They had to get the patients out, too. Everyone was at risk.

Treacy started yelling for people to get out. Others cleared treatment, triage and waiting rooms while the man swung the machete around wildly.

“People were terrified,” said Treacy.

In the chaos, she heard a “code white” being called over the PA.

“Code white means everyone in the hospital has to come to help us,” said Treacy.

Her panic increased: anyone who came from another floor was in danger.

The call over the PA was quickly changed to “code silver,” which means don’t come.

Treacy called 911. “I had no idea where security was,” said Treacy.

https://vancouversun.com/news/national/p...achete-wielding-patient-threatened-staff

[whatnext]

How does someone get into a hospital with a machete? I realize they don’t want barriers to people legitimately needing treatment but there has to be better security. Having has a family member spend some time in hospital lately I can tell you the staff I saw were all busting their butts and keeping a remarkably upbeat outlook. They deserve better.

[jollyburger]

Should have spent more time processing his visa instead of protesting.

Vancouver climate activist accused of violating study permit faces deportation ... again

Climate justice activist Zain Haq is days away from deportation despite what he calls widespread community support and the intervention of Immigration Minister Marc Miller.

“My deportation is scheduled again, for Jan. 25,” said Haq.

Haq was originally scheduled for deportation last April 22, but was granted a six-month temporary residency permit so he could apply for permanent residence through spousal sponsorship, a process that can take an indeterminate amount of time.

Haq said he followed appropriate steps and applied for an extension to his temporary residency permit in October 2024.

But on Dec. 6, CBSA informed him that his temporary residency permit had run out, and the deportation order would be reinstated. He was ordered to purchase a plane ticket to Pakistan.

Haq said if he is deported, it will be because of a bureaucratic error: His extension application wasn’t processed because the federal Immigration Department lost it.

Haq has a Fed Ex receipt showing the application was sent to the correct address and a receipt for the application fee payment.

Now he is appealing to Miller to intervene again.

He calls the bureaucratic error “Kafkaesque” and the CBSA’s use of a technicality to reinstate his deportation “surreal.”

A climate activist from the age of 12, Haq came to Canada in 2019 on a study permit. Once in Canada he quickly became a leader in the climate movement, participating in actions with Extinction Rebellion, and Save Old Growth, which he co-founded.

In 2021, Haq led a successful campaign to get Simon Fraser University to divest from fossil fuels.

That year Haq was one of 17 protesters arrested after a protest on the Burrard Bridge blocked routes to St. Paul’s Hospital.

On Feb. 15, 2022, he was sentenced to two weeks in jail for criminal contempt of court after violating an injunction involving the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.

He was arrested again on Oct. 25, 2021, after he and other protesters blocked Grant McConachie Way preventing access to Vancouver International Airport. Eventually police asked them to disperse.

In 2022, CBSA revoked his student visa, saying he was not meeting the academic requirements. At a Federal Court hearing Haq’s application to delay the deportation was dismissed, but shortly before he was slated to leave Canada, Canada Border Services Agency informed him that his deportation had been cancelled.

“It is our understanding that minister Miller intervened,” said Haq.

Haq said he and his wife Sophie have been married for two years, and working their way through the spousal sponsorship process. They’ve bought a home together in Mt. Pleasant, celebrated two Christmases with his new Canadian family, and were looking forward to more.

Haq said he and his wife Sophie are devastated.

“My main priority right now is preserving my relationship with Sophie in Canada, and I hope to return SFU to finish my degree in history,” said Haq.

If he gets sent back to Pakistan, the spousal sponsorship application automatically gets cancelled and can take up to three years to process, said Haq.

“Canada is my home,” said Haq.

Haq poses no threat to public safety, said his lawyer Randall Cohn in a statement in response to the latest deportation threat.

“Zain Haq is not a violent criminal, and his mischievous convictions do not meet the legal threshold for serious criminality.”

“This is a moment for Canada to show the world what fairness and democracy truly mean,” federal Green Leader Elizabeth May said. “Minister Miller has shown leadership and integrity before, and I am confident he can do so again to prevent an unjust outcome. This is not just about Zain — it’s about ensuring that Canada upholds its values of democracy and justice.”

https://vancouversun.com/news/climate-activist-study-permit-deportation-again

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Should have spent more time processing his visa instead of protesting.



https://vancouversun.com/news/climate-activist-study-permit-deportation-again

How much taxpayer money has been sucked dealing with this leech? Forwarding the story to the Cons’ immigration critic so they can put him on the first boat back after they get elected.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by whatnext

How much taxpayer money has been sucked dealing with this leech? Forwarding the story to the Cons’ immigration critic so they can put him on the first boat back after they get elected.

How is he a "leech"?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

How is he a "leech"?

Leeching away police and judicial resources to deal with someone who clearly violated terms of his visa.

[jollyburger]

Found the first guest of the new never letting you out in public mental ward.



https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/vancouver-stranger-attack-suspect-kent-douglas-meades

Accused in B.C. violence spree may be found not criminally responsible

The trial of a man facing multiple assault and threat charges stemming from a Vancouver violence spree, including a stabbing, might be found not criminally responsible due to a mental disorder.

Kent Douglas Meades appeared before Vancouver Provincial Court Judge Eugene Jamieson on Wednesday on three counts of assault with a weapon and one each of aggravated assault, uttering threats, mischief and breach of probation.

“There was a break from reality,” forensic psychiatrist Dr. Mandeep Singh Saini testified.

“He believed he was justified,” Saini said. “Most people would think that was irrational.”


And, that, Saini told the judge, was “the pathway” to a finding of not criminally responsible due to a mental disorder.

Meades was released March 15, 2024, from Fraser Regional Correctional Centre where he was serving time for uttering threats against his family and “prominent” politicians.

He was soon arrested on Cambie Street in connection with the stabbing of a 61-year-old man.

Saini told the court Jan. 22 that Meades targeted the man “because he wanted to send a message that corporate greed was no longer going to be taken.”

“He saw the man as a symbol of corporate greed,” Saini said.

An agreed statement of facts has been filed with the court but a copy was not immediately available from the registry.

The arrest was made after a series of incidents was reported across the city’s downtown.

In the first incident, a man was randomly attacked while walking near Seymour and West Cordova streets.

Minutes later, a 911 caller reported that a man entered a coffee shop near Harbour Centre, where a window was broken and caused customers to fear for their safety.

More than two hours later, a man walking near Main and Prior streets was chased by a stranger, who lunged and yelled at him.

The man ran from the attacker before police were called to Smithe and Beatty streets for a report of a man stabbing another man and chasing others with a knife.

Shortly after he was arrested on Cambie Street, police learned the man was apparently involved in an additional assault.

Saini told the judge that Meades has a schizo-affective disorder, bipolar type. The psychiatrist said Meades continues to have paranoid and grandiose delusional behaviours.

Saini said some of that revolves around politics, world conflicts and geopolitics.

“He knew what he was doing,” Saini said. “He understood what he was doing, the act of stabbing. He knew that this action was wrong . . . but he could not rationally appreciate that knowledge in a meaningful way.”

Vancouver police Chief Const. Adam Palmer said at the time of the incidents that Meades was previously in jail in Thailand for breaking into a bank, causing damage to the bank and overstaying his tourist visa before returning to Canada in 2022.

The events in Vancouver led to statements from both Palmer and Mayor Ken Sim.

The latter acknowledged such cases caused concerns about public safety.

"Every person who calls Vancouver home, visits our city or who simply wants to enjoy our public spaces deserves to feel safe and secure," Sim said.

"The safety of Vancouverites, visitors and tourists is non-negotiable.”

https://www.nsnews.com/highlights/accuse...ound-not-criminally-responsible-10115876