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The goal of an Acadie province should be precisely to improve its economy. It is quite an indictment of New Brunswick if it is today a "basketcase"...

That was, by the way, the same rationale for the secession of the Canton of Jura. They felt the Bern cantonal authorities neglected these far-away Francophone districts, and they were economically underdeveloped. Since becoming a canton in 1978 their economy has improved and developed quite a lot.
Why don’t you come to New Brunswick and spend some time getting to know the people and understand the culture before you start making all kinds of weird assumptions about it. Your obsessive posts about it just seem off to me, like somebody proclaiming expertise in a field that they know nothing about.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 5, 2024, 2:38 PM
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I love OldDartmouthMark and MonctonRad but the heartfelt comments from AverageMonctonEnjoyr, who is very young and not Québécois or French, show that you and I are not completely off-base.
I love you too, man!

You are certainly not off base for your perspective, but IMHO that doesn’t mean that myself and Moncton should just be waved off for our perspectives either. I can’t speak for him, but I think we both want a Canada where anglos and francos can live with mutual respect and understanding. i.e. We are stronger together than apart. New bris seems to only focus on driving us apart, but maybe there’s a cultural difference between France and Canada that is causing me to misunderstand his intentions.

Regardless, I realize that I am out of my lane a little in participating in this thread as, aside from some long ago lineage, I am not of Acadian or Quebecois culture.
     
     
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I love you too, man!

You are certainly not off base for your perspective, but IMHO that doesn’t mean that myself and Moncton should just be waved off for our perspectives either. I can’t speak for him, but I think we both want a Canada where anglos and francos can live with mutual respect and understanding. i.e. We are stronger together than apart. New bris seems to only focus on driving us apart, but maybe there’s a cultural difference between France and Canada that is causing me to misunderstand his intentions.

Regardless, I realize that I am out of my lane a little in participating in this thread as, aside from some long ago lineage, I am not of Acadian or Quebecois culture.
I actually hope you and others stay, as really this specific discussion would be largely meaningless without anglophones. I mean we're having it in English basically for that reason. Otherwise we'd be having it in French and there would be more agreement (though not 100%) and less stuff that would need to be explained.
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I love OldDartmouthMark and MonctonRad but the heartfelt comments from AverageMonctonEnjoyr, who is very young and not Québécois or French, show that you and I are not completely off-base.
Anglos here ( mostly the older generation ) still have a problematic mentality that really should be outdated.
The Acadians were simply here first. My family established itself in Nouvelle-France in the 1660’s. The Acadians, not wanting to steal land from the natives who were their closest allies, settled in lands the natives didn’t use, the marshlands. The Acadians worked extremely hard to turn these lands into arable lands with ingenious methods such as aboiteaux ( a system optimized by them to dry out a marsh ). Acadians enjoyed roughly 100 years of peace and prosperity here with bountiful farms and very good relationship with natives ( safe to say that most Acadians have native ancestry because of the very high amount of intermarriage ). Then the British came, decided that Atlantic Canada would be better off which only white Anglo saxon protestants as inhabitants and proceeded to ethnically cleanse the lands of peaceful Acadians and natives ( the Acadians refused to pledge allegiance to Britain since they wanted to remain neutral ). Wikipedia refuses to label the crimes against the Acadian people by the english as genocide while out of the 15 000 Acadians present pre-1755, only 2000-ish remained after the rest were deported shot starved or drowned by the english. The english had the order to shoot and kill the elder of any Acadian family they couldn’t fully round up for deportation. Then British settlers came to build their houses over the ashes of Acadia ( my ancestor who survived the deportation, being hidden by the natives in the forest for 5 whole years saw 7 of the houses he built with his own hands being burnt and destroyed by the British ). Then later the loyalists came fleeing the newly formed USA. Yadda yadda yadda. The english came later than the Acadians, and came with a settler or colonizer mentality seeing themselves as the legitimate owner of these lands they had pried out of the hands of ‘savages’. Centuries later, the descendants of these Englishmen who haven’t been taught any Acadian history still have the same mentality and feel like Acadians are strangers in Atlantic Canada when we’ve been here more than a century before. I’m tired of always being asked where I’m from and being seen as a stranger here, when I was born & raised in New Brunswick, like the 10 previous generations of my family whom I can trace back all the way to france. ( seriously, whenever I talk to an anglophone stranger they ask me from where I’m from, it’s even worst with immigrants who don’t know we exist ).
What I’m trying to say is that they still feel after all these years that we don’t belong here and should get out of their land, and have some subconscious anger whenever they hear french. When my father and his little sisters walked to school at École Beauséjour, the anglophone kids from Queen-Elizabeth across the street would throw rocks at them and call them names simply because they were Acadian. My father told me that when he grew up, is simply better not speak french in public in Moncton to not attract problems.
The situation is now much better for us thankfully, but why do so many anglos have this subconscious resentment of us ? I do volunteering at the geriatric ward of the local hospital, and when talking to older anglophone patients and reveal to them that I’m francophone, they hit me a facial expression like I was the gestapo knocking at their door.
Maybe I’m not clear with what I’m trying to say since I’m emotional but, all we want is peace and respect. This hate has always been one-sided. I’ve never disliked anglophones and I never heard any Acadian badmouth anglos either. If they imagine we talk bad of them in french behind their backs, it never was the case. Our acts of self-preservation are seen as acts of aggression by them. To all my Anglo brothers & sisters, I love you and all I’m asking is understanding and respect. I have some British and Scottish heritage myself which I couldn’t be more proud of but my Acadian and french identity is the closest to my soul and I hate to see it attacked.
     
     
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In any event, I am now done with this thread - this time for good.

I wonder if the SSP mods should consider just shutting the thread down permanently. It is a toxic environment.
It's IMO the only interesting thread in the entire forum, in part thanks to New Brisavoine (but credit to other participants too).

In other words: I couldn't disagree more with you there.
     
     
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I don't see how it's a problem. Go on the SSP Current Events forum and you'll find dozens of Canadians (including some who slam New Brisavoine for his interference here) commenting all day on US politics and sometimes even telling Americans either subtly or not-so-subtly how to vote.
I love the internet. Sometimes you will read an arduous political debate between a democrat and a republican on a US election, but then you later realize the Republican all this time was an Armenian taxi driver based in Berlin.
     
     
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Also I hate having accidentally brought up the idea of an Acadian province here. I myself as an Acadian don’t want an Acadian province, and I don’t know any Acadians who want one either. We also don’t want to be separated from anglophones in our daily lives ( in sports for example ), we just want to have our own institutions ( like schools ) where french is preserved. There are plenty of separatist Quebecois but I’ve never met an Acadian one.
It's true though, that the creation of an Acadian province would be a strong factor to make Quebec stay in Canada. Right now the most powerful force behind the sovereigntist movement is "let's get out while we still exist", and it assumes that there's nothing else left in Canada outside our borders (or at the very least, soon won't be anyway) that's salvageable.
     
     
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I love the internet. Sometimes you will read an arduous political debate between a democrat and a republican on a US election, but then you later realize the Republican all this time was an Armenian taxi driver based in Berlin.
LOL!

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Wait a minute! I thought we didn't have an "us" vs. "them" thing going on with anglophones?
I do, when it comes to the national scale I see us as two different people, but on the international scale we’re all Canadians.
     
     
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That said, I 100% agree that the idea of an Acadian province has basically no traction among Acadians today.
Which is strange since they at the same time complain that they are becoming Anglicized. It's probably like women in the 19th century who didn't even ask for the right to vote, because they had totally internalized that they were excluded from political life and that it was the natural order of things.
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LOL!

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Which is strange since they at the same time complain that they are becoming Anglicized. It's probably like women in the 19th century who didn't even ask for the right to vote, because they had so internalized that they were excluded from political life and that it was the natural order of things.
One of the lessons of history is that even the biggest societal upheavals don't always involve the majority of the population. It just takes a small but determined group plus a largely passive or indifferent general population that will follow along.

How many people stormed the Bastille on July 14, 1789? Were they even 50,000?
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. When my father and his little sisters walked to school at École Beauséjour, the anglophone kids from Queen-Elizabeth across the street would throw rocks at them and call them names simply because they were Acadian. My father told me that when he grew up, is simply better not speak french in public in Moncton to not attract problems.
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When I was a kid we lived in Ontario for a time in the 1970s and I went to a fairly new French school which shared a common gym with an English school. The gym was in the middle and one corridor led to the French school and another led to the English school.

While I was there a bunch of kids (aged 12-13 so a lot older than me) from the English school beat the crap out of our school's principal one day, with bicycle chains and baseball bats.

Monsieur le Directeur showed up the next day with his arm in a sling and a black eye.
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In other words: I couldn't disagree more with you there.
He'll be back. He's always back. He secretly greatly enjoys this thread in fact. You know, like those US puritans of old who secretly were very curious about the nude-women cabarets in Paris...
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but then you later realize the Republican all this time was an Armenian taxi driver based in Berlin.
My neighbor in Paris is a single-mom Armenian woman. She spends 1/3 of the time speaking French (without a foreign accent), 1/3 speaking British English (with very good British accent), and 1/3 speaking Armenian.

Mom and son shout and fight all the time (20 something son still leaving with his mom).
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I do, when it comes to the national scale I see us as two different people, but on the international scale we’re all Canadians.
On the international scale, Israeli and Palestinians are Middle-Easterners...
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While I was there a bunch of kids (aged 12-13 so a lot older than me) from the English school beat the crap out of our school's principal one day, with bicycle chains and baseball bats.
Why did they do that?
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On the international scale, Israeli and Palestinians are Middle-Easterners...
Even better than than that, they are all Semites so basically the same people according to many ethnological definitions.
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Even better than than that, they are all Semites so basically the same people according to many ethnological definitions.
Even on a smaller-than-international scale, Catholic Irish and Northern Irish are the same people. Like, at the sub-international scale of "The British Isles", you have the Anglo-Saxons, the Welsh, the Scots, and the Irish (regardless of religion).

Yet they cannot even accept to share a country (and were often at each other's throats).
     
     
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Even better than than that, they are all Semites so basically the same people according to many ethnological definitions.
Actually their languages are closer in some respects than French and English. Words in both languages have the same origin (especially since the guy who revived Hebrew around 1900 coined lots of neologisms based on Arabic roots, which he found more authentic than simply importing European words).
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