Ottawa Senators LeBreton Arena | 11 Acres | In Planning

[zzptichka]

Do you need a tunnel really? Your average walk to a car at CTC is roughly the same distance. Seems like a waste of space and questionable experience.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Do you need a tunnel really? Your average walk to a car at CTC is roughly the same distance. Seems like a waste of space and questionable experience.

Montreal and Toronto have direct connections. The "tunnel" could be above ground, just a simple corridor. A fan deck could be added on top outside. Alternatively, and less cool, it could be a ped corridor at the edge of the parking garage.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

One wonders what dollar figure he has in mind when he says the community must rally behind the proponents?

In this environment with this mayor anything above $0 seems unlikely. We might do sleight of hand support as in Landsdowne but a cheque seems impossible given the budget situation we are in.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

In this environment with this mayor anything above $0 seems unlikely. We might do sleight of hand support as in Landsdowne but a cheque seems impossible given the budget situation we are in.

If it were $0, nothing will be built. It will probably be structured to look like it's not public expenditure - sleight of hand, as you say.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

If it were $0, nothing will be built. It will probably be structured to look like it's not public expenditure - sleight of hand, as you say.

Does the city own land they could essentially give away adjacent? If not how do they really pitch in without it being cash? Property tax exemption for the condos that get built? How much is that really worth the a developer? Free transit?

[ponyboycurtis]

Whatever happens.. it will be some ill conceived nonsense with no consideration for anything around it. Whether its the two transit stations or the aqua duct etc.
This is Ottawa. Don't ever forget that.

I think having several areas or sections deck over the rail line is important. I think bridging the north/south axis is just as important as the east/west. Just wait though... It will be faceless asphalt or loading docks of some sort taking up at least 2 sides of the building and nothing will truly be accessible. Mark my words.

[zzptichka]

Soil remediation will probably cost a fortune. Does the city have to cover half of it? Or it can't be part of that program?

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Soil remediation will probably cost a fortune. Does the city have to cover half of it? Or it can't be part of that program?

Why do we have to spend 50 million dollars "remediating" soil that is contaminated mildly with oil and other mild chemicals. Dump it as fill somewhere (obviously not up storm flow from the Ottawa river). It's total nonsense. All adds up to why everything we build and do is so expensive. Trump is likely to gut a lot of these federal regulations. He is likely to throw the baby out with the bath water and for sure we need to pay attention to drinking water and major waterway contamination but we've run amok. Go to California and every single apartment building warns of cancer because they have a laundry room. New ones aren't build because when you have more than X laundry machines you need to filter out all the phosphates and other chemicals (nevermind laundry detergent is mostly phosphate free now).

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Soil remediation will probably cost a fortune. Does the city have to cover half of it? Or it can't be part of that program?

The City has been pretty flake about CIPs. They approve and reject on a whim based on no real facts. Seems to be approve if they've donated to our campaigns kind of thing.

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Why do we have to spend 50 million dollars "remediating" soil that is contaminated mildly with oil and other mild chemicals. Dump it as fill somewhere (obviously not up storm flow from the Ottawa river). It's total nonsense. All adds up to why everything we build and do is so expensive. Trump is likely to gut a lot of these federal regulations. He is likely to throw the baby out with the bath water and for sure we need to pay attention to drinking water and major waterway contamination but we've run amok. Go to California and every single apartment building warns of cancer because they have a laundry room. New ones aren't build because when you have more than X laundry machines you need to filter out all the phosphates and other chemicals (nevermind laundry detergent is mostly phosphate free now).

I don't want to hear "Trump's going to kill the environment, so why bother". That defeatist attitude is a big reason why we're here. We need our own policies separate from the rest of the World. Changes in Government happen all the time, we can't kill and revive every environmental program based on who the U.S. elects every time. Just because Bob next doors drives an F-250 and dumps 10 bags of garbage every two weeks doesn't mean I have to do the same.

[MarkR]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Soil remediation will probably cost a fortune. Does the city have to cover half of it? Or it can't be part of that program?

Umm, I'll bring this up once again - didn't the NCC already do the needed soil remediation years ago, after ownership consolidation of the Flats was completed?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by MarkR

Umm, I'll bring this up once again - didn't the NCC already do the needed soil remediation years ago, after ownership consolidation of the Flats was completed?

They only completed soil remediation on a portion of the Flats. If you look at Google Maps, you'll see the Flats District and the one block south of the tracks and west of Booth are done, but not any of the arena (and potential arena) parcels.

[MarkR]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

They only completed soil remediation on a portion of the Flats. If you look at Google Maps, you'll see the Flats District and the one block south of the tracks and west of Booth are done, but not any of the arena (and potential arena) parcels.

Ah ok, thanks!

[OTownandDown]

If you go into the layers in GeoOttawa and turn on 'Landfill Sites' you can see that the area due north of the tracks is called 'Nepean Bay Dump' i.e. the hill just north-east of Bayview Station.

To the south of the tracks there is no landfill noted (i.e. no remediation required?)

Our ancestors were quite liberal with where they threw their trash.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

If you go into the layers in GeoOttawa and turn on 'Landfill Sites' you can see that the area due north of the tracks is called 'Nepean Bay Dump' i.e. the hill just north-east of Bayview Station.

To the south of the tracks there is no landfill noted (i.e. no remediation required?)

Our ancestors were quite liberal with where they threw their trash.

Better yet: go to GeoOttawa and toggle between the oldest aerial imagery and the present day. A large portion of the beautiful scenic historic nationally signifcant etc. Ottawa River shoreline west of Parliament Hill is made of 20th-century excavation and demolition debris.

[zzptichka]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

If you go into the layers in GeoOttawa and turn on 'Landfill Sites' you can see that the area due north of the tracks is called 'Nepean Bay Dump' i.e. the hill just north-east of Bayview Station.

To the south of the tracks there is no landfill noted (i.e. no remediation required?)

Our ancestors were quite liberal with where they threw their trash.

South of the tracks was a rail yard. Not sure what's worse.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

South of the tracks was a rail yard. Not sure what's worse.

It's all bad.

[J.OT13]

Senators' owner Michael Andlauer sends message to NCC officials

He also squashes rumours the Belleville Senators will move to Hamilton and says they're "here to stay".

Author of the article:Bruce Garrioch
Published Jan 10, 2025 • Last updated 53 minutes ago • 4 minute read

Michael Andlauer has served notice to the National Capital Commission that he wants to get a deal for a new arena at LeBreton Flats across the finish line once and for all.

While the Ottawa Senators’ owner remains optimistic the two sides will get a final deal in place for the organization to purchase 10 acres of land to build a new arena at LeBreton Flats, Andlauer indicated there’s a lot of work left to be done between the organization and NCC officials.

Nearly four months after Senators’ president Cyril Leeder and NCC chief executive officer Tobi Nussbaum announced the landmark agreement for the club to purchase the land to build a new arena on the site located 10 minutes West of Parliament Hill the two sides.

“First, it’s a process,” Andlauer told TSN’s Claire Hanna after the second period of the club’s 4-0 loss to the Buffalo Sabres on Thursday night at the Canadian Tire Centre. “I was told that dealing with the NCC was going to be difficult, it was.

“It took a whole year to get this (sales agreement) deal done. I’m optimistic, but I’m cautious as well. Like I’ve said, I always want to do what’s best interests for the fans and it’s got to be right for our fans. To be continued, but it’s a process. It takes longer than I’d like to unfortunately.”

Andlauer indicated that one of the hurdles remaining for the two sides to agree on is a “fair market value” for the club’s land purchase.

“The understanding is there and there were terms in our agreement that talked about ‘fair market value’, which I’m totally for and that’s what I want _ what’s fair,” Andlauer said. “Let’s just hope the NCC doesn’t change the rules at the last second.”

The deal announced on Sept. 20 came together at the 11th hour with neither side wanting to extend the discussions past a deadline for a memorandum of understanding to expire.

There was no price tag revealed by the NCC, but the organization did say it would be sold at “fair market value” after an assessment.

If the Senators and NCC can’t agree on the value of the land that would throw a massive wrench into these negotiations and neither side wants to lose this deal because there have been countless hours to put in already to try to make the dream of a downtown arena a reality.

Leeder stated after the agreement was made there was a lot of work to be done and had no idea when the club might put shovels in the ground.

“You’ve got geotechnical studies, transportation and mobility studies, how do you get 20,000 people in and out right away with the right method?” Leeder said. “We’ve got to get financing done, zoning done and a number of other studies, including environment and a cleanup plan.

“There’s a bunch of work that has to happen to make this work and that now starts in earnest.”

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https://ottawasun.com/sports/senators-ow...-sends-message-to-ncc-officials?tbref=hp

[rocketphish]

Ottawa Senators' frustrated purchase at LeBreton isn't finalized with NCC
The NCC's board of directors will meet this week, which will include an update on the Senators purchase of 10 acres of land at LeBreton Flats.

Bruce Garrioch, Ottawa Citizen
Published Jan 21, 2025 • Last updated 4 hours ago • 4 minute read

Time is of the essence for the Ottawa Senators.

The National Capital Commission’s board of directors will meet in camera on Wednesday afternoon and in public on Thursday morning at its headquarters on Elgin Street for its first session of 2025.

Senators’ officials will be closely eyeing this one from their offices at the Canadian Tire Centre.

The agenda of the private session on Wednesday on the LeBreton Flats project includes an update on the progress of talks concerning the Senators’ purchase of 10 acres to build a new downtown arena. The session will last twenty minutes.

Four months after Senators president Cyril Leeder and NCC chief executive officer Tobi Nussbaum announced the landmark agreement in September for the club to buy the land to build a new arena, the two sides still are trying to finalize the sale agreement, including a purchase price.

National Hockey League sources told Postmedia that not only have NCC officials and the Senators been unable to agree on the land’s “fair market value,” but they are also still trying to find common ground on the size and scope of the cleanup.

League officials say that Senators owner Michael Andlauer and the club’s executives are frustrated because they had hoped to have a purchase deal in place by last Thursday so that the NCC’s board of directors could look at the agreement during this meeting.

With only 20 minutes set aside on the agenda for the in-camera session, which means it’s unlikely they’ll be rubber-stamping a final purchase agreement with the Senators.

Postmedia has been told there are still a lot of hurdles left to clear before that will be the case and Andlauer stated during an interview with TSN’s Claire Hanna on Jan. 9 that he didn’t want NCC officials throwing a curveball into these negotiations.

The cost of the cleanup will affect the final price tag because it will be deducted from whatever the parties agree on the market price for 10 acres if the site is undisturbed.

The Senators and the NCC have commissioned geotechnical reports to determine the cost of cleaning up the site and have to agree on the findings.

“The understanding is there and there were terms in our agreement that talked about ‘fair market value,’ which I’m totally for and that’s what I want — what’s fair,” Andlauer said. “Let’s just hope the NCC doesn’t change the rules at the last second.”

That doesn’t mean the two sides won’t get a deal in place, it’s just not happening as quickly as the Senators would like because they’d like to get down to brass tacks on this project as fast as possible — they need to get financing in place and have to know the costs involved.

“Negotiating with a government agency is never easy,” a local developer told Postmedia. “The NCC is notorious for being slow.”

Andlauer has stated he’s optimistic the Senators can play Opening Night to start the 2029-30 campaign at the new site, but the reality is everything would have to go perfectly for that to be the case.

We’re expecting Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s minority Liberal government to fall when Parliament reconvenes on March 24 with a speech from the throne. If that’s the case, Canadians will go to the polls in early spring, which would likely further delay this project.

The NCC falls under the watch of Jean-Yves Duclos, the Minister of Public Services and Procurement (PSP), and there will be a change in leadership once an election is held, whether the Liberals remain in power or not. The PSP will have to sign off on this agreement.

The deal announced on Sept. 20 came together at the 11th hour with neither side wanting to extend the discussions past a deadline for a memorandum of understanding to expire.

There was no price tag revealed by the NCC, but the organization did say it would be sold at “fair market value” after an assessment.

If the Senators and NCC can’t agree on the value of the land that would throw a massive wrench into these negotiations and neither side wants to lose this deal because there have been countless hours to put in to make the dream of a downtown arena a reality.

Leeder stated after the agreement there was a lot of work to be done and had no idea when the club might put shovels in the ground.

The organization made a ‘To Do’ list in September.

The list included the design of the rink, a geotechnical report to test the soils, which has been done, a transportation study, zoning with the city and remediation — just to name a few.

Working through these areas will allow the Senators to determine how much this project will cost and the timeline of a move downtown.

The price of a new arena in Calgary has been estimated at $1.2 billion, so that’s a good starting point for the Senators.

The Senators have no desire to have the taxpayers fund a new arena. They understand there’s no appetite for that to happen, but believe there is room for negotiation with Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe about possible scenarios.

Leeder has cited the structure used to negotiate Public Private Partnerships (P3s) for the Bell Sensplex and the Richcraft Sensplex. He said those have been successful. That’s also a scenario the city negotiated with the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group for Lansdowne Park.

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https://ottawacitizen.com/ottawa-senators/purchase-lebreton-not-finalized-ncc

[J.OT13]

Some positive signs.

18,000 seat arena;
They are working on design;
They are working on ways to connect with the O-Train Stations.

If they are comfortable doing that work before purchasing the land, they must be pretty confident this will get done.

Senators talks with NCC to finalize LeBreton Flats purchase 'making some progress'

President and CEO Leeder outlined remaining steps that included completion of the purchase, zoning and approvals, design of the building, financing, construction and, finally, the opening.

Author of the article:Bruce Garrioch
Published Mar 20, 2025 • Last updated 18 hours ago • 4 minute read

The Ottawa Senators are taking steps in the right direction to build a new home at LeBreton Flats.

Cyril Leeder, the National Hockey League club’s chief operating officer and president, told season-ticket holders during a lunchtime virtual chat with Steve Staios, the president of hockey operations and general manager, on Thursday that talks with the National Capital Commission were progressing.

The two sides reached an agreement in principle on Sept. 20 for the Senators to purchase 10 acres of land at LeBreton to build a new rink and an arena district, including restaurants and bars.

Since then, the Senators and NCC officials have negotiating during the “due diligence” period to attempt to get the sale across the finish line, but it likely won’t be completed until the end of 2025.

“We’re making some progress,” Leeder said. “I’m encouraged on the LeBreton site. Recently we’ve taken a few steps forward there, and hopefully we can move on from site acquisition and get into some other of the meatier areas — the design, financing and approvals from the city.”

Leeder outlined remaining steps that included completion of the purchase, zoning and approvals, design of the building, financing, construction and, finally, the opening.

“Those are the big steps that have to take place,” Leeder said. “We’re in the front end of that. We’re in the site acquisition and we’ve done a lot of work there with site analysis, and we’ve advanced a number of our due diligence items.”

That includes testing soil to see how much remediation needs to be done on the site before the club can start building. The organization has also met with architects to begin the process of designing a new rink, including the size and how it will connect to Ottawa’s LRT system.

Everybody wants to know when the Senators will move to space just west of Parliament Hill, but Leeder wasn’t ready to commit, saying he still had no idea when shovels would go in the ground.

The Senators’ current home, the Canadian Tire Centre, took four years to plan and 18 months to build. It opened in early 1996.

“It’s going to be a process to get there,” Leeder said. “I hesitate to put a time frame on it because there are so many variables. We don’t know when construction is going to start. Once construction starts, within a few months I could give fans a (date) on when the building will open.

“Right now, we’re not at the point where we could accurately predict when we’re going to get there.”

Staios and Leeder were both asked a wide range of questions. Still, Ian Mendes, the Senators’ vice-president of communications, noted that many wanted to find out if the organization might be able to recoup the first-round draft pick it was ordered to surrender by the NHL because of the botched Evgenii Dadonov deal.

Owner Michael Andlauer is trying to practise patience, hoping that commissioner Gary Bettman will relent. Staios returned from the NHL GM meetings in Palm Beach, Fla., on Wednesday, but clearly wasn’t given any indication by that Bettman would change his mind.

“Is there always some hope? Yes, but we’re not planning on it. The ruling came down and we’re going to live by that,” Staios said.

Staois was also asked what the thought process is in determining when the organization might choose to surrender the pick because it must happen in either 2025 or 2026.

“Trying to determine the best time to do it, whether it’s this year or next, we’ll do an extensive study on the draft,” Staios said. “The amateur scouts are hard at work trying to predict and project this draft.

“There will come a point where we will see where we’ve landed and look at the talent pool in and around there. There are a number of factors that will come into determining when we will relinquish that first-round pick.”

The biggest deal Staios made at the March 8 trade deadline involved sending centre Josh Norris to the Buffalo Sabres for Dylan Cozens, but he did make another trade and on Thursday made some interesting comments about that one.

The last-minute deal to acquire winger Fabian Zetterlund from the San Jose Sharks was completed only 27 seconds before the 3 p.m. deadline.

Staios said he had been working on a bigger deal with the Sharks — which would presumably centred around Norris — that would have brought Zetterlund back in return, but opted to revisit that trade after Norris was dealt for Dylan Cozens.

Norris was drafted by the Sharks at No. 19 overall in 2017 and was part of the Erik Karlsson trade with the Senators in 2018.

“We had some traction in San Jose and it started to look like it could have become a bigger deal, but Zetterlund was a component of it,” Staios said. “After I made the Dylan Cozens deal, I revisited that and continued with the (discussions) on Fabian.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/ottawa-senators/senators-talks-ncc-lebreton-flats-progress

[J.OT13]

Des négociations lentes, loin d’une pelletée de terre

Éric Martel, La Presse
6 mars 2025

Les partisans d’Ottawa et de Gatineau devront s’armer de patience avant de voir un nouvel amphithéâtre des Sénateurs érigé sur les plaines LeBreton.

En septembre, les Sénateurs d’Ottawa obtenaient une entente de principe pour l’achat de ce terrain, situé au centre-ville. La surface de 10 acres appartient actuellement à la Commission de la capitale nationale (CCN), un organisme qui assure la gestion des terrains publics d’Ottawa.

Cette entente laissait présager que les Sénateurs pourraient rapidement acheter le terrain et y construire un nouveau district, dont un aréna, des restaurants et des bars. Il semble qu’on est encore loin d’une première pelletée de terre, malgré l’accord.

« On a eu une entente, et disons que les règles ont changé », a laissé planer le propriétaire des Sénateurs, Michael Andlauer, en entrevue avec La Presse. « On essaie de trouver d’autres façons [de s’entendre]. On continue de discuter. »

« C’est évident pourquoi il n’y a pas de nouveaux développements sur ce terrain depuis 70 ans : la CCN n’est pas aussi impliquée que les résidants de Gatineau et d’Ottawa aimeraient qu’elle le soit. Ça nous fait gratter la tête », avoue-t-il.

Questionnés sur leurs dissidences, tant la CCN que Michael Andlauer ont refusé de s’étendre. « Je ne veux pas trop en parler parce que c’est frustrant. Ça prend tellement de temps », a tranché M. Andlauer.

« Ils ne sont pas très pragmatiques dans leur façon de faire. Ils sont idéologiques, et c’est probablement la raison pour laquelle il n’y a pas de développement sur ce terrain-là », a-t-il ensuite dénoncé.

En janvier, le quotidien Ottawa Citizen rapportait que les deux parties n’arrivaient pas à s’entendre sur la taille du terrain qui serait cédé aux Sénateurs et la portée de la décontamination qu’il serait nécessaire d’y faire.

Long processus

À sa sortie d’une assemblée générale de la CCN, le premier dirigeant de l’organisme, Tobi Nussbaum, dévoilait qu’une entente pour la vente aux Sénateurs pourrait être complétée d’ici la fin de l’année.

« Je suis optimiste qu’on puisse faire quelque chose, mais ça ne va pas aussi vite que je l’aimerais », admet Michael Andlauer. « C’est un projet pour la prochaine génération », laisse-t-il entrevoir.

Pour la communauté d’Ottawa et de Gatineau, le développement des plaines LeBreton représente un vrai feuilleton depuis des années.

Un accord de réaménagement pour le lot était tombé à l’eau, en 2019, alors que l’équipe était sous l’égide de l’ancien propriétaire Eugene Melnyk. À la suite de son décès, en mars 2022, le conseil d’administration de l’équipe a signé un protocole d’accord avec la CCN.

En faisant l’acquisition des Sénateurs, en 2023, Michael Andlauer a du même coup acquis ce protocole d’accord.

« J’ai rapidement réalisé que ce n’était pas une entente qui avait de l’allure. On proposait un terrain qui n’avait pas assez d’espace pour un stationnement. C’était un rideau de fumée pour vendre l’équipe », reproche M. Andlauer.

Des voisins attentifs

De l’autre côté de la rive, les Gatinois suivent le dossier avec intérêt. Le site où se trouverait le nouvel amphithéâtre des Sénateurs n’est qu’à un kilomètre et demi de la frontière gatinoise, à partir de la traverse des Chaudières. En revanche, il faut parcourir actuellement plus de 25 kilomètres pour se rendre au Centre Canadian Tire, situé en banlieue d’Ottawa, à Kanata.

Pour la mairesse de Gatineau, Maude Marquis-Bissonnette, l’arrivée potentielle des Sénateurs à la frontière « représente une opportunité immense » de développement du centre-ville de Gatineau. Celui-ci a été durement affecté par la pandémie.

Entre 2016 et 2021, le nombre de travailleurs y a diminué de plus de moitié, une réduction attribuable à la généralisation du télétravail, selon une étude menée par le Laboratoire de données sur les entreprises de la Chambre de commerce du Canada.

« Ultimement, notre but est que cette relation-là aide au développement de nos infrastructures et mène à du développement économique », explique-t-elle.

La Ville de Gatineau revoit présentement le zonage de son centre-ville, en prévision de l’arrivée d’un tramway. Celui-ci se rendrait jusqu’aux plaines LeBreton.

En revanche, se déplacer jusqu’à l’actuel aréna des Sénateurs en transport en commun à partir de Gatineau relève du marathon. Selon leur localisation dans la ville, le trajet à l’aller peut prendre entre une heure et deux heures et demie, s’il est même réalisable.

La plupart des spectateurs optent donc pour la voiture, faute de solutions de rechange. Ils doivent composer avec les immenses bouchons qui se créent devant le Centre Canadian Tire, à partir de l’autoroute.

« À chaque fois que tu veux assister à un match, tu dois attendre dans ton auto pendant 15 à 20 minutes, en voyant l’aréna au loin, parce que tu es complètement coincé. Et c’est encore pire en sortant », nous explique le partisan des Sénateurs Guillaume Bisson.

« Si l’aréna était plus près, tu pourrais regarder si des billets sont disponibles les soirs de match et y aller à la dernière minute. Mais avec l’emplacement actuel de l’aréna, c’est juste impossible », ajoute un amateur de hockey de la région, Charles-Étienne Leclair-Therrien.

Un autre partisan, Nicolas Huppé, a carrément arrêté de renouveler son abonnement de saison, car il trouvait la route vers l’amphithéâtre trop compliquée.

« Il fallait que je parte à 17 h et que je revienne vers 23 h 30 à la maison. Ce n’est pas évident quand tu travailles tôt le lendemain matin. Après deux ans, je me suis dit que c’était assez », explique-t-il.

Même s’il milite pour la venue des Sénateurs sur les plaines LeBreton, Michael Andlauer défend l’emplacement actuel du club. « Ce n’est pas aussi loin qu’on le pense », assure-t-il.

« Si tu habites à Dorval et que tu vas au match au Centre Bell, ça peut prendre 30 à 45 minutes te rendre, et tu n’as pas encore trouvé de stationnement », raisonne-t-il.

Loin ou pas, l’emplacement de l’aréna des Sénateurs fait jaser depuis le retour de la franchise dans la LNH, en 1992. Mais dans les gradins, les débats seraient-ils aussi houleux si, sur la patinoire, l’équipe avait connu plus de succès ?

Le descripteur des matchs à la radio locale, Unique FM, Nicolas St-Pierre, n’en est pas convaincu. « Oui, il y a peut-être des gens qui lèvent le nez sur cette équipe parce qu’elle est trop loin. Mais quand elle était l’une des meilleures formations de la ligue au début des années 2000, je n’entendais pas grand monde rabrouer l’organisation là-dessus », rappelle-t-il.

« On est mieux de vivre avec, parce qu’entre aujourd’hui et la journée où ils vont jouer leur premier match dans leur nouvel aréna, il faudra attendre au bas mot une décennie. »

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