Statistics Canada Reports II

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

Specific to Ontario, running the immigration/NPR ponzi scheme full tilt and letting population numbers run amok is definitely Trudeau's fault. Ontarians bearing the brunt of these disastrous policies, just so the Casper boomers can see their Timmies open an extra hour. Unless you think Trudeau & Co has no control over Canada's international borders.

If it were entirely explained by immigration, you're telling me the immigrants are favoring Edmonton and Windsor?

ISTM there is a clear link between Provincial Conservative governments (Alberta, Ontario) and high unemployment.

Quebec and BC are significantly lower.

I'm not absolving the Feds of anything, just making an obvious observation.

[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

If it were entirely explained by immigration, you're telling me the immigrants are favoring Edmonton and Windsor?

ISTM there is a clear link between Provincial Conservative governments (Alberta, Ontario) and high unemployment.

Quebec and BC are significantly lower.

I'm not absolving the Feds of anything, just making an obvious observation.

Windsor's always had high unemployment due to the rust belt effect, so I'm not sure why you're so fixated on that city. Even during the McGuinty Wynne years Windsor had suffered from high unemployment. So it's unreasonable to pin it on the current "PC government".

Toronto and the GTA should be the city you should be concerned about. The country's economic engine should not be seeing skyrocketing unemployment. There is no comparable US tier 1 metropolis that is seeing such an unemployment surge. Guess where the bulk of all these excess international students, asylum seekers and TFWs are heading? The GTA, with Brampton as ground zero.

As for Edmonton, Alberta has had to deal with a population surge, as its affordable housing attracts Canadians displaced by extreme rent and housing inflation in the other provinces (chief culprits being BC and then Ontario). Edmonton never had the ability to absorb so many newcomers into its lacklustre employment market, hence the unemployment rate skyrocketing as well.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

Windsor's always had high unemployment due to the rust belt effect, so I'm not sure why you're so fixated on that city. Even during the McGuinty Wynne years Windsor had suffered from high unemployment. So it's unreasonable to pin it on the current "PC government".

I picked it because it's at the top of the list.

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

As for Edmonton, Alberta has had to deal with a population surge, as its affordable housing attracts Canadians displaced by extreme rent and housing inflation in the other provinces (chief culprits being BC and then Ontario). Edmonton never had the ability to absorb so many newcomers into its lacklustre employment market, hence the unemployment rate skyrocketing as well.

So people are moving there for the cost of living without a job lined up? Seems questionable.

[WarrenC12]

Maybe this has something to do with it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/a...irates-oilpatch-danielle-smith-1.7400752

[Build.It]

Edmonton attracts a lot of young families. Typically when one of them gets a job, they move, and then the second spouse looks for a job after they've arrived.

[Build.It]

Alberta has had conservative governments for the past 50 years (except for 4) and have had unemployment rates good and bad. Conservative governments tend to not go on hiring sprees themselves though, so the unemployment rate is a better indication of the actual economy.

[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

So people are moving there for the cost of living without a job lined up? Seems questionable.

As Build.It mentioned, it's quite common for one half of the couple to secure a job first in Alberta and move, and then the spouse goes to look for a job after settling down. It's one of the crazy things young Canadian families will now do in a desperate attempt to find affordable housing.

If you go through the latest StatsCan report, you will see that Alberta added the most jobs (+24K, which is approximately half the national total). The latest Workforce Participation Rate for Alberta is also at 69.3%, which is much higher than BC's 63.6% and Ontario's at 65%. Accordingly Alberta's Employment rate at 64.1% is notably higher than BC's 59.9%.

Alberta has the country's highest population growth rate, and also sees the highest gain of interprovincial migration (by a mile).

Economist Charles St-Arnaud explains it well:

Alberta Central economist Charles St-Arnaud says not to panic — the province's rising unemployment rate doesn't mean people are losing their jobs. There are just so many people moving to the province and looking for work, and the labour market can't keep up.

"We're in a very special environment right now in Alberta," said St-Arnaud.

"Usually in the past when we've seen the unemployment rate going higher, it was usually because there was a recession and you started to see workers losing their jobs. We're not seeing that at the moment."


Alberta's unemployment rate rose to 7.5% in November, despite strong job growth
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-unemployment-november-1.7403502

[theman23]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Maybe this has something to do with it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/a...irates-oilpatch-danielle-smith-1.7400752

How?

[north 42]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

If it were entirely explained by immigration, you're telling me the immigrants are favoring Edmonton and Windsor?

ISTM there is a clear link between Provincial Conservative governments (Alberta, Ontario) and high unemployment.

Quebec and BC are significantly lower.

I'm not absolving the Feds of anything, just making an obvious observation.

Immigrants are favouring Windsor, the city has one of the highest foreign born populations in the country, and it is very multicultural. Our region is attracting lots of people from other parts of Canada as well, as we are still relatively affordable.

The city’s population has really boomed Lately, it’s economy is constantly growing, it is seeing record investment, and it’s GDP is forecasted to have the second strongest growth in the country next year. Our unemployment rate just isn’t keeping up with our growth.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by theman23

How?

Tongue in cheek, but it's showing the AB government not focusing on relevant priorities.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by Build.It

Edmonton attracts a lot of young families. Typically when one of them gets a job, they move, and then the second spouse looks for a job after they've arrived.

People listened to Danny and are coming to the province even if they don't have a job. The rates are high but actual unemployment is relatively good. Employers are just not hiring right now. There are no large scale layoffs as well.

[Justanothermember]

Originally Posted by Airboy

People listened to Danny and are coming to the province even if they don't have a job. The rates are high but actual unemployment is relatively good. Employers are just not hiring right now. There are no large scale layoffs as well.

Moving to a place 'just because' without any employment lined up seems like a very risky and foolish thing to do.

[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

Moving to a place 'just because' without any employment lined up seems like a very risky and foolish thing to do.

It's a risky 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 indeed ...but when you're priced out of your own home province (BC, Ontario), young families probably see the 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 as worthwhile if it means securing a home to raise their kids.

[Justanothermember]

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

It's a risky gamble indeed ...but when you're priced out of your own home province (BC, Ontario), young families probably see the gamble as worthwhile if it means securing a home to raise their kids.

Unless these people can pay for houses upfront with cash, no lender in their right mind would give home loans to the unemployed. And I can't imagine too many property agencies renting out to those without incomes either.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

Moving to a place 'just because' without any employment lined up seems like a very risky and foolish thing to do.

No it's completely normal and actually willingness to move more than 150 km from where you grew up is key predictor of success.

[Justanothermember]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

No it's completely normal and actually willingness to move more than 150 km from where you grew up is key predictor of success.

If you have mummy and daddy feeding your bank account, sure move wherever you want. Or if you are young and on a Working Holiday Visa which is meant for people to hang out in various places with or without employment, then sure it makes sense and is quite common.

Otherwise no, it is not completely normal and most people wouldn't take such risks, especially with families to take care of.

[hipster duck]

People should move around more. One of the theories for why US productivity is higher than Canada or Europe is that people are more likely to move to another city/state to pursue a better paying job. That's not to say that there aren't unadventurous Canadians or that all Americans will move at the drop of a hat, but you take a bell curve of people's willingness to move and shift it a few percent to the right and that makes a huge difference in overall economic outcomes.

It seems like putting the cart before the horse, but that might also be why economic opportunities are better distributed in the US, too. When people are more likely to move to some far off place that might not have a lot of economic diversity, enough of them moving creates better conditions for an industry or major company to spring up.

[LuluBobo]

Moving around is nice for your pocket book, but is absolutely awful for your social life and mental health. Leaving your friends and family to move to the other side of the country isn't a fate I'd wish on my worst enemy.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by LuluBobo

Moving around is nice for your pocket book, but is absolutely awful for your social life and mental health. Leaving your friends and family to move to the other side of the country isn't a fate I'd wish on my worst enemy.

That depends entirely on the person. I left my friends and family behind and moved to a different continent. It bettered my world perspective, fuelled my personal growth, and was fabulous for my overall mental health. I made loads of new friends quickly, experienced new things/places, and thoroughly enjoyed my time there. I eventually moved back to Canada but moving overseas was one of the best things I ever did. I have very fond memories that will be with me forever. I don't regret the move whatsoever.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by LuluBobo

Moving around is nice for your pocket book, but is absolutely awful for your social life and mental health. Leaving your friends and family to move to the other side of the country isn't a fate I'd wish on my worst enemy.

And yet our country is founded and has grown on people doing exactly that.