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Old Posted Nov 16, 2024, 11:32 AM
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Thrilled with Dublin being returned. It's my comfort flight, ha! You know how you have your favourite route to drive somewhere? I just prefer Dublin, then buying a European flight for pocket change to wherever I wanted to get on the continent.

The provincial government put out a news release a couple of days ago that felt a bit bizarre, acknowledging the conclusion of their subsidized London direct connection but not mentioning anything new. They said it was a success and wouldn't need government funding next year, but didnt confirm it would be returning Makes sense now.

I think I'm going to aim for Lisbon in late spring. Fingers crossed there's a direct connection to Dublin running then. I'm too old and bitter to ever again more than double my travel time by having to go to MTL/TO first.
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Next summer, St. John's will have WS direct flights to Dublin, London and Paris!

This is an embarrassment of riches compared to any other similar sized city in North America.

Of course it helps that St. John's is already halfway to Europe anyway.

All you need is a run of the mill 737, and it's shorter than a routine trans continental flight in North America.

Interesting that the frequency for all three routes combined is 7x weekly. This suggests they are going to base one 737 in St. John's, and cycle through all three European destinations on a weekly basis.

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I'm not greedy. I just need the one. Coming back from... I can't remember if it was Ireland/UK pre-COVID or Spain afterward, but flying over St. John's, over St. Pierre, landing in Halifax (which is obviously closer than TO/MTL), even that was still SO demoralizing. It's just so annoying. It'd be different if the transatlantic flight paths weren't right under us. Malaga-TO-Bermuda wouldn't annoy me at all.
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@q12, do you have the hyperlink to that WS page? It seems like it’s been removed from the schedules page, so probably a premature update that went live ahead of a pending announcement.

I don’t think anyone could have predicted YYT-CDG, but with AF’s codeshare, I can see this working. Not surprising to see YHZ-YYT return. YHZ’s transatlantic offering is pretty incredible.
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YEG SLC and ORD are great additions.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2024, 6:01 PM
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I screenshotted them yesterday from Westjet's own website here:

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/flights/direct-flights

I'm glad I did as the schedule update was likely not suppose to go live yet on their website.

I wonder if we'll see YHZ-MAN as it was suppose to happen in 2020:

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WestJet to add seasonal Halifax-Manchester service, opening 16 connection options
SaltWire Network | Posted: Jan. 16, 2020, 5:39 p.m. | Updated: Jan. 16, 2020, 7:58 p.m. | 3 Min Read
https://www.saltwire.com/halifax/bus...summer-399166/
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Here's the full list of new WS routes for S25 when compared to this past summer:

YYC-RDU 3x weekly
YYC-ANC 2x weekly
YYC-MSP 4x weekly (this has been loaded for a few months now)
YYC-YQY 2x weekly
YYC-YSB 2x weekly
YEG-ORD 3x weekly
YEG-SLC 5x weekly
YLW-SEA 1x daily (Already announced)
YVR-BOS 1x daily
YVR-TPA 1x weekly
YHZ-CDG 4x weekly
YYT-DUB 2x weekly
YYT-CDG 1x weekly

They also have year-round extensions on:
YYC-TPA
YYC-FLL
YYC-LIR

In terms of the 787s, the only real change is
YYC-ICN Increased to 4x weekly

YYZ-YDF has been removed, so YDF will only be served to YYC.

With YQY, YYC will have non-stop access to 7 destinations in Atlantic Canada.
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Here's the full list of new WS routes for S25 when compared to this past summer:

YYC-RDU 3x weekly
YYC-ANC 2x weekly
YYC-MSP 4x weekly (this has been loaded for a few months now)
YYC-YQY 2x weekly
YYC-YSB 2x weekly
YEG-ORD 3x weekly
YEG-SLC 5x weekly
YLW-SEA 1x daily (Already announced)
YVR-BOS 1x daily
YVR-TPA 1x weekly
YHZ-CDG 4x weekly
YYT-DUB 2x weekly
YYT-CDG 1x weekly

They also have year-round extensions on:
YYC-TPA
YYC-FLL
YYC-LIR

In terms of the 787s, the only real change is
YYC-ICN Increased to 4x weekly

YYZ-YDF has been removed, so YDF will only be served to YYC.

With YQY, YYC will have non-stop access to 7 destinations in Atlantic Canada.
So is this it? Is this the complete list for new routes for S25? Will any other new routes be announced?
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I bet they will have some changes between now and the summer, it's along time away still so wouldn't be surprised.

That information was definitely not mean to come out, yikes! WS for sure intended to keep it a secret until Monday, so having it on aeroroutes.com will get it reposted everywhere, Daily Hive, travel sites, etc... Good to see YYT and YHZ getting their Europe footings back, it was certainly not a given after the pandemic, WS was not exactly loving the East back then. So a great relief I would imagine to people in Atlantic Canada, to see these routes reestablishing. A rare example of provinces outside Western Canada getting some love.

And then some fun adds for the West. Separated out the three airports, and did a little commentary on the additions at each. Some general observations overall:

The only route that appears to be season is YYC-ANC, in that it's the only listing that has an end date, the others just have start dates. This was hot behind the scenes information though, WS could have concealed the information leak right away, before it got clocked. so there might be corrections/clarifications once WS makes their formal announcement.

Interestingly, it appears YEG is the only airport that is getting its own media event:

MEDIA ADVISORY - WestJet to make summer schedule announcement for Edmonton International Airport

I assume this is regarding the new WS flights to ORD and SLC, I can't imagine it's anything else. Nice PR for them to do that, and undoubtedly YEG's adds are more important and will have more relative impact on YEG than the YYC and YVR adds have. So it is good on WS for giving it the whole show and press opportunity. They may or may not even mention the YVR or YYC adds right away, or not with the same fanfare as ORD and SLC. Does WS even do big press airport announcements at YYC lol, I feel like they add things all the time and never gets an occasion (understandably so haha).

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Calgary – Anchorage 29JUN25 – 31AUG25 3 weekly 737-700/-800
Calgary – Raleigh/Durham eff 30JUN25 3 weekly 737-800/MAX 8

What you see in Calgary now is very much indicative of fortress hub behaviour. WS reached new levels with its global hub in YYC, and had dwarfed onetime rival YYZ, who rivalled YYC by many metrics. That's ancient history now, and WS just kept adding and adding, to the point where they have most major destinations covered, and have moved down to filling in the secondary markets like BNA,
RDU, and ANC. Like AA out of DFW or DL from ATL, they both have mammoth destination lists. With all major markets covered, plus all the big sun destinations (I don't count Tennessee, Georgia, New Orelans, or Texas as sun destinations, they might be sunny and southern, but they don't fit the criteria. Sun destinations are places like PSP, PHX, SNA, and all the Mexico/Caribbean spots. ATL, IAD, DFW are major economies and of great importance, they may be warm but they aren't just tourists golfing and beaching it up).
So moving onto the next tier of airports is just entrenching even deeper. Other airlines definitely know WS is the dominant force; other airlines are being very demure with additions, don't want to poke the bear lol. Expect additions of second tier places to continue, maybe even Encore if it makes sense.

YEG
Edmonton – Chicago O'Hare eff 04JUN25 3 weekly 737
Edmonton – Salt Lake City eff 15MAY25 5 weekly 737

I know from reading the YEG forum for years that these airports were musts to get back, so kudos to WS for doing it. SLC is a DL hub so there's extra incentive, but ORD is not. Chicago is just an insanely important city and airport hub, that to not have a non-stop link is a travesty. I'm sure it was a financially supported addition as well, but something tells me they added it because it was so important to YEG. It will solidfy them as the largest and most supportive carrier at YEG (not counting Flair, they change all the time so I don't even know when they're up or down). If I were to nitpick, it's that 3x weekly each is decent but not great, they are not destinations like Orlando or Los Cabos which make sense with 1x, 2x, or 3x frequencies. But ORD and SLC, it is skimpy. But hey, that's nitpicking and a minor detail compared to the significance of going the routes.

YVR
Vancouver – Boston eff 09JUN25 4 weekly 737-800/MAX 8 (5 weekly from 24JUN25, 1 daily from 02JUL25, 6 weekly from 01SEP25, 5 weekly from 21SEP25, 4 weekly from 28SEP25)
Vancouver – Tampa eff 14JUN25 1 weekly 737-800/MAX 8

This continues the subdued, understated love that WS has for YVR haha. It isn't laid on thick like YYC, but is consistent, and appreciated after all these years (YVR was a founder city for WS, so the ties go way back). I totally forgot AC stopped BOS, and it was only JetBlue now. Funny to see WS take BOS after AC, seems so much more of an AC route. But BOS is an emerging DL hub, so there's the WS/DL partnership. Not sure how much that matters for YVR-BOS though, so still likely O&D. Anyways, a good addition nonetheless, I just hope JetBlue stays, I appreciate the airline diversity more than WS flying it . And daily for summer is really good, that's a real route, not like 3x weekly nonesense to major airports!

The TPA add is the most random I have seen from them in a long time, it is completely out of left field. Of all the destinations, I had no idea this was even in the running for a YVR link. And in the summer no less, thought for sure it would be winter only. I'd have thought WS would sooner boost capacity on an existing route before doing 1x weekly to Tampa. But hey, I will take it; I do love the new destination add (the AC addition to BNA and WS to BOS are both existing routes, and existing airlines, so not the same excitement as a new city). I just like seeing WS hold its own and add transborder at YVR, I've mentioned in several posts over the years about I like seeing both WS and AC succeed, and don't want to see one of them bully the other out. I hope WS keeps BNA, despite AC's not-so-discrete jab at them by launching their own BNA service. Sharing is caring haha, and unless AC is willing to do even more, we need WS's presence and growth. The only place WS was really bullied out is SNA, and they fought long and hard to not give up, it wasn't instant retreat. They hung on for years and years, on a tough market. But they have been strong against AC on LAS, PHX, PSP, across all Mexican destinations, plus Hawaii (both share 3 destinations). And then they will have LIH, ORL, ATL, DTW, BOS, and TPA as routes that AC doesn't operate (and had BNA, until AC announced their service). So it's quite telling that only SNA was a casualty, let's hope it stays that way (or moves up, like today's announcement)
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All of the new routes are seasonal and do have end dates, but aero routes based it off what was loaded under DL codeshares. It’ll better once it actually is loaded by WS themselves.

YYC-RDU also starts June 9 and not the 30th.
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Wow, extremely dissapointing for YWG. All of WS hubs and focus cities, plus YHZ and YYT, get significant route expansions......except for YWG: nothing but crickets. Are we still even a bloody focus city??

What a complete let-down for YWG this summer schedule is
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Wow, extremely dissapointing for YWG. All of WS hubs and focus cities, plus YHZ and YYT, get significant route expansions......except for YWG: nothing but crickets. Are we still even a bloody focus city??

What a complete let-down for YWG this summer schedule is
Seriously? YYZ also has nothing new loaded. YWG’s done mighty well with WS over the past 18 months.

YYC-YSB seems like a long overdue no-brainer.
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Seriously? YYZ also has nothing new loaded. YWG’s done mighty well with WS over the past 18 months.
Compares to the other focus cities, WS has done the least for YWG. Transborder traffic is growing strongly, and International traffic is picking up as well. Many at YWG expected some significant announcements from WS for S25. So yes, many of us will feel very let down by this.

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WestJet NS25 Network & Frequency Changes – 17NOV24

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Written By Jim Liu
Published at 1240GMT 17NOV24

WestJet during the weekend of 16NOV24’s schedule update filed operational changes to its Northern summer 2025 season, between 01MAY25 and 25OCT25, featuring the addition of 11 routes, and the extension of 2 routes to year-round.

Intercontinental network additions:
Halifax – Paris Charles de Gaulle eff 16MAY25 4 weekly 737 MAX 8(Last served until October 2022)
WS062 YHZ2315 – 1026+1CDG 7M8 x136
WS063 CDG1140 – 1347YHZ 7M8 x247

St. John’s NFLD – Dublin eff 22MAY25 2 weekly 737 MAX 8(Last served until October 2018)
WS058 YYT0030 – 0836DUB 7M8 24
WS059 DUB1000 – 1139YYT 7M8 24

St. John’s NFLD – Paris Charles de Gaulle eff 18MAY25 1 weekly 737 MAX 8
WS054 YYT0030 – 1015CDG 7M8 7
WS049 CDG1130 – 1304YYT 7M8 7

Other intercontinental network changes:
Calgary – Seoul Incheon 27APR25 – 24OCT25 Service increases from 3 to 4 weekly, 787-9
Calgary – Tokyo Narita 01SEP25 – 25OCT25 7th weekly service restored, 787-9
Halifax – London Gatwick eff 28APR25 Service reduces from 4 to 3 weekly, 737 MAX 8
St. John’s NFLD – London Gatwick eff 28APR25 Service increases from 3 to 4 weekly, 737 MAX 8

US, Central America and Caribbean Service additions:
Calgary – Anchorage 29JUN25 – 31AUG25 3 weekly 737-700/-800
WS1640 YYC1315 – 1458ANC 737 57
WS1049 ANC1600 – 2141YYC 737 57

Calgary – Fort Lauderdale 1 weekly service offered for entire summer season with 737. This route in NS25 was scheduled until 15JUN24
Calgary – Liberia eff 05JUN25 Service extends to year-round, 1 weekly 737 (This route in was scheduled until 24MAY24 in 2023/24 season)
Calgary – Minneapolis/St. Paul eff 27APR25 4 weekly 737-700 (Previous: 1 daily)
Calgary – Raleigh/Durham 09JUN25 – 13OCT25 3 weekly 737-800/MAX 8 (This was listed as eff 30JUN25 in yesterday’s report, based on Delta codeshare filing)
WS1282 YYC1115 – 1738RDU 737 135
WS1789 RDU1835 – 2132YYC 737 135

Edmonton – Chicago O'Hare eff 04JUN25 3 weekly 737
WS1148 YEG0805 – 1242ORD 737 367
WS1149 ORD1340 – 1640YEG 737 367

Edmonton – Salt Lake City eff 15MAY25 5 weekly 737
WS1124 YEG0730 – 0948SLC 737 x67
WS1455 SLC1100 – 1324YEG 737 x67

Vancouver – Boston eff 09JUN25 4 weekly 737-800/MAX 8 (5 weekly from 24JUN25, 1 daily from 02JUL25, 6 weekly from 01SEP25, 5 weekly from 21SEP25, 4 weekly from 28SEP25)
WS1128 YVR0940 – 1810BOS 737 D
WS1773 BOS1855 – 2205YVR 737 D

Vancouver – Tampa eff 14JUN25 1 weekly 737-800/MAX 8
WS1284 YVR0920 – 1743TPA 737 6
WS1285 TPA1840 – 2154YVR 737 6

Winnipeg – Orlando eff 03MAY25 Service extends to year-round, 1 weekly 737

Selected US, Central America and Caribbean frequency changes based on week 32 comparison 2024 (04-10AUG24) vs 2025 (03-09AUG25):
Calgary – Atlanta Increase from 13 to 15 weekly
Calgary – Austin Increase from 2 to 3 weekly
Calgary – Denver Increase from 7 to 10 weekly
Calgary – Detroit Increase from 7 to 8 weekly
Calgary – Las Vegas Increase from 19 to 20 weekly
Calgary – Los Angeles Increase from 26 to 28 weekly
Calgary – Nashville Increase from 5 to 7 weekly
Calgary – New York JFK Increase from 6 to 7 weekly
Calgary – Orange County Increase from 3 to 7 weekly
Calgary – Orlando Increase from 5 to 7 weekly
Calgary – Palm Springs Reduce from 3 to 2 weekly
Calgary – Phoenix Reduce from 20 to 18 weekly
Calgary – Portland OR Reduce from 2 to 1 daily
Calgary – Puerto Vallarta Reduce from 7 to 6 weekly
Calgary – San Francisco Increase from 20 to 21 weekly
Calgary – Washington Dulles Increase from 2 to 3 weekly
Toronto – Antigua Reduce from 2 to 1 weekly
Toronto – Aruba Increase from 3 to 4 weekly
Toronto – Bridgetown (Barbados) Service Cancelled in NS25
Toronto – Fort Lauderdale Increase from 5 to 6 weekly
Toronto – Las Vegas Reduce from 10 to 7 weekly
Toronto – Los Angeles Reduce from 2 to 1 daily
Toronto – Kingston Increase from 3 to 4 weekly
Toronto – Montego Bay Increase from 7 to 8 weekly
Toronto – Nashville Increase from 5 to 7 weekly
Toronto – Puerto Plata Service cancelled in NS25
Toronto – Punta Cana Increase from 6 to 7 weekly
Toronto –Tampa Increase from 3 to 4 weekly
Vancouver – Atlanta Increase from 14 to 15 weekly
Vancouver – Kahului Increase from 4 to 5 weekly
Vancouver – Las Vegas Increase from 13 to 14 weekly
Vancouver – Nashville Increase from 2 to 3 weekly
Vancouver – Orange County Service cancelled
Vancouver – Puerto Vallarta Reduce from 4 to 3 weekly
Vancouver – San Diego Reduce from 5 to 4 weekly

Domestic network additions:
Calgary – Sudbury eff 12JUN25 2 weekly 737-700
WS756 YYC0855 – 1421YSB 73W 47
WS757 YSB1525 – 1732YYC 73W 47

Calgary – Sydney NS eff 10JUN25 2 weekly 737
WS748 YYC1045 – 1851YQY 737 26
WS749 YQY1940 – 2212YYC 737 26

Selected domestic frequency changes based on week 32 comparison 2024 (04-10AUG24) vs 2025 (03-09AUG25), or notable filing:
Calgary – Abbotsford Increase from 28 to 34 weekly
Calgary – Charlottetown Reduce from 5 to 4 weekly
Calgary – Cranbrook Reduce from 21 to 11 weekly
Calgary – Deer Lake Reduce from 4 to 2 weekly
Calgary – Edmonton Increase from 62 to 63 weekly
Calgary – Fort McMurray Increase from 29 to 31 weekly
Calgary – Fredericton Increase from 2 to 3 weekly
Calgary – Grande Prairie Increase from 31 to 36 weekly
Calgary – Halifax Increase from 23 to 25 weekly
Calgary – Hamilton Reduce from 8 to 7 weekly
Calgary – Kelowna Increase from 52 to 60 weekly
Calgary – Kitchener/Waterloo Reduce from 10 to 9 weekly
Calgary – Lethbridge Reduce from 21 to 7 weekly
Calgary – Medicine Hat Reduce from 21 to 7 weekly
Calgary – Moncton Reduce from 8 to 7 weekly
Calgary – Montreal Increase from 13 to 14 weekly
Calgary – Nanaimo Increase from 21 to 28 weekly
Calgary – Ottawa Increase from 22 to 26 weekly
Calgary – Prince George Increase from 7 to 13 weekly
Calgary – Regina Reduce from 46 to 43 weekly
Calgary – Quebec City Increase from 2 to 4 weekly
Calgary – St. John’s NFLD Reduce from 13 to 9 weekly
Calgary – Saskatoon Increase from 46 to 47 weekly
Calgary – Thunder Bay Increase from 5 to 7 weekly
Calgary – Toronto Increase from 65 to 76 weekly
Calgary – Vancouver Increase from 111 to 119 weekly
Calgary – Victoria Increase from 48 to 54 weekly
Calgary – Windsor Increase from 3 to 4 weekly
Calgary – Winnipeg Increase from 48 to 54 weekly
Calgary – Yellowknife Reduce from 10 to 7 weekly
Edmonton – Abbotsford Reduce from 14 to 7 weekly
Edmonton – Calgary Increase from 62 to 63 weekly
Edmonton – Comox Increase from 7 to 12 weekly
Edmonton – Fort McMurray Reduce from 11 to 10 weekly
Edmonton – Grande Prairie Increase from 4 to 11 weekly
Edmonton – Halifax Reduce from 16 to 12 weekly
Edmonton – Kelowna Increase from 23 to 28 weekly
Edmonton – Moncton Reduce from 4 to 3 weekly
Edmonton – Montreal Reduce from 7 to 5 weekly
Edmonton – Ottawa Increase from 7 to 13 weekly
Edmonton – Regina Increase from 6 to 14 weekly
Edmonton – St. John’s NFLD Reduce from 7 to 5 weekly
Edmonton – Saskatoon Increase from 7 to 14 weekly
Edmonton – Toronto Increase from 29 to 42 weekly
Edmonton – Vancouver Increase from 40 to 53 weekly
Edmonton – Victoria Increase from 20 to 21 weekly
Edmonton – Winnipeg Increase from 22 to 28 weekly
Edmonton – Yellowknife Reduce from 6 to 4 weekly
Toronto – Calgary Increase from 66 to 76 weekly
Toronto – Edmonton Increase from 29 to 42 weekly
Toronto – Halifax Reduce from 21 to 14 weekly
Toronto – Ottawa 1 daily service maintained in summer season
Toronto – Vancouver Increase from 48 to 55 weekly
Toronto – Victoria Increase from 2 to 4 weekly
Toronto – Winnipeg Reduce from 29 to 28 weekly
Vancouver – Calgary Increase from 110 to 119 weekly
Vancouver – Cranbrook Reduce from 7 to 3 weekly
Vancouver – Edmonton Increase from 38 to 53 weekly
Vancouver – Halifax Seasonal service cancelled in 2025
Vancouver – Kelowna Increase from 27 to 35 weekly
Vancouver – Montreal Reduce from 7 to 6 weekly
Vancouver – Nanaimo Reduce from 14 to 7 weekly
Vancouver – Saskatoon Increase from 10 to 11 weekly
Vancouver – Terrace Reduce from 15 to 13 weekly
Vancouver – Toronto Increase from 49 to 55 weekly
Vancouver – Victoria Increase from 25 to 27 weekly
Vancouver – Winnipeg Increase from 19 to 21 weekly
Winnipeg – Calgary Increase from 48 to 54 weekly
Winnipeg – Edmonton Increase from 22 to 28 weekly
Winnipeg – Halifax Reduce from 9 to 7 weekly
Winnipeg – Kelowna Increase from 2 to 3 weekly
Winnipeg – Montreal Reduce from 7 to 6 weekly
Winnipeg – Regina Increase from 5 to 11 weekly
Winnipeg – Saskatoon Increase from 12 to 13 weekly
Winnipeg – Thunder Bay Reduce from 13 to 7 weekly
Winnipeg – Toronto Reduce from 29 to 28 weekly
Winnipeg –Vancouver Increase from 19 to 21 weekly
Winnipeg – Victoria Increase from 2 to 3 weekly
Source: Aeroroutes https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/241117-wsns25
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Compares to the other focus cities, WS has done the least for YWG. Transborder traffic is growing strongly, and International traffic is picking up as well. Many at YWG expected some significant announcements from WS for S25. So yes, many of us will feel very let down by this.
Again seriously? In the past two years WS has added YWG-LAX/ATL/BNA. Pretty darn good for a city with 50% less population than Calgary/Edmonton/Ottawa, the latter of which has zero service to any of those transborder markets. Have a closer look. Even though there’s no new YWG routes, WS are still +11 weekly domestically for summer 2025.

PD next summer will almost certainly add YWG capacity next summer. I’d expect them to announce YWG-YUL and a 2nd daily YWG-YOW, and 3rd daily YWG-YYZ.
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Wow, extremely dissapointing for YWG. All of WS hubs and focus cities, plus YHZ and YYT, get significant route expansions......except for YWG: nothing but crickets. Are we still even a bloody focus city??

What a complete let-down for YWG this summer schedule is
You seem very triggered and angry both YHZ and YYT can support flights to European destinations (8 for YHZ and 3 for YYT) and YWG cannot.
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You seem very triggered and angry both YHZ and YYT can support flights to European destinations (8 for YHZ and 3 for YYT) and YWG cannot.
No doubt YWG can support service to LGW on a MAX. The problem is YWG isn’t within MAX range of LGW whereas YYT-DUB is shorter than YOW-YVR.

Maybe YWG/Manitoba could present a bag full of money in front of AF to get them to launch seasonal 3x weekly CDG service on a 332 like they successfully did with WS for LAX & ATL.
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Compares to the other focus cities, WS has done the least for YWG. Transborder traffic is growing strongly, and International traffic is picking up as well. Many at YWG expected some significant announcements from WS for S25. So yes, many of us will feel very let down by this.
Well YWG-MCO is going year round, that's something
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Some insight on the Westjet Europe expansion:

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WestJet Adds 3 More Transatlantic Boeing 737 MAX Routes

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James Pearson

WestJet has added three more transatlantic routes to its summer 2025 network, two of which the carrier has previously served.

According to the schedule update to Cirium Diio over the weekend, Halifax to Paris Charles de Gaulle and St John's to Dublin and CDG are coming. They are now bookable. St John's-Dublin becomes the airline's new shortest transatlantic link.

WestJet's three MAX routes
They are shown below. They include Halifax to Paris CDG, with the first flight in over two-and-a-half years to lift off on May 16, 2025.



The 2,640 nautical mile (4,889 km) route is longer than the 10 shortest transatlantic services. However, it will 'only' be WestJet's fourth-longest European narrowbody operation after Toronto-Edinburgh, Toronto-Dublin, and Calgary-Keflavik.

Halifax to Paris CDG
May 16, 2025
Four times weekly
To CDG: 23:15-10:26+1; from CDG: 11:40-13:47
7h 7m

WestJet served the market from 2018-2019, when it operated daily, and then again in 2022 when it was four times weekly. Zoom operated in 2007 using the 757-200ER

St John's to Dublin
May 22, 2025
Twice-weekly
To Dublin: 00:30-08:36; from Dublin: 10:00-11:39
5h 13m

WestJet served the market from 2014-2018 on the 737-700; it nearly always ran daily, quite a contrast to twice-weekly! It was the carrier's first European route

St John's to Paris CDG
May 18, 2025
Weekly (!)
To CDG: 00:30-10:15; from CDG: 11:30-13:04
6h 4m

Not served by any operator before. It is unusual for a transatlantic link to have only a weekly service, which I'm sure will be examined separately another time

* Either direction

How popular are they?

Booking data shows that Halifax-CDG had 16,000 roundtrip point-to-point passengers in the year to July 2024. It was just 3,000 (!) for St John's-CDG and a ridiculously low 2,000 for St John's-Dublin, hence such low frequencies on low-capacity equipment. Obviously, most of the traffic flew in the summer.

Based on its previous service, WestJet will know what traffic it can get for two of these markets. It will also easily stimulate the market from non-stop flights, relatively low fares at times, and hopefully good promotions. Passengers can also continue to Toronto and beyond.

WestJet to Europe in July 2025

As of November 18 and subject to change, the carrier plans 319 European departures in July 2025. That is based on analyzing its network based on what it has submitted to Cirium Diio. That will be its highest-ever volume, surpassing its previous record of 292 departures held in July 2022.

Calgary-Barcelona: four times weekly 787-9
Calgary-Dublin: four times weekly 787-9
Calgary-Edinburgh: four times weekly 787-9
Calgary-Keflavik: four times weekly 737 MAX 8
Calgary-London Heathrow: daily 787-9
Calgary-Paris CDG: daily 787-9
Calgary-Rome: daily 787-9
Halifax-Dublin: four times weekly 737 MAX 8
Halifax-Edinburgh: three times weekly 737 MAX 8
Halifax-London Gatwick: three times weekly 737 MAX 8
Halifax-Paris CDG: four times weekly 737 MAX 8
Toronto-Dublin: daily 737 MAX 8
Toronto-Edinburgh: daily 737 MAX 8
St John's-Dublin: twice-weekly 737 MAX 8
St John's-London Gatwick: four times weekly 737 MAX 8
St John's-Paris CDG: weekly 737 MAX 8
https://simpleflying.com/westjet-add...37-max-routes/
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2024, 3:19 PM
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The Westjet St. John's Europe service is still subsidized by the province of Newfoundland and Labrador according to the press release from today:

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Provincial Government Celebrates Success and Expansion of Direct Routes to Europe
Executive Council
Tourism, Culture, Arts and Recreation
November 18, 2024

Following the incredible success of WestJet’s 2024 direct St. John’s-London Gatwick route, more progress is being made on the province’s international connectivity. This morning, the Honourable Dr. Andrew Furey, Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador, joined representatives from the St. John’s International Airport Authority and WestJet to celebrate the extension of the direct flight to London-Gatwick through to 2027, as well as two additional direct European routes: Dublin, Ireland, and Paris, France.

In partnership with the Provincial Government, the St. John’s International Airport Authority has entered into an agreement with WestJet to operate the London-Gatwick flight four days per week, the Dublin flight two days per week, and the Paris flight one day per week. From May until October, Newfoundland and Labrador will have direct access to Europe seven days per week.
https://www.gov.nl.ca/releases/2024/exec/1118n02/
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