O-Train Line 2/4 [Stage 2 | Greenboro to Limebank/Airport] | In Service

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Leitrim is still a several km detour and traffic on Leitrim Road is bad. Greenboro has not been full since the pandemic.

Out of curiosity, I did a Google Maps check. They are both a 10 min drive from that corner, but Leitrim is 4km farther away. (But I guess faster with less lights and 80km/hr limit the entire distance) it's workable, but definitely not my first choice

[kmcamp]

Today's test scenarios included s*t on a train requiring it to be pulled out of service (aka a soiled train) and a track fault requiring an inspection

[dougvdh]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

Today's test scenarios included s*t on a train requiring it to be pulled out of service (aka a soiled train) and a track fault requiring an inspection

I have to admit, I wonder to what level of realism they set up these scenarios?

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by dougvdh

I have to admit, I wonder to what level of realism they set up these scenarios?

I hope they put a recovering drama major in charge of scenarios.

[kmcamp]

Today was an interesting scenario, I wonder how they operated the trains for this scenario

"A train became immobilized at the southbound platform of South Keys Station requiring service on one track only."

[dougvdh]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

I hope they put a recovering drama major in charge of scenarios.

A group of preschool children enjoy a day outting walk towards the William Command Bridge. Unbeknowst to them, a runaway train, stuck at full throttle blasts northward out of the Dow's Lake tunnel, roaring past Carling Station at over 100km/h, less than 60 sec from the end of the track . . .

[ponyboycurtis]

Perhaps we could simulate Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale tying someone to the tracks.

[OTownandDown]

Does anyone know how to sign up as a test dummy? (I left out crash)

Interested in reenacting a zombie apocalypse whereby the zombies are kids leaving Lebreton Flats after Blues Fest to pack trains from Pimisi transferring to Bayview headed South. Want to avoid these BRAND NEW stations having to CLOSE because of people wanting to use them more than just the daily smattering.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

Does anyone know how to sign up as a test dummy? (I left out crash)

Interested in reenacting a zombie apocalypse whereby the zombies are kids leaving Lebreton Flats after Blues Fest to pack trains from Pimisi transferring to Bayview headed South. Want to avoid these BRAND NEW stations having to CLOSE because of people wanting to use them more than just the daily smattering.

They'll have to run some express busses. Maybe from LeBreton right to South Keys or something like that.

[harls]

Originally Posted by dougvdh

I have to admit, I wonder to what level of realism they set up these scenarios?

I once saw a guy pee into a gatorade bottle on the TTC and leave it as a present. At least he put a cap on it.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

Does anyone know how to sign up as a test dummy? (I left out crash)

Interested in reenacting a zombie apocalypse whereby the zombies are kids leaving Lebreton Flats after Blues Fest to pack trains from Pimisi transferring to Bayview headed South. Want to avoid these BRAND NEW stations having to CLOSE because of people wanting to use them more than just the daily smattering.

My guess is they will tell everyone going westbound and southbound to go to Bayview, while eastbound will go to Pimisi. They may even close the eastbound Bayview platform to prevent people "jumping the queue" and have westbound trains not open their doors at Pimisi.

[OTownandDown]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

My guess is they will tell everyone going westbound and southbound to go to Bayview, while eastbound will go to Pimisi. They may even close the eastbound Bayview platform to prevent people "jumping the queue" and have westbound trains not open their doors at Pimisi.

Is this like a normal thing that other cities do? Like what happens after Osheaga?

Or like, in Toronto when 400,000 pax get off work at 5:00pm?

Having to manually set up fences and invasively shut down systems to direct pedestrians during every large event seems absolutely insane, unsustainable, expensive, and wasteful. Am I the only one who sees this? Why isn't the system simple enough to, say, turn off the down escalators when platforms fill up?

I was in Chicago for Pride, and I've never seen so many people before in my entire life. Every station was surrounded by a shoulder-to-shoulder crowd for about 4 city blocks along about 10 stations on the (brown? red? can't remember) line. No fences, no traffic control, just everyone waited in a chaotic crowd for their chance to climb the slippery cast iron stairs up to the old-🞵🞵🞵 platform and wait for a train to shove onto.

I was also just in Boston. After a Red Sox game, we just walked to a station and waited. AND the best part, the station attendants on the green line were there, but only to let people walk ACROSS THE TRACKS during the crush. The attendants were simply there to stop pedestrians for the few moments the trains passed by. Refreshing to see that you could enter a station from wherever and just skip across the active train tracks. Fare gates are set on 'open' and attendants actively told people to not pay. Their hybrid old-fashioned low floor tram is crazy, by the way. You thought the Otrain was loud... lol

Edit: I'd like a public inquiry into a few things:
1. How much was spent on fencing for Canada Day? How many individual peices of fence were there, and how far did they come from? Its probably draining fence capacity from Ottawa, Montreal and Toronto to get all that fencing up.
2. How much does the NCC spend on parking attendants and no parking signs and ropes in Gatineau Park over the fall? This is another thing that's crazy to me.
3. How much is spent on crowd control outside consulting, professional fees, and reports in a year in Ottawa? How much of that is spent on consulting for individual days like Canada Day by the NCC/Federal Government? How much increased cost from 2005 to today?
4. How many disasters have there been in Ottawa due to poor crowd control in the past? And what does the Consulting report say, to justify the millions in useless crowd control mobilization?

[dougvdh]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

Is this like a normal thing that other cities do? Like what happens after Osheaga?

Or like, in Toronto when 400,000 pax get off work at 5:00pm?

Having to manually set up fences and invasively shut down systems to direct pedestrians during every large event seems absolutely insane, unsustainable, expensive, and wasteful. Am I the only one who sees this? Why isn't the system simple enough to, say, turn off the down escalators when platforms fill up?

I was in Chicago for Pride, and I've never seen so many people before in my entire life. Every station was surrounded by a shoulder-to-shoulder crowd for about 4 city blocks along about 10 stations on the (brown? red? can't remember) line. No fences, no traffic control, just everyone waited in a chaotic crowd for their chance to climb the slippery cast iron stairs up to the old-🞵🞵🞵 platform and wait for a train to shove onto.

I was also just in Boston. After a Red Sox game, we just walked to a station and waited. AND the best part, the station attendants on the green line were there, but only to let people walk ACROSS THE TRACKS during the crush. The attendants were simply there to stop pedestrians for the few moments the trains passed by. Refreshing to see that you could enter a station from wherever and just skip across the active train tracks. Fare gates are set on 'open' and attendants actively told people to not pay. Their hybrid old-fashioned low floor tram is crazy, by the way. You thought the Otrain was loud... lol

Edit: I'd like a public inquiry into a few things:
1. How much was spent on fencing for Canada Day? How many individual peices of fence were there, and how far did they come from? Its probably draining fence capacity from Ottawa, Montreal and Toronto to get all that fencing up.
2. How much does the NCC spend on parking attendants and no parking signs and ropes in Gatineau Park over the fall? This is another thing that's crazy to me.
3. How much is spent on crowd control outside consulting, professional fees, and reports in a year in Ottawa? How much of that is spent on consulting for individual days like Canada Day by the NCC/Federal Government? How much increased cost from 2005 to today?
4. How many disasters have there been in Ottawa due to poor crowd control in the past? And what does the Consulting report say, to justify the millions in useless crowd control mobilization?

I was in Amsterdam recently. I couldn't help but notice how the trams basically run right through the pedestrian packed streets in many locations (same storey in Potzdamer Platz in Berlin). That would never happen in Ottawa - it would send a 1000 lawyers into billing spasms.

[kmcamp]

Originally Posted by OTownandDown

Is this like a normal thing that other cities do? Like what happens after Osheaga?

Or like, in Toronto when 400,000 pax get off work at 5:00pm?

Having to manually set up fences and invasively shut down systems to direct pedestrians during every large event seems absolutely insane, unsustainable, expensive, and wasteful. Am I the only one who sees this? Why isn't the system simple enough to, say, turn off the down escalators when platforms fill up?

I was in Chicago for Pride, and I've never seen so many people before in my entire life. Every station was surrounded by a shoulder-to-shoulder crowd for about 4 city blocks along about 10 stations on the (brown? red? can't remember) line. No fences, no traffic control, just everyone waited in a chaotic crowd for their chance to climb the slippery cast iron stairs up to the old-🞵🞵🞵 platform and wait for a train to shove onto.

I was also just in Boston. After a Red Sox game, we just walked to a station and waited. AND the best part, the station attendants on the green line were there, but only to let people walk ACROSS THE TRACKS during the crush. The attendants were simply there to stop pedestrians for the few moments the trains passed by. Refreshing to see that you could enter a station from wherever and just skip across the active train tracks. Fare gates are set on 'open' and attendants actively told people to not pay. Their hybrid old-fashioned low floor tram is crazy, by the way. You thought the Otrain was loud... lol

Edit: I'd like a public inquiry into a few things:
1. How much was spent on fencing for Canada Day? How many individual peices of fence were there, and how far did they come from? Its probably draining fence capacity from Ottawa, Montreal and Toronto to get all that fencing up.
2. How much does the NCC spend on parking attendants and no parking signs and ropes in Gatineau Park over the fall? This is another thing that's crazy to me.
3. How much is spent on crowd control outside consulting, professional fees, and reports in a year in Ottawa? How much of that is spent on consulting for individual days like Canada Day by the NCC/Federal Government? How much increased cost from 2005 to today?
4. How many disasters have there been in Ottawa due to poor crowd control in the past? And what does the Consulting report say, to justify the millions in useless crowd control mobilization?

To be fair, it was the NCC, not OC Transpo that decided that Pimisi couldn't be used on Canada Day. They claimed it was the people on the Booth that was the problem, not the actual platform and trains.

[LRTeverywhere]

Originally Posted by kmcamp

To be fair, it was the NCC, not OC Transpo that decided that Pimisi couldn't be used on Canada Day.

Canadian Heritage runs the Canada Day events and made the decision to not use Pimisi, not NCC. Though they claim it was made in partnership wtih the city emergency teams and police / OC Transpo

[rdaner]

Just a quick note about Toronto events and crowds. Despite having two large arenas amidst an already dense core the crowds dissipate quickly. The main reason is that there is a fine grid of streets around both sites thus dozens of exit points. And though there is a crush of people at Union after each event this only lasts about 20 minutes. Finally the owners of the venues stagger events so both venues don’t empty at the same time; a spread of only 30 minutes is required.

[AuxTown]

It's interesting the number of conversations I have had with people recently who live along the LRT (Confed and Trillium) who are excited to take the train to the airport. One of my friends lives near Moonies and can easily walk to the station. She recently paid $50 for an Uber from the airport to her home. Much like how we underestimated how popular the AF flight would be, I bet we are underestimating how many people will use the train to go to the airport (for both business and leisure). If it's walkable and frequent, people will use it.

As far as capacity, I can't imagine an event where more than a couple thousand people would be taking the Trillium line from downtown. Even if we used Carleton/EY for parking during a large downtown event like Canada Day, there just wouldn't be that many people. Folks will walk to the stations and wait their turn. Just like I did in Paris....and Qatar....and in Toronto for sporting events. An event like a playoff hockey game could be completely mopped up in less than an hour assuming everybody at the game takes the LRT (they won't) and it is evenly distributed between E-W-S directions (not a bad assumption).

[LRTeverywhere]

Originally Posted by AuxTown

Much like how we underestimated how popular the AF flight would be, I bet we are underestimating how many people will use the train to go to the airport (for both business and leisure). If it's walkable and frequent, people will use it.

Agreed, I live near Corsa Italia station, I am very much looking forward to taking the train to and from the airport instead of a taxi. Even with the train transfer.

[kmcamp]

Test reports. With luck we won't see bus bridges that often, the old line 2 hardly ever was down.

https://www.octranspo.com/en/trial-running#tr-stage-2-report

[lrt's friend]

Others have already commented that overall service to the airport will be significantly slower with Line 2 and 4 compared to bus route 97. I remain skeptical on how popular the new service will be. This is not the UPX which arrives in downtown Toronto in just 25 minutes with trains designed specifically for travellers with luggage.