BC Political Discussion: Election 2024 & 43rd Parliament

[whatnext]

Funny how the seat count so closely mimics 2017.

[chowhou]

Also of note: Christine Boyle handily won her seat, which means there's going to be a by-election in Vancouver and a new face on city council.

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by chowhou

My current takeaway from watching the results and the closest districts:

Surrey districts are a lot closer than everyone expected and they're going to get a lot more stuff.

The North Shore districts are a lot less closer than everyone expected and they're going to get a lot less stuff.

There's a real chance that the originally BC Conservative promised Newton Skytrain comes before a North Shore Skytrain now.

I think the main thing Surrey will get is less rental restrictions and removal of all SOGI123 material from classrooms. I also heard discussions about opening up ALR's for residential and commercial development SOF which would be huge.

One downside is the George Massey Tunnel in it's current form is here to stay while they once again plan for the Bridge.

[Bcasey25raptor]

If seats hold, it's another GreeNDP government. BC will swing left after tonight, not the result I wanted

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

If seats hold, it's another GreeNDP government. BC will swing left after tonight, not the result I wanted

If it's a GreeNDP government it's not necessarily a swing left; it's a swing Green. Don't assume the Greens are strictly further left than the NDP. Green politics and conservation come from an inherently conservative place; Things should stay the same as they are/should go back to what they were before.

Greens are against "high pace" housing development and greens are against transit development. Pretty much my nightmare.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

If the NDP form a coaltion...they will have to back off with rental restrictions, avoid all discussions when it comes to identity politics and take a hard stance on open drug usage.

Assuming the current seat count, the two Green members would have a strong voice in deciding policy. The Green platform doesn't support dropping rental restrictions. They would be even tougher on landlords, for example they want vacancy control: limiting the amount that landlords can increase rent between tenancies.

Their policies on dealing with the health crisis includes broadening safer supply programs: expanding access to prescribed safer supply programs and Opioid Agonist Treatment (OAT), offering regulated substances like diacetylmorphine (DAM), fentanyl, benzodiazepines, and stimulants.

[Bcasey25raptor]

NDP has a lot of soul searching to do over wtf happened to the south asian vote

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

If seats hold, it's another GreeNDP government. BC will swing left after tonight, not the result I wanted

Originally Posted by chowhou

If it's a GreeNDP government it's not necessarily a swing left; it's a swing Green. Don't assume the Greens are strictly further left than the NDP. Green politics and conservation come from an inherently conservative place; Things should stay the same as they are/should go back to what they were before.

Greens are against "high pace" housing development and greens are against transit development. Pretty much my nightmare.

Green supporters tend to be NIMBYs. That aligns with the BC Cons thinking.

[casper]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Greens are against "high pace" housing development and greens are against transit development. Pretty much my nightmare.

There policy book is pro-social housing development.

They are pro-public transit.

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

NDP has a lot of soul searching to do over wtf happened to the south asian vote

1) They want the SOGI123 stuff out of the classroom. Newer Indians from Punjabs are very ultra conservative.
2) Like Asians, they absolutely hate the homeless issue and open drug usage in their community.
3) Most importantly, property rights are sacred in their sect. A government telling you what you can or cannot do on your land is a big no-no.They want the ability to operate without any rental restrictions.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by casper

There policy book is pro-social housing development.

They are pro-public transit.

Greens are pro-keep-transit-the-way-it-is. No expansion, no TOD, keep things the way they are, NIMBY conservativism. To be honest it's actually worse, they want to kneecap public transit by removing transit fares as part of their funding.

And as we all know, the ultra pro-social housing development faction tends to align itself with the NIMBY conservative faction. Jean Swanson had the same voting record as Colleen Hardwick.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by chowhou

If it's a GreeNDP government it's not necessarily a swing left; it's a swing Green. Don't assume the Greens are strictly further left than the NDP. Green politics and conservation come from an inherently conservative place; Things should stay the same as they are/should go back to what they were before.

Greens are against "high pace" housing development and greens are against transit development. Pretty much my nightmare.

I think you're thinking of the Greens from 20 years ago.

[Migrant_Coconut]

The Greens straddle the line between ultra-progressive and reactionary, but generally agree with the Dippers more than the ex-Libs (and definitely not with the Cons).

On another note, I also recall a South Asian Con candidate dropping out, accusing the party of tokenism and racism and backing her NDP counterpart. Wonder if the nativist white hosers and traditionalist immigrants can actually get along over the next four years… or if we’ll see yet another split.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Greens are pro-keep-transit-the-way-it-is. No expansion, no TOD, keep things the way they are, NIMBY conservativism. To be honest it's actually worse, they want to kneecap public transit by removing transit fares as part of their funding.

And as we all know, the ultra pro-social housing development faction tends to align itself with the NIMBY conservative faction. Jean Swanson had the same voting record as Colleen Hardwick.

The Green platform supported expanding transit, by increasing the number of buses and introducing more service on the sea-to-sky corridor, and on Vancouver Island. And while they initially suggested free public transit, the platform changed that to free for under 18s, which wouldn't be a big hit to TransLink or BC Transit.

They aren't 'ultra pro-social housing', but they support it rather than opposing it. They support limiting rent increases between tenancies, and they want the federal government to stop REITs being able to buy up existing rental buildings.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

I think you're thinking of the Greens from 20 years ago.

https://www.bcgreens.ca/housing_support

https://www.bcgreens.ca/public_transit_transportation

Unless you have some extra BC Green promises to provide, they clearly are opposed to private housing supply, they don't plan on supporting high density, they have no plans for urban transit expansion when even the BC Conservatives were promising Skytrain expansion, and are promising to handicap transit with further transit fare removal.

The Greens can have their hearts in the right place, but when your policies have the exact same results as NIMBYs want, you need to reflect on what you're doing. Or don't, if that's what you want all along.

[Tvisforme]

What was Eby referring to in his speech when he thanked all but one candidate for running?

"To every candidate that put their name forward for election. Almost every candidate. I'm going to leave one off my thank you list."

He appeared to be thanking candidates from all parties, was there one person in particular he was avoiding?

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

What was Eby referring to in his speech when he seemed to say he didn't support one candidate?

General vibe I've heard is it's a reference to Brent Chapman.

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by chowhou

General vibe I've heard is it's a reference to Brent Chapman.

Thanks, yes, that would make sense...

[Snow_Wolf]

With some of the flooding that came from the Atmospheric river, I think they should have extended voting times for affected districts.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Heres my prediction for Mail In ballots

Mail ins lean NDP, so either it stays 46-45-2 and we have a GreeNDP government, or the NDP flips a seat or 2 and we have the weakest majority possible.

I don't think the cons are flipping anything.

Eby won tonight but at what cost?