Northeast False Creek | Proposed

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by dleung

I miss the massing of bayshore and marinaside crescent where, instead of one or two slabs monopolizing the view, views to the water can be had for many buildings/units as far as 2-3 blocks inland, which from the other side of the water means a more layered skyline

Here's an idea: if you want to see the water, how about getting out of your apartment and walking two or three blocks to the abundance of parkland and other public spaces that abut Vancouver's waterfront?

Perhaps on the southern side of False Creek shorter or tiered buildings should be a priority to preserve sunlight on the Seawall, but on the north side build tall and dense please.

[jollyburger]

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[dleung]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

Here's an idea: if you want to see the water, how about getting out of your apartment and walking two or three blocks to the abundance of parkland and other public spaces that abut Vancouver's waterfront?

Perhaps on the southern side of False Creek shorter or tiered buildings should be a priority to preserve sunlight on the Seawall, but on the north side build tall and dense please.

For Burrard/Georgia, sure. But I personally think most of the city needs to hit 1.5 FSR first, then a few other things, before 10 FSR minimums across the peninsula is even remotely justified.

[vanman]

Safe to assume this whole plan will be reworked in light of the viewcone amendments?

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by vanman

Safe to assume this whole plan will be reworked in light of the viewcone amendments?

I doubt you'll see any dramatic changes. Maybe at most 10-15 storeys on certain sections. They already had 30 storey towers planned for the area and some 40 storey/425 feet towers near the new Georgia/Pacific intersection. And they still want it to step down near the edges regardless of the view cone

[vanman]

With any increased height allowed there will be less pressure to squeeze in so many squat buildings. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

[mcj]

Concord Pacific released an updated plan, all renderings and quotes posted below are from this Vancouver Sun article.

On Tuesday, Concord Pacific shared preliminary details with Postmedia News of its proposal to bring 5,000 homes in 12 towers — including some of the city’s tallest skyscrapers — as well as dozens of restaurants, shops, and services to the northeast shore of False Creek.

At this stage, the developer’s vision for what it calls “Concord Landing” includes 12 towers. The lower buildings closer to the waterfront would be around 20 storeys, with taller buildings of around 50 storeys just to the north. The tallest buildings would be the “landmark towers” flanking Georgia Street, which Webb said could “go to 60 to 65-plus storeys, whatever is appropriate.”

[Vin]

The heights make more sense now. Appreciate the City to tweak the restrictions.

Great opportunity to incorporate a nice mall or shopping centre there. It's the only way to liven up the nearby Entertainment District.

Concord should also just build around the viaducts, since the City has not money to take them down.

[cyclinginvancouver]

"This project will depend on the long-planned but delayed demolition and removal of the Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts, which run along the north side of Concord’s property.

A previous Vancouver council, under then-mayor Gregor Robertson and his Vision majority, voted in 2015 to remove the viaducts to free up land for housing and park space. At that time, it was reported that the viaducts’ removal could begin by 2017 and finish by 2020. But progress stalled, and after those dates passed, the city said it was not possible to provide a timeline for the viaducts’ removal, because the project needed to be funded by contributions from developers in the area.

Webb said Tuesday that Concord’s recent conversations with Vancouver’s planning department have made it “pretty clear” the city is still motivated to take the viaducts down, he said."

[jollyburger]

This will hopefully change the scale of any development at the Plaza of Nations.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by Vin

Concord should also just build around the viaducts, since the City has not money to take them down.

They waited 35 years for the city to pull their pants down and assume the position so they didn't have to foot a penny to do it themselves.
Telling them to build around it I can assure you Concord will sit on the land for another 30 years and resubmitting new ideas for the land if it means waiting for the city to do it for them.
There's over a quarter of a billion dollars in investment potential there and a hundred grand every five years for fancy drawings is a drop in the bucket.

[WarrenC12]

I only hope that when this happens it will have Senakw style building speed with 3+ towers under construction at the same time.

[GenWhy?]

Are these just renderings or are they finally submitting an application? (I don't have a newspaper subscription).
Pretty art tho.

[WarrenC12]

Just a drawing. Planning to submit an application "in the coming months."

[officedweller]

Interesting how Rogers Arena tower 3 is included in the 12.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Are these just renderings or are they finally submitting an application? (I don't have a newspaper subscription).
Pretty art tho.

I think we can assume these are accurate to what they plan to submit, subject to how city staff respond to the rezoning inquiry.

Concord plans to submit a rezoning inquiry to city hall within the next few months, Webb said, after which the company will work with city staff on a plan with the hope to submit a formal rezoning application by the end of this year.

From Dan Fumano, The Vancouver Sun https://vancouversun.com/news/post-viaduct-future-northeast-false-creek-new-plan-concord-pacific

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by madog222

I think we can assume these are accurate to what they plan to submit, subject to how city staff respond to the rezoning inquiry.


From Dan Fumano, The Vancouver Sun https://vancouversun.com/news/post-viaduct-future-northeast-false-creek-new-plan-concord-pacific

Ah yes thank you. So enquiry submission let's assume end of March ("coming months"), City review 3-4 months? So pre August break response.

If Concord likes the response they drum up a rezoning application package and submit at the end of 2024. Seems like a rushed timeline for a group that is in no... rush.

[Planner 9]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Seems like a rushed timeline for a group that is in no... rush.

There's a friendly mayor and council in place now.

July 2024: View cones removed/reduced.
October 2026: Next city election.

Hence the window of opportunity to get the rezoning approval.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Planner 9

There's a friendly mayor and council in place now.

July 2024: View cones removed/reduced.
October 2026: Next city election.

Hence the window of opportunity to get the rezoning approval.

Fair enough, and I guess if they apply before December 2025 they might get a Conditions Letter and rezoning enacted before Oct 2026. I wonder what a different council could enforce or extract from this site though? I can't see CAC requirements increasing under any circumstance.

[jollyburger]

Here's the old 2018 massing from CIVITAS

Video Link

https://spacing.ca/vancouver/2018/01/25/video-vancouver-northeast-false-creek-animation/

Also on CIVITAS' website (high res images in their gallery as well with one overhead site plan)

CIVITAS has developed the master plan for Concord Landing: Northeast False Creek's new Waterfront District, which will be an opportunity to create a vibrant and accessible neighbourhood on Vancouver’s False Creek for both locals and visitors to enjoy.

The Master Plan concept represents a proposal for an exciting waterfront development with a mix of uses and activities and its’ own special character, identity and sense of place. The plan was informed by inspiring global examples of urban waterfronts and mixed-use neighbourhoods and the elements that made them successful.

Features of the Concept include:

A New Waterfront Experience: A mixed-use housing and retail/dining district that will provide an active publicly accessible waterfront promenade, Georgia Wharf, unique to Vancouver. The neighbourhood will feature a ground plane activated with a mix of shops, cafes and restaurants lining a fine-grained network of pedestrian walkways and public access along the entire waterfront.

New Parks and Gathering Places: 3.2 acres of new public park space as part of this rezoning, in addition to the new Creekside Parks lands created from Concord Pacific and City lands, producing a total of 13.98 acres of new public park space.

New Housing: The NEFC Waterfront District will deliver approximately 5,000 new homes including a component of non-market homes, to be determined through this Rezoning process. This new market and non-market housing will increase the general housing supply in the City of Vancouver and the Metro area without demolishing or displacing existing homes and/or tenancies.

New Job Space: The retail and commercial component will contribute toward meeting the goals of the Metro Core Jobs and Economy Land Use Plan by providing space for an estimated 700 jobs.

New Arts and Culture Opportunities: The Master Plan creates places for the integration of public art to be developed with the City in coordination with the City’s NEFC Public Art Plan. New places for street performance, artisan retail and artist space are included in the plan.

New Public Amenities: Space will be included for a new Community Policing Centre as well as a 69-space Child Care Facility with an outdoor play area.

https://www.civitasdesign.com/projects/northeast-false-creek