Highway 1 Fraser Valley Phase 2&3: 216th to Hwy 11 | U/C - Page 17

madog222 · #**321** Posted **Nov 11, 2024, 2:19 AM**

Thanks, the frequent updates are great!

You managed to catch some idiot making two u-turns after missing their turn.

Metro-One · #**322** Posted **Nov 11, 2024, 3:23 AM**

Thanks for the updates! Has work started on the 264th interchange?

madog222 · #**323** Posted **Nov 11, 2024, 4:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

Thanks for the updates! Has work started on the 264th interchange?

The 264th interchange is part of the next phase, construction scheduled to start in 2026.

ssiguy · #**324** Posted **Nov 11, 2024, 9:18 PM**

Is this widening going to be just the addition of one HOV lane or one extra lane AND one HOV lane?

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**325** Posted **Nov 11, 2024, 11:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by ssiguy

Is this widening going to be just the addition of one HOV lane or one extra lane AND one HOV lane?

HOV only. so no real upgrade and a waste of money and resources.

dharper · #**326** Posted **Nov 12, 2024, 1:58 AM**

Don't know if there having an issue driving piles at the 232 overpass, as they haven't driven the piles much in the last month. Every time I drive over the 232 overpass, I can see the marking 85(metres or feet) on the pile closest to the overpass and it hasn't been driven any in the last month.

Metro-One · #**327** Posted **Nov 12, 2024, 3:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by madog222

The 264th interchange is part of the next phase, construction scheduled to start in 2026.

Ah, that's right, but I wouldn't be surprised if some clearing and preloading proceeds that next year.

Metro-One · #**328** Posted **Nov 12, 2024, 3:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

HOV only. so no real upgrade and a waste of money and resources.

While I agree that it should be widened to 4 lanes each direction to Abbotsford (highway 11) saying that this is no real upgrade and a waste of money is hyperbolic.

All the older / under height overpass structures are being replaces, which is a big improvement for trucks, all the older interchanges are being rebuilt (the new 264th interchange alone will be huge improvement to traffic flow) and the third new lane will offer some relief (though I feel it should be HOV during rush hour only) and while I don't like bus on shoulder lanes, the shoulders will at least extended to a decent width to do so for the shoulder bus lanes.

Overall a 7/10

LeftCoaster · #**329** Posted **Nov 12, 2024, 10:13 PM**

I'm guessing that the new overpasses allow for the highway to be expanded to 4 or even 5 lanes wide without rebuilding of the overpasses?

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**330** Posted **Nov 12, 2024, 10:51 PM**

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I'm guessing that the new overpasses allow for the highway to be expanded to 4 or even 5 lanes wide without rebuilding of the overpasses?

i mean, i would hope so... though wouldnt be the first time BC doesnt think that far ahead.

ssiguy · #**331** Posted **Nov 13, 2024, 2:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

HOV only. so no real upgrade and a waste of money and resources.

How pathetic.

What is it with BC that it simply won't spend money on it's roadways? What makes the situation even more bizarre is that BC is a export terminal and yet you can't even get from the only highway connecting to the rest of the country to the airport, freight port, or ferry terminals on a freeway.

chowhou · #**332** Posted **Nov 13, 2024, 2:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by ssiguy

What makes the situation even more bizarre is that BC is a export terminal and yet you can't even get from the only highway connecting to the rest of the country to the airport, freight port, or ferry terminals on a freeway.

That would be because most exports out of BC are arriving by rail.

Axe · #**333** Posted **Nov 13, 2024, 6:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by ssiguy

How pathetic.

What is it with BC that it simply won't spend money on it's roadways? What makes the situation even more bizarre is that BC is a export terminal and yet you can't even get from the only highway connecting to the rest of the country to the airport, freight port, or ferry terminals on a freeway.

They do spend a lot money on roads, but no matter how much you spend on Roads it will never fix traffic.
The best way is to build mixed use neighborhoods with good Transit ,cycling and walking infrastructure.
Then some people can take trips without a car freeing up road space for people who need to drive.

mcj · #**334** Posted **Nov 13, 2024, 6:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by ssiguy

How pathetic.

What is it with BC that it simply won't spend money on it's roadways? What makes the situation even more bizarre is that BC is a export terminal and yet you can't even get from the only highway connecting to the rest of the country to the airport, freight port, or ferry terminals on a freeway.

Hey! Welcome back from your slumber, the year is now 2024 and the South Fraser Perimeter Road was completed in 2013 connecting Highway 1 to Surrey and Delta's ports along the Fraser as well as Deltaport. This provides a direct freeway connection to our South Fraser export terminals. As well as our main ferry terminal.

Over the last decade we've also seen Commissioner Road have several upgrades for direct and continuous truck access to the Port of Vancouver right off the McGill Street exit from Highway 1 (this also made space for additional rail tracks). This provided both better rail and road access direct from the Freeway to the Port of Vancouver!

Not to mention of course Horseshoe Bay which had its access upgraded with the Sea to Sky Highway expansion in 2009, also providing direct freeway access.

I'm not sure where you're getting this information that you cannot get from a BC export/ferry terminal to the freeway easily...

sweetnhappy · #**335** Posted **Nov 15, 2024, 2:40 AM**

The SFPR is a highway, not a freeway. Freeway aka Controlled-Access Highway

Metro-One · #**336** Posted **Nov 15, 2024, 1:20 PM**

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The SFPR is a highway, not a freeway. Freeway aka Controlled-Access Highway

The SFPR is what I would call a BC special.

Much like the inland island highway between Nanaimo and Campbell River, the 17 into Victoria, the 91 until only a few years ago, the #1 between Kamloops and Chase, etc…

It’s a road that’s stuck in a bizarre realm between a highway and a freeway. With stupid mixes of interchanges and traffic lights while largely being (or entirely) controlled access outside of said intersections (uses side roads and has no direct business access)

The 17 in Victoria is perhaps the poster child of this. It’s a freeway with interchanges, then freeway like with frontage roads but traffic lights instead of interchanges, then freeway again with interchanges, then a highway that even has direct business and residential access, then freeway again with interchanges. BC highways changing designation every few KM are a nightmare for anyone with OCD tendencies.

The SFPR is now almost a complete freeway between where it separates from the 17A all the way to the Pattullo Bridge… except for one traffic light right in the middle! Classic BC.

sweetnhappy · #**337** Posted **Nov 15, 2024, 5:05 PM**

Yeah, that sounds about right. Though the fact the speed limits don't approach 100 km/h, like most freeways in Canada, is also indicative of it not being designed to freeway standards.

Alex Mackinnon · #**338** Posted **Nov 15, 2024, 9:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

The SFPR is what I would call a BC special.

Much like the inland island highway between Nanaimo and Campbell River, the 17 into Victoria, the 91 until only a few years ago, the #1 between Kamloops and Chase, etc…

It’s a road that’s stuck in a bizarre realm between a highway and a freeway. With stupid mixes of interchanges and traffic lights while largely being (or entirely) controlled access outside of said intersections (uses side roads and has no direct business access)

The 17 in Victoria is perhaps the poster child of this. It’s a freeway with interchanges, then freeway like with frontage roads but traffic lights instead of interchanges, then freeway again with interchanges, then a highway that even has direct business and residential access, then freeway again with interchanges. BC highways changing designation every few KM are a nightmare for anyone with OCD tendencies.

The SFPR is now almost a complete freeway between where it separates from the 17A all the way to the Pattullo Bridge… except for one traffic light right in the middle! Classic BC.

I think in most places you would call that an expressway,

mcj · #**339** Posted **Nov 15, 2024, 9:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Alex Mackinnon

I think in most places you would call that an expressway,

Don't tell these guys what the wikipedia page classifies the SFPR as...

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It is a four-lane highway with a mix of freeway and expressway sections.

chowhou · #**340** Posted **Nov 15, 2024, 10:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by sweetnhappy

Yeah, that sounds about right. Though the fact the speed limits don't approach 100 km/h, like most freeways in Canada, is also indicative of it not being designed to freeway standards.

FYI I might be wrong but I don't believe the speed limit on Hwy 1 approaches 100km/h anywhere north of the Fraser either. In fact the speed limit on the Ironworkers' is officially 70km/h.

Still a freeway.