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[Gantz]

They need to put one in Coney Island. It is a good location for one.
Then turn the one in Queens into a full casino, and build one in Manhattan for the tourists.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

Thanks, so the whole Wynn Hotel condo with the big casino base will all be built on the platform? It looks like the hotel tower portion might be on terra firma.

Also, do you know if any portion of the casino will be in the hotel tower?

The casino complex is one building. The office tower and the residential building will be built on the site south of the railyards, not on the platform. The same as the Coach tower and 15 Hudson.

Originally Posted by Gantz

They need to put one in Coney Island. It is a good location for one.
Then turn the one in Queens into a full casino, and build one in Manhattan for the tourists.

The Queens casino will remain open either way, but awarding the full license to that casino won't generate the same economic development and number of jobs that a completely new development will. That's what they are measuring with the existing casinos - the amount above what already exists.
It's why the board keeps stressing that the economic side of these proposals is what will heavily influence which proposals get built.

https://www.covers.com/industry/econ...ses-jan-6-2025

Economic Development Will Impact New York Casino Licenses
The New York State Gaming Commission's executive director reaffirmed the financial benefits of casino projects will influence who gets an approval.

But there is still that matter of settling the city's individual approvals process for various proposals. Of the proposals moving forward, two of them - Bally's Bronx proposal and Hard Rock's Citifield proposal - technically don't have a site yet, and may not get it. But keep in mind these are not ordinary proposals that generally run through the city's approval process. They each have HUGE implications for the state, all the more reason for Hochul not to play games with the city approval process. It's one thing to say a 50-story building should maybe be knocked down to 30. Another thing entirely to say a huge economic engine for the entire state shouldn't be built. So that's what they are dealing with. And they (the politicians) all know it. Will they do the smart thing? Sadly, that's always in doubt.

[ChiND]

Thanks! If Related/Wynn win the license this year, when do you think is the earliest that the casino can start rising? I don’t recall how construction progressed with the platform and buildings in Phase 1.

[NYguy]

^ Nothing will be done until next year. The casino licensing process will drag out at least until the end of this year, and possibly spill over into next year.



Meanwhile, Related is 100% right here:



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It's one thing to be allowed to voice legitimate concerns about any development, and have those concerns heard. But when you are outright lying, or simply can't be bothered to get the facts on what you are speaking on, you shouldn't have a seat at the table. It is no wonder the city is planning to rework the ULURP process to end some of these shenanigans, and the CBs have no one to blame but themselves.

[ChiND]

So even if Related/Wynn get the license, could it be years before the casino begins rising? Once again, I don't recall the logistics of Phase 1. Do they have to finish the deck before they start building the casino or can they do that simultaneously?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

So even if Related/Wynn get the license, could it be years before the casino begins rising? Once again, I don't recall the logistics of Phase 1. Do they have to finish the deck before they start building the casino or can they do that simultaneously?

As with the first phase, everything is built at once. The casinos must be built within a given timeframe, and temporary casinos aren't allowed to open. Any pre-opening must be a part of the permanent casino floor.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by NYguy

As with the first phase, everything is built at once. The casinos must be built within a given timeframe, and temporary casinos aren't allowed to open. Any pre-opening must be a part of the permanent casino floor.

Thanks. So the foundations will be built around the tracks I assume.

If the license is awarded in 2025, I assume that work can start in 2026. I doubt that there will be any issues financing the hotel/casino.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

Thanks. So the foundations will be built around the tracks I assume.

If the license is awarded in 2025, I assume that work can start in 2026. I doubt that there will be any issues financing the hotel/casino.

Those railyards were built with the intentions of building the platform above. But it will be similar to the way all those towers got built along Park Avenue.


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[ChiND]

Thanks. Since they won’t have to wait for the platform to finish before starting the building, construction of the hotel/casino could realistically start in 2026.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

Thanks. Since they won’t have to wait for the platform to finish before starting the building, construction of the hotel/casino could realistically start in 2026.

Perhaps. But surviving this round only gets you into the competition. That's what they're all trying to do now. It's almost like a reality show. "New York's Next Top Casino". The real competition - should they make it that far - begins later this summer.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Perhaps. But surviving this round only gets you into the competition. That's what they're all trying to do now. It's almost like a reality show. "New York's Next Top Casino". The real competition - should they make it that far - begins later this summer.

Will the winners of the licenses be revealed in 2025? This “contest” is ridiculous. Related’s/Wynn’s proposal will generate the most economic impact by far.

[NYguy]

This is if everything goes according to plan, which to date, nothing has…

https://gothamist.com/news/coney-isl...-license-in-25

By Arun Venugopal
Jan 1, 2025

[NYguy]

https://www.amny.com/oped/op-ed-west...o-fair-chance/

Op-ed | Let’s give the West Side Casino rezoning plan a fair chance





By Kevin Rutter
anuary 9, 2025

City politicians seem excited about their City of Yes’ potential to build more needed housing in the five boroughs. However, after attending several community meetings, it’s become clear that at the hyperlocal level, when it comes to big and bold new developments for my neighborhood, we are still a City of No.

I have called Chelsea my home for four years after moving from the West Village. A prominent feature of our neighborhood is the cavernous eyesore at the Western Rail Yards. Various plans to develop it over the years have been struck down due to differing interests, opposing forces, and exorbitant costs.

Now, a new proposal, Hudson Yards West, offers an opportunity to transform the underutilized space into something extraordinary for the community and all of New York. A resort and casino would anchor Hudson Yards West and would also deliver affordable housing, a huge public park, and thousands of full-time jobs.

I recently attended three community meetings to hear developer Related Companies’ plans. Like some of my neighbors, I was initially doubtful about a casino. However, I learned that the Wynn gaming facility would make up less than five percent of the site. More importantly, the resort would provide $2 billion in funds to build the necessary platform over the unsightly rail yard, on top of which would sit a massive public park, a public school, and more than a thousand units of housing, including affordable housing.

The second-order economic effects of this development would ripple across our local community. We cannot let this opportunity slip away as previously planned developments have.

In 2009, Hudson Yards was finally approved. It was a two-phase plan to create a retail, office, and luxury housing mecca. Once the first phase was done, the pandemic hit, and the original plan for phase two over the Western Rail Yards became unviable as public demand for ultra-luxury condos vanished. The eyesore—a massive hole in the ground revealing lines of train tracks—has remained.

While it’s not a perfect plan, it deserves a fair hearing. However, it has not received that from some community members. The Friends of the High Line, for one, has been campaigning against the plan with frivolous concerns about views and shadows. They have disregarded those Chelsea residents who are open to the plan.

For progress to occur in our neighborhood, we must refocus on what is important to Chelsea’s residents, such as having community spaces and new jobs. That’s why dozens of West Siders showed up at the Manhattan Community Board 4 Meeting on Monday to express their full support of Hudson Yards West.

Despite supporters showing up in large numbers of community board meetings over the past few months to ask them to vote in favor, the board inexplicably wants to issue a blanket denial of the project. Fortunately, their vote isn’t binding, and there is another way forward – working together to make this project a reality.

Related has already updated their plans to reflect community feedback. Together, we can ask for additional changes that are realistic for the development and better for those of us who live nearby. If we can do that, in less than five years the community would have a brand-new park, keys to new apartments, thousands of new jobs, and dozens of new restaurants, coffee shops and stores in the surrounding area. It’s time for our elected officials to step up and move the plan ahead.

If not, we will just have a hole in the ground and some bragging rights that we blocked yet another development that wasn’t quite perfect.

[NYguy]

[chris08876]

About a similar timetable to Phase I. I just wish they would stop stalling and get shovels in the ground for the platform in 2025.

This is foreshadowing the coming boom. When Phase II kicks into high gear, the coming boom will also.

What's exciting is also a lot of the proxy developments that will spring up, just like with Phase I (Bound to happen). Three Hudson need to rise.

I still think this is not fully utilizing the land to the full potential. There should be at least two more components to the existing massing and more housing, because it would sell.

[ssh]

Timeline seems relatively quick.

[eXodius]

As much as I know most plans get changed heavily between planning and construction, I really hope this gets built as-is! Just the Wynn alone adds much to the Hudson Yards site visually! With the other 2, it finally completes the area (along with the "future development" in the pics above! Already looking forward to 2026!

[ChiND]

I hope that this is accurate. Can you imagine this, 175 Park, 350 Park, 625 Madison (and who knows what else) rising simultaneously? This is the Age of the Mycenaeans! Long live Agamemnon!!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by chris08876

I still think this is not fully utilizing the land to the full potential.

It isn't. The FAR of the railyards is well below typical FAR for Midtown - thanks to the more than generous open spaces. I believe it would have fit better in the overall scheme of the city if allowed to be built out to the fullest. And these NIMBY morons have the nerve to complain the buildings are too big.

[ChiND]

The hotel/casino has a magnificent design.