VCC Broadway Campus Redevelopment

[madog222]

Originally Posted by whatnext

$7? That's a helluva deal for someone!

It's unclear to me from that article, will the SPCA be selling the site to somebody or is the money just a government grant with no exchange of property?

Ahh, I see what I wrote that was a bit unclear. The $7M is a grant from the province for constructing the SPCA's new building.
The SPCA was previously looking at selling the site [listing] while maintaining a tenancy and be part of the future redevelopment. It's not public what their current plan is but the Broadway Plan doesn't allow residential there.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by madog222

...The SPCA was previously looking at selling the site while maintaining a tenancy and be part of the future redevelopment. It's not public what their current plan is but the Broadway Plan doesn't allow residential there.

Oh that's interesting. Last I heard was they had some donations to specifically be used if they were in charge (specific architects and stuff). But I guess securing certain designers, and tenancy one obviously doesn't need to own the land & building.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Oh that's interesting. Last I heard was they had some donations to specifically be used if they were in charge (specific architects and stuff). But I guess securing certain designers, and tenancy one obviously doesn't need to own the land & building.

They would definitely need a partnership or partial/full land sale in order to maximize the density, the site can support up to around 175,000 sqft with 1/3 industrial. From the CTV storey on the funding the SPCA is planning for ~29,000 sqft (animal centre & hospital) that would count towards industrial plus a 5k sqft education centre.

[madog222]

Building Permit was submitted last month.

[jollyburger]

They said they break ground next year.

BC Business article from December 15

https://www.bcbusiness.ca/Inside-Van...needed-housing

[giallo]

The VCC Station area is going to become quite the hub. I live next to VCC, so (depending on how long I live in my current apartment) I'll be able to do a lot of updates easily.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Just noticed an update on that new VCC automotive building.

https://www.vcc.ca/about/college-inf...-building.html

All the trees and light standards are down now.

[jollyburger]

Their clearing permit is in review but the excavation permit got issued today

This permit is to allow the removal of existing asphalt pavement, curbs, signage, bollards and other similar elements that are exclusively within the property, and to allow site stripping to a maximum depth of 6 inches in preparation for excavation & shoring work under a separate building permit (main).

https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public...ctId=236256973

STAGED CONSTRUCTION
Stage 1 - Excavation & Shoring - [BP in advance of DP] - (Reza.H)
ISSUED: July 31, 2024

https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public...ctId=218279887

[madog222]

From Zepf

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

This evening, working an office space on the 6th floor of the Vancouver Community College 1155 East Broadway.
I (holy man) see a hole, I capture and post, but I have no info, it looks like a large project.
The building in the background, I've seen posted on SSP.

My pics - 4pm today













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[Vin]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

If you consider a swamp waterfront property.

It wasn't a swamp, but a decent waterway going up east to the cuts.
If maintained as it was, it would be like the Gorge waterway you see in Victoria today. The filling in of Main Street at where Science World is today to make it a causeway essentially cut off this waterway and turned it into a swamp. However, if well-maintained, it could still be a beautiful lake today: similar to Lost Lagoon at Stanley Park.

Main Street when it was still a bridge: on the left is the continuation of Falsecreek to the east:
https://samsullivan.ca/short-history-false-creek/

Old Map of Vancouver:
https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/sea2cit...5/photos/16409

Gorge waterway in Victoria:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@48.44067...oASAFQAw%3D%3D

SpongeG was correct saying that the City could've sold a lot more waterfront properties if it remained a waterway.

VCC Construction Today:
With all the construction going on in this area, I am wondering if it would face a lot of settlement issues similar to Richmond and other low-ground areas. I see the foundation pit for the VCC project very large. As I don't see any pilings here, are they utilizing the "float foundation" design for this?

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Vin

It wasn't a swamp, but a decent waterway going up east to the cuts.
If maintained as it was, it would be like the Gorge waterway you see in Victoria today. The filling in of Main Street at where Science World is today to make it a causeway essentially cut off this waterway and turned it into a swamp. However, if well-maintained, it could still be a beautiful lake today: similar to Lost Lagoon at Stanley Park.

There isn't enough waterflow into the east portion of False Creek which is why I called it a swamp or probably more accurately described as floodplain, tidal mudflat or whatever.



https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/...15th-sept-1906

Old plan to create berths/industrial land in the False Creek Flats

https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/...to-false-creek

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

It wasn't a swamp, but a decent waterway going up east to the cuts.
If maintained as it was, it would be like the Gorge waterway you see in Victoria today. The filling in of Main Street at where Science World is today to make it a causeway essentially cut off this waterway and turned it into a swamp. However, if well-maintained, it could still be a beautiful lake today: similar to Lost Lagoon at Stanley Park.

Old Map of Vancouver:

VCC Construction Today:
With all the construction going on in this area, I am wondering if it would face a lot of settlement issues similar to Richmond and other low-ground areas. I see the foundation pit for the VCC project very large. As I don't see any pilings here, are they utilizing the "float foundation" design for this?

Another total fantasy. False Creek east of the narrow neck where the Main Street Bridge was built was shallow. It didn't have any significant water running into it, just a few small streams that came from springs further up the slope to the south and east. George Richards called it False Creek because there wasn't even a proper creek, with any navigable channel.

It was absolutely nothing like the Gorge in Victoria. It became increasingly shallow (and reportedly smelly) to the east, with large areas of mud flats at low tide.

The cut didn't exist until it was created by the Great Northern (and Canadian Northern Pacific) to access the filled in Creek lands that then allowed them to build their new stations and rail yards.

The VCC site doen't need any piling because, as you can see from the picture of the hole, the land there is the same glacial material that you find in most of the Downtown and northern part of the city, that allows excavation with minimal support to the sides of the hole, with shotcrete.

[GenWhy?]

EDIT: Removed as I see Changing posted a more thorough response.

[GenWhy?]

I do find it interesting that the soil conditions are not soft. That was a neat bit of geo news. I thought it would be like Port Moody's swap area underneath

[madog222]

This site, save for a small sliver of the NE corner, is above the historic shoreline, no fill here.

Originally Posted by Vin

It wasn't a swamp, but a decent waterway going up east to the cuts.
If maintained as it was, it would be like the Gorge waterway you see in Victoria today.

A far better example would be the mud flats at the eastern end of Burrard Inlet in Port Moody.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

There isn't enough waterflow into the east portion of False Creek which is why I called it a swamp or probably more accurately described as floodplain, tidal mudflat or whatever.



https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/...15th-sept-1906

Old plan to create berths/industrial land in the False Creek Flats

https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/...to-false-creek

LOL, oh really. See below.

Originally Posted by Changing City

Another total fantasy. False Creek east of the narrow neck where the Main Street Bridge was built was shallow. It didn't have any significant water running into it, just a few small streams that came from springs further up the slope to the south and east. George Richards called it False Creek because there wasn't even a proper creek, with any navigable channel.

It was absolutely nothing like the Gorge in Victoria. It became increasingly shallow (and reportedly smelly) to the east, with large areas of mud flats at low tide.

The cut didn't exist until it was created by the Great Northern (and Canadian Northern Pacific) to access the filled in Creek lands that then allowed them to build their new stations and rail yards.

The VCC site doen't need any piling because, as you can see from the picture of the hole, the land there is the same glacial material that you find in most of the Downtown and northern part of the city, that allows excavation with minimal support to the sides of the hole, with shotcrete.

Fantasy? You said it yourself. It became swampy, shallow and stinky, and that was because it was cut off at Main. If not, it did not need creek water entering it, the Pacific Ocean can provide enough water.

It could be like Victoria's waterway if people had vision. Also, dredging can deepen waterways, FYI. Falsecreek where Yaletown is wouldn't be what it is today if not for dredging and coastal realignment, filling, etc.

Looks like you are the one in Fantasyland after all.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Vin

Fantasy? You said it yourself. It became swampy, shallow and stinky, and that was because it was cut off at Main. If not, it did not need creek water entering it, the Pacific Ocean can provide enough water.

It could be like Victoria's waterway if people had vision. Also, dredging can deepen waterways, FYI.

It became shallow because it's a tidal marsh

[Vin]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

It became shallow because it's a tidal marsh

So why did it not become shallow over the millions of years of existence?

[WarrenC12]

Speaking of digging, Vin should probably stop.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Vin

So why did it not become shallow over the millions of years of existence?

It got naturally shallower from west to east. Similar to Port Moody's inlet