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Old Posted Nov 20, 2024, 8:58 PM
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Expo Blvd to remain a mess for the foreseeable future I guess.
No worries because on top there are alternative routes via Beatty Street and the Georgia viaduct which will never be coming down.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2024, 9:04 PM
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No worries because on top there are alternative routes via Beatty Street and the Georgia viaduct which will never be coming down.
Another completely incorrect comment from you that is determined with the simplest of google searches. The plan to remove the viaducts includes a direct connection to Georgia at Pacific.

https://vancouver.ca/home-property-development/streetscape-design.aspx
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The entire block across the street bounded by Beatty Robson Cambie and West Georgia is practically all hotels too.
But agreed that a hotel use would be best for the site next to the stadium.
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2024, 6:06 AM
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Just noticed Wall Centre filed as an intervener for the BCUC proceedings.

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In 2022 WFC intervened in Creative Energy's application for a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity for the Core Steam System Decarbonization Project. At this time, WFC raised concerns that the application exposed customers to unacceptable service and cost risks. As an large customer to Creative Energy, the outcomes of the application for New Plant Premises and Interconnection Capital Expenditure will impact Wall Centre’s operations.
https://docs.bcuc.com/documents/proceedings/2024/doc_79231_c1-1-wfc-intervenerrequest.pdf
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Just noticed Wall Centre filed as an intervener for the BCUC proceedings.
You'd think Cadillac Fairview would jump in too.
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You'd think Cadillac Fairview would jump in too.
Any chance that BOMA might be involved on behalf of those properties tied into the system?
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2024, 6:28 PM
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Any chance that BOMA might be involved on behalf of those properties tied into the system?
Commercial Energy Consumers Association of BC is participating.

From a 2015 order

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The sole intervener in this proceeding was the Commercial Energy Consumers Association of British Columbia (CEC). CEC submits that the primary interest group it represents is the Building Owners and Managers Association (BOMA) of British Columbia in this proceeding, which is comprised of owners and/or managers of a significant number of the buildings served by Creative Energy.
https://www.ordersdecisions.bcuc.com/bcuc/decisions/en/item/120345/index.do
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Nice find, thanks.
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You'd think Cadillac Fairview would jump in too.
Fairly certain CF was the initial intervenor, but I'm sure it's all public with the BCUC in case anyone wants to dig through all the details.
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Some new documents posted on BCUC's website. I mean for a company that is basically the sister company to the developer they are doing a fairly good job of playing dumb.

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Q: Is Creative Energy asking the BCUC to take the risk that these negotiations might be unsuccessful, in which case a significant portion of these costs may become the responsibility of ratepayers?

A: Confirmed. The Application requests the BCUC to determine that it is in the public interest for Creative Energy to make the contemplated expenditures on the understanding that Creative Energy is seeking to recover these costs from the Developer as appropriate, and that there is uncertainty regarding the extent to which Creative Energy will be successful. Creative Energy’s ability to secure financing for the contemplated expenditures hinges on being able to provide certainty to financing parties that Creative Energy will be able to recover its expenditures from customers to the extent not otherwise recovered from the Developer.

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Considering the terms of the TDA, if Creative Energy were to successfully pursue a claim againstthe Developer, any such damages award would be an unsecured amount owing from the Developer to Creative Energy and would thus rank behind all secured creditors of the Developer, with other unsecured creditors. Creative Energy is not aware of the full extent of the Developer’s financial obligations; however, we are aware that the Developer has a secured credit facility for the Developer’s project at the Beatty property in the aggregate principal amount of $185 million, which had an aggregate principal amount outstanding of approximately $171 million, plus accrued interest, as of the date of the Application. It is possible that there may be other secured creditors of the Developer that would also rank ahead of Creative Energy in the event of any receivership or bankruptcy of the Developer.
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Creative Energy’s understanding, through discussions with the Developer, is that sufficient funding is unlikely to be available to the Developer for at least 15-21 months after submission of a rezoning application, which is expected to be submitted in December 2024. The Developer expects that both rezoning approval and development permit approval will be required to confirm project economics and secure funding to complete the development project and meet its obligations under the TDA. These expectations are based on the experience of the Developer and its preliminary discussions with the City of Vancouver. The Developer believes that this process will take at least 15-21 months.
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While each shareholder has the right to contribute to capital calls pursuant to the shareholder and limited partnership agreements between the parties, we note that Creative Energy Canada Platforms Corp. (“Creative Canada”), the entity through which Westbank holds its interest in the Creative Energy group, has not contributed to capital calls that have been made to date in 2024; rather, Emanate Energy has exercised its rights under the limited partnership agreement to fund 100% of the amounts not contributed by Creative Canada, which has resulted in Emanate Energy increasing its proportionate interest in the Creative Energy group
https://www.bcuc.com/OurWork/ViewProceeding?applicationid=1284
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The question then is who is bankrolling Emanate.

Edit: David Kemp is listed as the founder of Emanate Capital, which is what a search for Emanate Energy yields. Kemp seems to be a UK-based investment banker.

Edit 2: Emanate Energy Solutions Inc. is the name of the company in the BCUC filings. It doesn't seem to have a readily apparent web presence, other than references to the Creative Energy filing.
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The question then is who is bankrolling Emanate.

Edit: David Kemp is listed as the founder of Emanate Capital, which is what a search for Emanate Energy yields. Kemp seems to be a UK-based investment banker.

Edit 2: Emanate Energy Solutions Inc. is the name of the company in the BCUC filings. It doesn't seem to have a readily apparent web presence, other than references to the Creative Energy filing.
From the agreement to allow Emanate to control more than 50% of Creative "Emanate Energy is a wholly owned indirect subsidiary of the InstarAGF Essential Infrastructure LP fund managed by Instar Asset Management Inc." Instar appears to be a Toronto based Asset Management business.
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2024, 9:27 PM
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Another completely incorrect comment from you that is determined with the simplest of google searches. The plan to remove the viaducts includes a direct connection to Georgia at Pacific.

https://vancouver.ca/home-property-development/streetscape-design.aspx
The plan to bring down the viaducts is about 10 years old now.

How's it going with the funds to bring it down after all this sweet time: must be billions in the City coffer by now?

With the viaducts in place, dispersing traffic quickly away from the property is way more efficient than the lame "direct connection to Georgia at Pacific".
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2024, 9:31 PM
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With the viaducts in place, dispersing traffic quickly away from the property is way more efficient than the lame "direct connection to Georgia at Pacific".
Spoken like somebody who never actually drives on the viaducts.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2025, 4:40 AM
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Creative Energy made their final filing trying to convince the BCUC that they should backstop the construction of the plant.

https://www.bcuc.com/OurWork/ViewProceeding?applicationid=1284

Emanate I think is up to around 58.3% ownership of Creative Energy since Gilliespe decided to pass on the capital calls.
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They continue to make some progress

12/21/2024


1/9/2025


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1/29/2025, 5:04pm.

This is still moving forward, at a decent pace, despite the lack of a decision from BCUC and supposed depletion of funds.

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Old Posted Jan 31, 2025, 4:06 AM
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Nice, thanks!
Based on your Jan 16th pic, those deep, closely spaced beams are designed to support some heavy equipment on that floor!
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2025, 4:35 AM
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I assume that's some kind of transfer slab for the structures above the energy plant?

https://vancouver.ca/files/cov/720-beatty-st-appendix-d-5.pdf

Also, BCUC still hasn't made a ruling and their funding was supposed to be exhausted around the end of January.
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