New Brunswick Election

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by lirette

We must never take for granted how important it is to live in a place where the loser of an election congratulates the winner and respectfully steps down from power.

You can say that again.

[lirette]

Originally Posted by MonctonianSentinel01

Oh okay, so pretty much nothing then. I don't think that the left understands that the more left the Liberals go, the more right the Conservatives will push. Society will seek to even itself out. No Liberal can fairly complain about far right when Liberals have gone so far left. This is why we see such a far right push in all western societies right now. It's better to stay more center than anything and remain neutral. I fear though this has been ruined for all time and now each side will continue to push more extreme views until one side wins it all. Socialism never lasts and won't because it can't be maintained and isn't feasible. This was however more or less a changing of the guard, it wasn't about the party, but about Higgs likeability. We'll have to see how long Susan sticks around for.

Socialism ? What part of Holts campaign was socialism? The only thing close to socialism in NB is the NDP and they are barely a functioning provincial party.

You understand that many of the voters (including in his own riding) who voted Higgs out were traditional conservative voters right? The reason that happened is because they ran a campaign in the center.

Are you capable of a single criticism of your party?

The party leader brought in an outsider, paid him with taxpayer dollars and got absolutely blown out.

I don't have a personal attachment to political parties. I'm centre left but I've voted conservative, greens and liberals at different times.

[MonctonianSentinel01]

Originally Posted by drewber

At least 4 years

Yup and maybe 8 if she doesn't screw it up.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by Taeolas

all of the Quispamsis polls are in, and Higgs lost by about 200 votes.

That's unbelievably satisfying.

I still kind of hope Faytene wins just for the entertainment value alone, but also because it will hurt the long term prospects for the PCs.

Also, good on you figuring out the right strategic vote in Fredericton North! It clearly it worked out!

[sailor734]

OK. So now we can start the “who makes cabinet” game. ������ Does anyone NOT think John Dornan is the next Health Minister? Who else in SJ might make the cut? I sure hope David Hickey isn’t one of them.

[sailor734]

It’s interesting that the turnout was actually down slightly. Usually if voters are wanting a change you’d expect a strong turnout. I wonder if a certain amount of the PC voters who were unhappy with the direction of the party just stayed home?

[MonctonianSentinel01]

Originally Posted by lirette

Socialism ? What part of Holts campaign was socialism? The only thing close to socialism in NB is the NDP and they are barely a functioning provincial party.

Canada spends hundreds of billions of dollars each year on social programs. That's something that has spiraled out of control as the bureaucracy has grown and isn't going to be sustainable. Healthcare is one of those, we should have a slight paying system as discussed on this forum before. That is what the comment on socialism was. Last time I checked the Liberals were best about bringing those programs and bureaucracy about. Last time I checked New Brunswick was part of Canada. Last time I checked Holt was part of the Liberal party.

Originally Posted by lirette

You understand that many of the voters (including in his own riding) who voted Higgs out were traditional conservative voters right? The reason that happened is because they ran a campaign in the center.

That's not what you and the others were saying, now your going back on your word. You said that the party had gone too far to the right, stop going back on what you said. This isn't the first time that you change what you say. I've seen you do this before, if you can't keep yourself straight then I suggest you just stop typing.

Originally Posted by lirette

Are you capable of a single criticism of your party?

The party leader brought in an outsider, paid him with taxpayer dollars and got absolutely blown out.

I don't have a personal attachment to political parties. I'm centre left but I've voted conservative, greens and liberals at different times.

Yes, I couldn't stand Stephen Harper, or Blain Higgs that much, but for me it was the lesser of the evils and I could care less how you vote.

[Taeolas]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

That's unbelievably satisfying.

I still kind of hope Faytene wins just for the entertainment value alone, but also because it will hurt the long term prospects for the PCs.

Also, good on you figuring out the right strategic vote in Fredericton North! It clearly it worked out!

Hampton hasn't been called yet. Only 200ish votes with 4 polls to go.

As for Freddy North, yeah I did make the 'right' call in the end; but I think I liked the sound of Holt's platform in general appealed to me. I'm still a bit surprised Freddy North went Red. I suspect part of it came from spillover from Holt's campaign.

At the same time, I think Luke had a stronger ground game. I mentioned that his team had actually gone around the Freddy North Neighbourhoods, visiting people. I also saw signs basically saying "Luke is in the area. Feel free to stop and talk to him." So he was out and about.

The only sign I saw from the other parties, were some mailers I eventually pulled from my mailbox. No door hangers, no other visits, nothing. So I suspect in the end that was what probably tilted things in his favour.

As for my personal politics, I'm central left, so I'll generally lean Liberal, with Green usually being my protest vote. I won't completely rule out a Conservative vote, but they have to work to get me and have the stars align. This time, the stars definitly were not aligning for them.

*Edit* Never mind. Hampton's site updated with the last polls coming in and it's red. Sorry, no Faytene spoiler. *End Edit*

[MonctonRad]

Higgs losing is a relief. Faytene losing is the icing on the cake. We do not need speaking in tongues or rolling on the floors in the provincial legislature.

Perhaps the PC party will now have a chance to return to the moderate centre-right where it's traditional roots are. This is where they need to be in order to gain power.

The fly in the ointment will be Kris Austin, who won, and could very well attempt to run for the party leadership. I don't think he would be a good fit if the party wants to be successful into the future.

I wish Susan Holt well. I hope she is able to contain the typical tax and spend proclivity of the Liberal party, but, I think this is a vain hope at most. I expect a healthy deficit in her first year of government in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

[Bishop2047]

Originally Posted by sailor734

It’s interesting that the turnout was actually down slightly. Usually if voters are wanting a change you’d expect a strong turnout. I wonder if a certain amount of the PC voters who were unhappy with the direction of the party just stayed home?

This is typically with a party that has been in power for a while. Tough to get the base out to support the same old same old. Very easy to rile up people with promises of change.

Funny how both Higgs and Trudeau doomed their parties by their unwillingness to step down and accept that they were holding their party back. Hope for a more central leader of the PCs going forward.

[drewber]

Originally Posted by Bishop2047

This is typically with a party that has been in power for a while. Tough to get the base out to support the same old same old. Very easy to rile up people with promises of change.

Funny how both Higgs and Trudeau doomed their parties by their unwillingness to step down and accept that they were holding their party back. Hope for a more central leader of the PCs going forward.

Trudeau still has time to step down and let the taint on the federal liberals waft away a little. I personally hope he does so it's not a blow out in October 2025

[MonctonianSentinel01]

Originally Posted by drewber

Trudeau still has time to step down and let the taint on the federal liberals waft away a little. I personally hope he does so it's not a blow out in October 2025

I doubt that everything that has happened in the last 9 years has been just JT and not the Liberal party, can't see why anyone would want to vote for that party again.

[lirette]

Originally Posted by MonctonianSentinel01

Canada spends hundreds of billions of dollars each year on social programs. That's something that has spiraled out of control as the bureaucracy has grown and isn't going to be sustainable. Healthcare is one of those, we should have a slight paying system as discussed on this forum before. That is what the comment on socialism was. Last time I checked the Liberals were best about bringing those programs and bureaucracy about. Last time I checked New Brunswick was part of Canada. Last time I checked Holt was part of the Liberal party.



That's not what you and the others were saying, now your going back on your word. You said that the party had gone too far to the right, stop going back on what you said. This isn't the first time that you change what you say. I've seen you do this before, if you can't keep yourself straight then I suggest you just stop typing.



Yes, I couldn't stand Stephen Harper, or Blain Higgs that much, but for me it was the lesser of the evils and I could care less how you vote.

What am I going back on my word about?. You are just misunderstanding me. Blaine Higgs campaign is running too far to the right, which is what I have said numerous times on here. Because of that the Liberals have picked up traditional blue seats by having moderate conservatives vote liberal. Moderate conservatives aren't voting for "socialism". We cant have productive conversations if we call everything centre left to social democracy "socialism".

There is countries who spend billions of dollars on strong safety nets, but still thrive under capitalism. Our friends in Denmark, Norway, Finland come to mind. These countries have strong economies and high quality of life. Anyway, I don't think you are looking for a respectful conversation so I'll leave it there.

[StatelyElms]

Originally Posted by lirette

We must never take for granted how important it is to live in a place where the loser of an election congratulates the winner and respectfully steps down from power.

Amen to that!

Originally Posted by Taeolas

At the same time, I think Luke had a stronger ground game. I mentioned that his team had actually gone around the Freddy North neighbourhoods, visiting people. I also saw signs basically saying "Luke is in the area. Feel free to stop and talk to him." So he was out and about.

The only sign I saw from the other parties, were some mailers I eventually pulled from my mailbox. No door hangers, no other visits, nothing. So I suspect in the end that was what probably tilted things in his favour.

Also in Freddy North, I have to agree. He was much stronger than any of the other candidates who at best felt a bit vague with their community connections and ambitions. While a lot of his votes were undoubtedly for the campaign and platform or even just for belonging to the party the most likely to oust Higgs, I think a decent chunk were because people felt he was a solid voice for the riding, even over their preferred party.

I do kind of wonder if the glasses won him or lost him more votes. I like them, myself.

[Taeolas]

Holt just had a big talk with CBC. Two things she said she'd be doing as soon as she got in, was she was going to cut the Carbon Gas Tax (4c/l) and remove the tax from power bills. It'll be interesting to see how bad that affects the budget in the end; but at the very least it will be a nice perk going into the Christmas season.

She's also planning to get 10 health centres set up next year, and may even be able to pull off 11 or 12. It'll be interesting to see how that changes the healthcare situation here.

[lirette]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Higgs losing is a relief. Faytene losing is the icing on the cake. We do not need speaking in tongues or rolling on the floors in the provincial legislature.

Perhaps the PC party will now have a chance to return to the moderate centre-right where it's traditional roots are. This is where they need to be in order to gain power.

The fly in the ointment will be Kris Austin, who won, and could very well attempt to run for the party leadership. I don't think he would be a good fit if the party wants to be successful into the future.

I wish Susan Holt well. I hope she is able to contain the typical tax and spend proclivity of the Liberal party, but, I think this is a vain hope at most. I expect a healthy deficit in her first year of government in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

For what it's worth, she reiterated quite firmly in her victory that she is going to be governing to balance the budget. It's at least notable that she is highlighting this after the votes were cast and not just before. She'll have to earn your trust on that obviously, but I thought the speech was positive, passionate and for all new brunswickers.

[CharlotteCountyLogan]

Not the results I was expecting. Liberals flipping Rothesay, Quispamsis, and Hanwell was downright shocking. I'm curious who the education minister will be. Guess we wait and see

[lirette]

Originally Posted by drewber

Trudeau still has time to step down and let the taint on the federal liberals waft away a little. I personally hope he does so it's not a blow out in October 2025

I would say the walls are closing in on that one with some of the recent reporting.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by sailor734

OK. So now we can start the “who makes cabinet” game. ������ Does anyone NOT think John Dornan is the next Health Minister? Who else in SJ might make the cut? I sure hope David Hickey isn’t one of them.

I wouldn't count out Claire Johnson. for Minister of Health.

She has a PHD in Population Health from the University of Ottawa, and is described as an "activist and spokesperson of healthcare and social issues".

Dornan is definitely the leading candidate at the moment, though.

I think Alston would have almost certainly been tapped for cabinet, it's a shame he lost.

I don't think Hickey will be getting a cabinet position quite yet, but if he does, it would probably be one of the less high profile files, or a new cabinet position like the Minister of Youth or something.

I could see Kate Wilcott possibly getting the "Tourism, Heritage and Culture" file, as it's a more creative position and she has a lot of experience in the arts. Kate is currently the Arts and Culture Coordinator for the City of Saint John, so she would probably be a good fit.


Edit: I also see now that Alston lost by 34 f***ing votes in Saint John East! While 766 people voted for the Greens and NDP. "Good job", Gerald Irish.

[lirette]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

I wouldn't count out Claire Johnson. for Minister of Health.

She has a PHD in Population Health from the University of Ottawa, and is described as an "activist and spokesperson of healthcare and social issues".

Dornan is definitely the leading candidate at the moment, though.

I think Alston would have almost certainly been tapped for cabinet, it's a shame he lost.

I don't think Hickey will be getting a cabinet position quite yet, but if he does, it would probably be one of the less high profile files, or a new cabinet position like the Minister of Youth or something.

I could see Kate Wilcott possibly getting the "Tourism, Heritage and Culture" file, as it's a more creative position and she has a lot of experience in the arts. Kate is currently the Arts and Culture Coordinator for the City of Saint John, so she would probably be a good fit.

Minister of local government for Hickey?