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Yes, La Gappe has been struggling quite a bit and there of course has been talk of redeveloping it with mixed commercial-residential. It's a great location for sure.

As for the old Archambault location, the obvious use for it is some type of large restaurant. Probably some chain from the Montreal area we don't have in Gatineau yet.
I grew up in Touraine when the La Gappe big box centre was just an empty field. I was super disappointed when they decided to build the retail at the location, especially since it was around the same time the RapiBus was announced. Should have been mixed use from the get go.

At some point, the Costco was supposed to move there (before it moved to Les Promenades and anything was built at this site).
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Yes, La Gappe has been struggling quite a bit and there of course has been talk of redeveloping it with mixed commercial-residential. It's a great location for sure.

As for the old Archambault location, the obvious use for it is some type of large restaurant. Probably some chain from the Montreal area we don't have in Gatineau yet.
Yes, agree! I pop into RB often to just look around and have bought many a thing over the years.

Agree, I said the same thing about the vacant space - restaurant. I will warn though that MTL area popular chains have already tried and failed here, see 3 Amigos and Barbies as recent examples (there may be more).
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I grew up in Touraine when the La Gappe big box centre was just an empty field. I was super disappointed when they decided to build the retail at the location, especially since it was around the same time the RapiBus was announced. Should have been mixed use from the get go.

At some point, the Costco was supposed to move there (before it moved to Les Promenades and anything was built at this site).
I have yet to understand why Costco went where it did when they had la Gappe as an option. My assumption is Oxford (if it was them at the time) offered some serious incentives.

Mixed use at la Gappe makes too much sense. With Archambault and Griffon moving in, their vacant space is significantly reduced. Just some spots in the Reitmans strip and the former Barbies I think? For a struggling area, that isn't terrible I guess.
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Steve's Music Store is leaving Rideau Street after 42 years
"We're part of the furniture here, and it’s not something we took lightly" the store manager says.

Andrew Duffy, Ottawa Citizen
Published Nov 28, 2024 • Last updated 2 hours ago • 3 minute read




An iconic downtown business, Steve’s Music Store, will be moving after 42 years of selling guitars, drums and other instruments from its two-storey home on Rideau Street.

Manager Dan Sauvé said the decision to move from its Rideau Street location was a difficult one, but a combination of factors — chief among them the social disorder wrought by the opioid epidemic — meant the store would move to a new location in early 2025.

“We’re part of the furniture here, and it’s not something we took lightly,” Sauvé said in an interview.

“At the end of the day, let’s call it what it is: No one wants to shop on Rideau Street right now because they’re scared of getting attacked or harassed or something like that. Whether or not that’s justified, it’s not really for me to say.

“I work here day in and day out, and I don’t necessarily feel threatened, but, for someone who doesn’t see that every day, it’s definitely disconcerting.”

The store’s owners signed a new lease Wednesday at another “central location,” Sauvé said, which means the lights will go out on its bubble-lettered, black and yellow Rideau Street sign early next year.

The site of the new store location will be announced later this year.

Steve’s Music Store has survived at its current location through years of business disruption caused by Rideau Street and LRT construction, the Rideau Street sinkhole, the COVID-19 pandemic and the truckers’ occupation of downtown Ottawa.

“It has been one gut punch after another,” Sauvé said.

But, when Recovery Care and Respect RX pharmacy opened next door — both are part of Ottawa’s safer supply program — the opioid crisis was brought right to the doorstep of Steve’s Music Store.

Recovery Care is one of three agencies providing prescribing services for the approximately 500 people enrolled in the program run by Safer Supply Ottawa. Those enrolled in the program receive prescription opioids and/or stimulants to protect them from contaminated street drugs.

Sauvé said the program had led to the growth of a criminal ecosystem that preyed on safe supply clients. It has resulted in increased local drug traffic, more crime and aggressive behaviours, he said.

“It’s everything that comes with the concentration of users that’s problematic,” he said. “To me, the question is: How can we help people without causing so much collateral damage to neighbourhoods?”

The music store’s front door is now kept locked, and customers are allowed in one by one.

The loss of Steve’s Music Store is another blow for the ByWard Market. The music store was an anchor tenant and occupied about 6,000 square feet of retail space on the south side of Rideau Street.

Sauvé said the store had only been able to survive by virtue of its dedicated clientele. “Musicians are awesome in that sense: They’re fiercely loyal,” he said. “We’ve always felt their support.”

Already this year, the ByWard Market has lost fashion boutique Cantas Fashion, butcher Saslove’s Meat Market, the Courtyard Restaurant and Oz Café. One of the neighbourhood’s oldest businesses, Saslove’s had been in the ByWard Market for 70 years.

The original Steve’s Music Store opened in Montreal in 1965 as the Beatles and the rest of the British Invasion popularized electric guitars.

Founder Steve Kirman couldn’t play a lick — “His favourite instrument was the cash register,” his son once said — but he loved people and had an encyclopedic knowledge of guitars and amps, drums and pedals. He expanded his franchise to Ottawa and Toronto.

Steve’s Music Store continues to be owned by the Montreal-based Kirman family.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/steves-music-store-leaving-rideau-street
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We are not making much progress downtown. Downtown Rideau is pretty much a drug den, trying to take after east side Vancouver. It is sad.
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I have yet to understand why Costco went where it did when they had la Gappe as an option. My assumption is Oxford (if it was them at the time) offered some serious incentives.

Mixed use at la Gappe makes too much sense. With Archambault and Griffon moving in, their vacant space is significantly reduced. Just some spots in the Reitmans strip and the former Barbies I think? For a struggling area, that isn't terrible I guess.
There is also a planned extension on the south end of the long building that houses Winners and Michaels that was never done.

But even so there is lots of available space on the site that could be used for residential. It's got huge excess parking capacity.
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Yes, agree! I pop into RB often to just look around and have bought many a thing over the years.

Agree, I said the same thing about the vacant space - restaurant. I will warn though that MTL area popular chains have already tried and failed here, see 3 Amigos and Barbies as recent examples (there may be more).
Correct, though you have three that are doing well (La Belle et la Boeuf, Enoteca Monza, Shaker) plus others nearby like Scores and La Cage aux Sports, Vieux Duluth, L'Académie.

I wouldn't say that this is a bad area for these types of chain restaurants.

The ones that failed probably just screwed up.

Note that the Bâton Rouge at Les Galeries de Hull is closing so that might be a good fit. Gatineau won't have one and most of the major cities in Quebec and even some smaller places have one.

EDIT: Check that. Looks like the Bâton Rouge is going to move to the location of recently-closed East Side Mario's in Les Galeries de Hull.
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If you look at places like Faubourg Boisbriand and Centropolis Laval it gives you an idea of some restaurants we don't have in Gatineau yet:

Zibo!
Jack Astor's
Trois Brasseurs
Enfants Terribles
Carlos & Pepe's
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We are not making much progress downtown. Downtown Rideau is pretty much a drug den, trying to take after east side Vancouver. It is sad.
It's not at all that bad, but one does sense that it could easily tip either way.
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It's not at all that bad, but one does sense that it could easily tip either way.
Losing retail is never a good thing. Will be interesting to see what they mean when they say that they are moving to another "central" location.

Steve's is really at the epicentre of the problem, being directly beside the two safe consumption sites. My experience is that Rideau west of King Edward has been trending in the right direction, particularly with Metro back, but that first block east of King Edward is where the drug use issue is concentrated. I understand the benefits of those programs, but I have to question how they are run when they are devastating retail around them. Surely there is a better way to locate them and minimize impact on their neighbours. Right now the efforts seem to be minimal.
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Losing retail is never a good thing. Will be interesting to see what they mean when they say that they are moving to another "central" location.

Steve's is really at the epicentre of the problem, being directly beside the two safe consumption sites. My experience is that Rideau west of King Edward has been trending in the right direction, particularly with Metro back, but that first block east of King Edward is where the drug use issue is concentrated. I understand the benefits of those programs, but I have to question how they are run when they are devastating retail around them. Surely there is a better way to locate them and minimize impact on their neighbours. Right now the efforts seem to be minimal.
It's still not great around the Rideau Centre, though perhaps slightly better than it was.
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Losing retail is never a good thing. Will be interesting to see what they mean when they say that they are moving to another "central" location.
Can't help but wonder if they are talking Bank Street, or further South on Catherine Street (e.g., near Dave's Drum Shop).

That said, the old Scotiabank building up for sale on Sparks would be pretty amazing and would easily accommodate each of their departments on separate floors.
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Can't help but wonder if they are talking Bank Street, or further South on Catherine Street (e.g., near Dave's Drum Shop).

That said, the old Scotiabank building up for sale on Sparks would be pretty amazing and would easily accommodate each of their departments on separate floors.
I've done some banking at that building. It's absolutely massive.
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Yeah, I'd be surprised if Steve's Music Store would need all that space.
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Can't help but wonder if they are talking Bank Street, or further South on Catherine Street (e.g., near Dave's Drum Shop).

That said, the old Scotiabank building up for sale on Sparks would be pretty amazing and would easily accommodate each of their departments on separate floors.
Sounds like they will be somewhere in Centretown:

"While Sauvé would not say where the store is moving, he hinted that it would still be within the downtown core.

"What I can tell you is that we will always be a downtown store," he said. "We found a place that's going to enable us to thrive way more than we are on Rideau."

I can't see them describing Catherine St or the Glebe as downtown, so maybe Sparks is the destination.
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There are lots of available spaces on Sparks aside from the Scotiabank building.
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We are not making much progress downtown. Downtown Rideau is pretty much a drug den, trying to take after east side Vancouver. It is sad.
As someone who walks/ lives here everyday it’s truly not that bad. Don’t see what all the people from the suburbs are talking about when I see on the news stuff like we don’t ever come downtown anymore it’s unsafe. Like ok lol
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As someone who walks/ lives here everyday it’s truly not that bad. Don’t see what all the people from the suburbs are talking about when I see on the news stuff like we don’t ever come downtown anymore it’s unsafe. Like ok lol
Agreed. It is not remotely like the Vancouver downtown east side. If anything, there are actually more people around than there were before with all the new condos coming on line.

But it’s the typical story of it being the people who say they never/hardly go downtown who are the most vocal in sharing those opinions. Unfortunately perception matters in this case, so there needs to be a pretty big effort to change the narrative.
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Agreed. It is not remotely like the Vancouver downtown east side. If anything, there are actually more people around than there were before with all the new condos coming on line.

But it’s the typical story of it being the people who say they never/hardly go downtown who are the most vocal in sharing those opinions. Unfortunately perception matters in this case, so there needs to be a pretty big effort to change the narrative.
But also urban residents are subject to a frog in a boiling pot mentality. The changes have been gradual and more or less baked into perceptions. For people who visit less frequently are comparing things to the way they were in 2019 or 2014 and it is a pretty jarring change.
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