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Old Posted Jan 13, 2025, 5:29 PM
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YYC-MEX Starts May 14, up to 5x weekly

WS2200 YYC 19:45 - 00:58+1 MEX 737 13457
WS2215 MEX 01:55 - 07:15 YYC 737 12456

Also looks like an expanded AM codeshare was announced and includes GDL, MID, MTY, CUU, BJX.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2025, 7:43 PM
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YYC-MEX Starts May 14, up to 5x weekly

WS2200 YYC 19:45 - 00:58+1 MEX 737 13457
WS2215 MEX 01:55 - 07:15 YYC 737 12456

Also looks like an expanded AM codeshare was announced and includes GDL, MID, MTY, CUU, BJX.
Interesting flight times ( I like them). Red eye flights are a good use of the frame. Glad they got a slot at MEX
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2025, 7:57 PM
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Interesting flight times ( I like them). Red eye flights are a good use of the frame. Glad they got a slot at MEX
Will onward codeshared connections in MEX be possible at that time of the night, or will passengers need to layover?
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2025, 8:08 PM
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Will onward codeshared connections in MEX be possible at that time of the night, or will passengers need to layover?
It connects with the early AM bank of departures around 5:30/6:00. The press release specifically mentions Chihuahua, Guadalajara, Guanajuato, Merida and Monterrey, all of which including CUN depart around 6am.

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/news/2025/...ary-route-set-to-take-off-in-summer-2025
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Interesting flight times ( I like them). Red eye flights are a good use of the frame. Glad they got a slot at MEX
There was a flight cap, but now that cargo has moved out of MEX, it was probably not that hard to get slots at 1-2am, especially when an unserved destination is involved.

I think ideally, WS would have wanted more decent flight times, but beggars can't be choosers when it comes to airports like LHR or MEX.

Let's see if these hours will work out. It's good usage for a frame, but as a passenger, it's still shitty flight times. It might be good for the lower yielding connecting traffic, but the higher yielding O&D crowd might avoid these flights, due to the late night hours involved. Mind you, back in 2018, WS launched MEX during daytime hours, and that didnt work out either, so who knows, maybe this is the way to go.

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Old Posted Jan 14, 2025, 7:02 AM
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It connects with the early AM bank of departures around 5:30/6:00. The press release specifically mentions Chihuahua, Guadalajara, Guanajuato, Merida and Monterrey, all of which including CUN depart around 6am.

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/news/2025/...ary-route-set-to-take-off-in-summer-2025
Umm sure I guess technically this is a connection but so is a 25 hour connection when a flight isn't daily.

Who, though, in their right mind is going to plan to spend 4.5 hours at Mexico's airport between 1am and 5:30am for an "onward connection". It would probably be easier to connect in Cancun then Mexico City. This seems like one of those "throw it at a wall and see if it sticks" schedule that other airlines seem to get ridiculed for.
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There was a flight cap, but now that cargo has moved out of MEX, it was probably not that hard to get slots at 1-2am, especially when an unserved destination is involved.

I think ideally, WS would have wanted more decent flight times, but beggars can't be choosers when it comes to airports like LHR or MEX.

Let's see if these hours will work out. It's good usage for a frame, but as a passenger, it's still shitty flight times. It might be good for the lower yielding connecting traffic, but the higher yielding O&D crowd might avoid these flights, due to the late night hours involved. Mind you, back in 2018, WS launched MEX during daytime hours, and that didn't work out either, so who knows, maybe this is the way to go.
Its going to be an issue somewhere. Say WS did a 10AM AT YYC flight time, you can pull some Canadian connections in the morning. Flight lands at around 4PM local. Leaves Mexico City at 5PM local and and lands close to midnight with no connections in Calgary.

This timing at least allows some connections although you are sleeping in the Airport in Mexico.

AC 993 (from Toronto) lands about the same time as the westjet flight but there focus will be O&D I assume.
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2025, 6:10 PM
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Umm sure I guess technically this is a connection but so is a 25 hour connection when a flight isn't daily.

Who, though, in their right mind is going to plan to spend 4.5 hours at Mexico's airport between 1am and 5:30am for an "onward connection". It would probably be easier to connect in Cancun then Mexico City. This seems like one of those "throw it at a wall and see if it sticks" schedule that other airlines seem to get ridiculed for.
I'm not disagreeing the flight times aren't ideal. A 4.5-5 hour connection wouldn't bother me either, as you would eat some of that time with customs, re-checking your bag and security etc.

I feel like if Mexico City was your destination, then these flight times becomes dreadful. Arriving at 1am means getting to your hotel at 3am, and returning usually you check out at 11am and now have to wait around for like 13 hours until 2am for your departure.

I looked up the previous schedule WS had when it ran YYC-MEX back in 2018:

YYC 10:10 - 16:20 MEX
MEX 17:20 - 21:35 YYC

Going to guess that the 00:58/01:55 were the only slots available to them. And this is better then being forced to use the even more undesirable NLU.

I also looked up in comparison how AC schedules its flights at MEX and they also arrives that late too, AC995 from YUL at 23:55 / AC996 from YVR at 00:05 and AC993 from YYZ at 00:55.
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2025, 6:28 PM
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PD have extended YOW-FLL and YOW-LAS to year-round service. FLL will be maintained daily throughout the summer while LAS will be 3x weekly.

PD651 0855 YOW LAS 1115 days 357
PD652 1210 LAS YOW 1945 days 357

PD517 1550 YOW FLL 1935 daily
PD512 1345 FLL YOW 1710 daily

I wonder it the other 4x weekly for the LAS aircraft will be used to launch seasonal YOW-YYJ this summer?
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YEG-YLW-YEG over the last 24hrs. Fares ranged from $350-1150 return. Nice to see a 738 on the route, but it was only 2/3 full. Their expansion is going well and I could see far more demand for this flight and other incoming destinations as the evolution of Kelowna continues. Here's hoping those fares drop.

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Old Posted Jan 15, 2025, 7:32 AM
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I'm not disagreeing the flight times aren't ideal. A 4.5-5 hour connection wouldn't bother me either, as you would eat some of that time with customs, re-checking your bag and security etc.

I feel like if Mexico City was your destination, then these flight times becomes dreadful. Arriving at 1am means getting to your hotel at 3am, and returning usually you check out at 11am and now have to wait around for like 13 hours until 2am for your departure.

I looked up the previous schedule WS had when it ran YYC-MEX back in 2018:

YYC 10:10 - 16:20 MEX
MEX 17:20 - 21:35 YYC

Going to guess that the 00:58/01:55 were the only slots available to them. And this is better then being forced to use the even more undesirable NLU.

I also looked up in comparison how AC schedules its flights at MEX and they also arrives that late too, AC995 from YUL at 23:55 / AC996 from YVR at 00:05 and AC993 from YYZ at 00:55.
I feel like flights to Mexico City have always been weird times, I took Air Canada there in 2012 and had to get a cab super late night into the city. Probably made the commute faster but I didn't like arriving so late (don't remember exact time, but after 10pm for sure). For what it's worth, AC arrives earlier from YVR, YYZ, and YUL to MEX starting March 9th. YUL will arrive in MEX at 22:55 instead of 23:55, YYZ will arrive at 23:45, instead of 00:45, and YVR will be 22:50 instead of 00:05. So exactly 1hr earlier for YUL and YYZ, and 1hr 15mins from YVR, not sure why the weird 15 min differnce lol, my OCD hates that.

I can't believe it was all the way back in 2018 they last flew YYC-YYC, wow time flies it feels like way sooner. It wasn't worth the hoop la but that's WS for ya, nothing to hate on, just funny. A solid route to reinstate, even if not the best time to launch it considering the sad state of affairs between Canada and Mexico with the visas etc). Really put the brakes on an otherwise booming travel market, WS should still do fine with 5x weekly and codeshares, so a good level of service. If the travel/visas/foreign student/NPR drama hadn't unfolded, it would help everyone.

The fact that AM doesn't reinstate 2x daily service YUL or YYZ to MEX until June 26th is wild, they seem to have been hit with the brunt of demand loss from the above issues. AC service from all 3 was always pretty conservative already, so stayed the same. But AM was adding capacity before, and then stopped/pulled back. Summer they are 2x daily on YVR, YYZ, and YUL, no variation from what I can see. With multiple flights, they offer another option for arrival. YVR flights arrive at 06:10 and 14:30, from YYZ at 04:20 and 14:20, and from YUL at 02:45 and 15:00. The 04:20 and 02:45 YYZ and YUL arrivals are foul, would avoid at all costs. Funny how all three Canadian airports arrive so close together in the afternoon (first and last arrival are 40 mins apart) but so spread at "night" (first and last are 3h 25 mins apart).

Anyways, good luck YYC, this should be a more solid add this time!
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JetBlue coming to Halifax.

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NEW: JetBlue will add several new cities to its network:



• Norfolk, VA (ORF)
• Traverse City, MI (TVC)
• Wilmington, NC (ILM)
Halifax, Canada (YHZ)
• San Pedro Sula, Honduras (SAP)

More details coming later.

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B6 to YHZ is rather surprising. Here's the schedule:
B6 1826 YHZ-BOS 0700-0727
B6 1831 BOS-YHZ 2045-2324
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I feel like I haven't heard anything (good or bad) about Flair in quite some time. Are they hanging in?
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If they do go under, please, for the love of Jorge, don’t let Westjet scoop up any of their aircraft so they can Swoopinate them. I swear that an all economy aircraft is right up AVH’s alley but Westjet customers sure don’t like them.

Speaking of all economy aircraft, has Westjet converted any of their newly Swoopinated aircraft to the Westjet standard? Or is there even a timeline that’s been set?
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If they do go under, please, for the love of Jorge, don’t let Westjet scoop up any of their aircraft so they can Swoopinate them. I swear that an all economy aircraft is right up AVH’s alley but Westjet customers sure don’t like them.

Speaking of all economy aircraft, has Westjet converted any of their newly Swoopinated aircraft to the Westjet standard? Or is there even a timeline that’s been set?
Most likely waiting for Seats/interior to be manufactured or someone to install?
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B6 to YHZ is rather surprising. Here's the schedule:
B6 1826 YHZ-BOS 0700-0727
B6 1831 BOS-YHZ 2045-2324
Yes & its good JetBlue will be giving Air Canada some competition on Halifax YHZ - Boston BOS route in (S25)✅.
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YYC-MEX Starts May 14, up to 5x weekly

WS2200 YYC 19:45 - 00:58+1 MEX 737 13457
WS2215 MEX 01:55 - 07:15 YYC 737 12456

Also looks like an expanded AM codeshare was announced and includes GDL, MID, MTY, CUU, BJX.
That’s great!

Also WS WestJet today announced a 1x weekly Calgary YYC - New York LaGuardia Airport (LGA) for Summer 2025, operating on Saturdays from May 24-August 30 .

WS adding it, is a response to AA American Airlines also adding the YYC - LGA route 1x weekly operating on Saturdays, from June 7th to end of August✅

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/start-spreadin-news-westjet-announces-150000488.html

https://www.paxnews.com/news/airline/wes...y-new-york-laguardia-flights-summer-2025

With that YYC - NYC area has 16x weekly flights
AC Air Canada YYC- Newark EWR 7x weekly
WS WestJet YYC- New York JFK 7x weekly
WS WestJet YYC - New York LaGuardia 1x weekly
AA American Airlines YYC - New York LaGuardia LGA 1x weekly
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AIR CANADA 1H25 BEIJING SERVICE REDUCTIONS

Air Canada in recent schedule update revised planned service on Vancouver – Beijing Capital route, scheduled to resume tomorrow (15JAN25). Initially scheduled as 1 daily flight, the airline is reducing to following until late-May 2025.

15JAN25 – 21JAN25 6 weekly
22JAN25 – 31JAN25 5 weekly
01FEB25 – 28MAR25 4 weekly (selected weeks 5 weekly)
29MAR25 – 31MAY25 5 weekly

Boeing 787-9 operates this route, with following schedules focusing on the period of 31MAR25 – 27MAY25.

AC029 YVR1220 – 1610+1PEK 789 x37
AC030 PEK1805 – 1410YVR 789 x14

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/250114-ac1h25pek
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