General Vancouver Development Updates II

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

Be real. If Vancouver was full of swing ridings it would have gotten Skytrain to UBC in the 2000s, not in the 2030s. You really think the Jericho Lands is the sole reason for delaying it? If there's a political will there is a political way, not to mention they could build the Skytrain to UBC without interfering with Jericho if they just built it along 9th. That's just a bunch of nonsense.

We'd have a worse situation than Dogwood / Langara Gardens. Today's decision will allow for a station inside the Jericho lands.

[mcj]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

We'd have a worse situation than Dogwood / Langara Gardens. Today's decision will allow for a station inside the Jericho lands.

What's being decided today for Jericho Lands?

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

We'd have a worse situation than Dogwood / Langara Gardens. Today's decision will allow for a station inside the Jericho lands.

In no world is delaying Skytrain for 3 decades a better situation

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by mcj

What's being decided today for Jericho Lands?

Phase 2 (the current high-rise design) is contingent on getting SkyTrain. Otherwise they're going with a less-dense option (according to the Policy Statement).

I understand that Phase 1 has not submitted a rezoning app yet.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

In no world is delaying Skytrain for 3 decades a better situation

Ah politics is never clean. It is what it is.

[mcj]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Phase 2 (the current high-rise design) is contingent on getting SkyTrain. Otherwise they're going with a less-dense option (according to the Policy Statement).

I understand that Phase 1 has not submitted a rezoning app yet.

My misunderstanding, thought you meant a decision of some sort was occurring today.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

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Nothing wrong with it - the world needs both. But when some poster boasts that their bedroom community of choice is set to become the heart of the city, the rest of the forum gets to call that ridiculous.

But why take the bait, though?

You know they're being ridiculous; most people here know they're being ridiculous.

At best it's wishful thinking of the worst kind.
Vancouver has a massive headstart on all other cities and region in being the cultural and economic center of the region that it would take more than double any of our lifetimes for anywhere else in the region to make a dent.

Pointing out that obvious fact is like pointing out water is wet.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

In no world is delaying Skytrain for 3 decades a better situation

That's literally the point I was making in explaining why they decided to do this extension just to Arbutus for this first phase and the finish the rest of the route to UBC once Jericho Lands had more traction and there was a better idea how that development would play out.

Waiting for the Jericho Lands situation to getting sorted out before building the entire system to UBC would have delayed the opening of the entire line by easily another decade.
This way, the line up to Arbutus gets to open and be used even before the Jericho Lands development gets sorted out.

I don't understand why you didn't get that.
You tried to play it off as "politics" or "political will", when I was just explainig it from the logistics and practicality standpoint.

They still have to do these projects in a real world where funding is neither limitless nor always easily accessible, and also where the project not only has to be viable but ideally sustainable in the long run.

The decision to run the line through Jericho Lands rather than south of it (Which would likely have enabled to them to just push through to UBC without stopping at Arbutus) was predicated on the hope of having the route pass through a potentially larger catchment area for more riders.
More riders on the system means a better chance for economic viability and long-term sustainability.

These are all practical concerns not having to do with politics, nor about who's in power or what riding the line is passing through and what their voters think about it.

But sure, this is "nonsense" or more "nonsensical" than the assumption they decided to stop at Arbutus because there was no political gain in continuing farther West, due to the ridings in between that it would have to pass through - even when either of the leading parties would be faced by the same reality, and when both parties have pretty much committed to continuing not just investment into this extension and its completeion, but also investment into more transit expansion elsewhere in the metro region.

[whatnext]

Now that the federal Liberals have finally committed to opening up crown-owned lands for affordable housing imagine how quickly a subway would have been planned to the Jericho Lands if it had been used to build government-owned affordable rental housing solely owned by all Canadians.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Now that the federal Liberals have finally committed to opening up crown-owned lands for affordable housing imagine how quickly a subway would have been planned to the Jericho Lands if it had been used to build government-owned affordable rental housing solely owned by all Canadians.

Would have required (to my knowledge) quite the shift in how Canada Lands operates, unfortunately. Not to mention the goal of the MST partnership. I cannot recall when /how that was decided.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

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Given the poster's previous history, I'm going to assume a bad take rather than outright trolling. It's easy in this city to get sucked up by developer hype (and then be disappointed by another 5-10 years of stagnation or slow growth until the neighbourhood's actually functional).

[officedweller]

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[madog222]

Redevelopment of the Vancouver Aboriginal Friendship Centre Society site at 1607 E Hastings. At the current rate of proposals popping up this area is going to look very different in the next 5 years.

A Letter of Enquiry Response was received from Planning on April 19 2024. The proposed development would see a demolition of the existing building and a podium with two towers of 24 and 30 storeys

https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public/Default.aspx?PossePresentation=Guest&PosseObjectId=238682125

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

That's literally the point I was making in explaining why they decided to do this extension just to Arbutus for this first phase and the finish the rest of the route to UBC once Jericho Lands had more traction and there was a better idea how that development would play out.

Waiting for the Jericho Lands situation to getting sorted out before building the entire system to UBC would have delayed the opening of the entire line by easily another decade.
This way, the line up to Arbutus gets to open and be used even before the Jericho Lands development gets sorted out.

I don't understand why you didn't get that.
You tried to play it off as "politics" or "political will", when I was just explainig it from the logistics and practicality standpoint.

No, I am saying that what you are saying is factually incorrect. There is no technical limitation for UBCx that hinges on the Jericho Lands redevelopment. The Skytrain line can go down 8th adjacent to the property rather than through it, so the construction of the Jericho Lands doesn't disrupt it.

The fact of the matter is, that UBCx is needed with or without the Jericho Lands. If students and transit users were a powerful voting block (like motorists in Surrey, for example) UBCx could have been built at the same time as BSP, Jericho Lands does in no way interfere with a 8th Ave alignment. You are wrong.

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Given the poster's previous history, I'm going to assume a bad take rather than outright trolling. It's easy in this city to get sucked up by developer hype (and then be disappointed by another 5-10 years of stagnation or slow growth until the neighbourhood's actually functional).

You're forgetting that this is a Skytrain to UBC, not a Skytrain to the Jericho Lands. UBCx is needed with or without Jericho, Jericho is just a ridership bonus.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by madog222

Redevelopment of the Vancouver Aboriginal Friendship Centre Society site at 1607 E Hastings. At the current rate of proposals popping up this area is going to look very different in the next 5 years.

https://plposweb.vancouver.ca/Public/Default.aspx?PossePresentation=Guest&PosseObjectId=238682125

Seems like Makola Development Services was also consulting for 1015 East Hastings

https://makoladevelopment.com/1015-east-hastings-street-mixed-use-project/

While Ho’-kee-melh Kloshe Lum is a huge undertaking for VACFS compared to past housing projects, it’s also a symbol of hope—and a testament to what can be achieved with a strong vision, strong leadership, and a shared commitment to tackling Vancouver’s homeless crisis. The project is the result of a partnership between the Province of BC, the federal government, the City of Vancouver, the Aboriginal Housing Management Association, and VAFCS, with development support from Western Canadian Properties Group and M’akola Development Services.

https://www.reminetwork.com/articles/indigenous-led-project-brings-hope-to-east-hastings/

And 3338 Sawmill Crescent in River District

https://sites.google.com/view/mhssawmill/home

https://makola.bc.ca/

[BaddieB]

Why are architects allergic to lining up windows correctly. The offset trend is ugly.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

You're forgetting that this is a Skytrain to UBC, not a Skytrain to the Jericho Lands. UBCx is needed with or without Jericho, Jericho is just a ridership bonus.

I think you have the wrong comment.

[s211]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

https://www.biv.com/news/real-estate/new...rises-vancouver-small-businesses-9662114

"equity-denied groups"????

[LeftCoaster]

My projects' funding keep getting equity denied. Do I fit into this group?