BC Political Discussion: Election 2024 & 43rd Parliament

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

Patiently waiting for some new polls to come in. It's been quiet...too quiet (Mainstreet doesn't count)

https://leger360.com/bc-polling-oct-14

• The BC NDP (46%) continues to hold the lead in voting intention among decided voters over The Conservative Party of BC (42%) with a slightly narrower 4-point lead from last week and despite Furstenau’s debate performance, the Greens have held steady at 9%.
• The NDP has picked up support in the Metro Vancouver area (42% to 49%) in the past three weeks, and the Conservatives have continued their gains in areas of BC outside of Metro Vancouver and Vancouver Island (to 49%).
• Voters 55+ continue to support the NDP over the Conservative Party of BC by a 13 pt. margin (51% to 37%) while Conservative support is highest among males (47%) and 35-54’s (47%). While Conservative support dropped substantially last week among youth and women, it has recovered slightly this week.
• A considerable number (37%) of BC residents have already voted with heavy turnout from the 55+ group (49%) and lower numbers among 35-54 (33%) and 18-34 (23%)–with early results favouring the BC NDP.
• Eby edged out Rustad as the winner of the leader’s debate (27% to 25%) with Furstenau a distant third (14%)–and a substantial 34% not having an opinion.

One thing is clear from these polls. Gen Z, Millenials and Gen Xers are not fans of the NDP.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I wonder what impact the atmospheric river will have on the election.

Federal elections seem to have mechanics to postpone in the event of a natural disaster

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=bkg&document=pos&lang=e

I guess they could extend it if there are power outages etc.

https://www.bclaws.gov.bc.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/96106_06#section96

Funny you mention it, I was talking to some friends who voted earlier this week for the exact reason that they didn't want to go out and do it in the pouring rain!

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

One thing is clear from these polls. Gen Z, Millenials and Gen Xers are not fans of the NDP.

"while Conservative support is highest among males (47%) and 35-54’s (47%)"

Is there data out there that mentions the voting intentions for those younger Gen-Y and all the Gen-Zed voters are?

EDIT: Nvm I see it in the report for 18-34 (Gen-Zed / young Gen-Y:

Oct. 15
NDP: 44%
Conservative: 43%

Sept. 30
NDP: 39%
Conservative: 47%

Looks like a fair amount of poll change on the Island (Conservative+) and Metro Van (NDP+)

[Vin]

Vote carefully.....or many issues we have today continue to be the norm.

Kids walking by dead bodies on the streets:
https://x.com/VancityNews1/status/1846294537217757526

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Vote carefully.....or many issues we have today become the norm.

Kids walking by dead bodies on the streets:
https://x.com/VancityNews1/status/1846294537217757526

That's quite the account you follow.

[Vin]

Remembering the Massey Tunnel fiasco:

PCA: No excuse for mishandling of B.C.’s Massey Tunnel Replacement project
https://www.richmond-news.com/sponsored/...assey-tunnel-replacement-project-9648301

When millions of dollars were already spent on the study, design and preparation of construction, the NDP had to cancel this vital project by "promising" a better solution when they took power 8 years ago. Now, with increasing population growths on both sides of the waterway, Massey tunnel is seeing even more congestions faced by commuters everyday.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Vin

Vote carefully.....or many issues we have today continue to be the norm.

Agreed. If the BC Conservatives win we might be in a worse housing crisis due to them scaling back the NDP policies and re-allowing municipalities to take control and re-add red tape and consultation.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

That's quite the account you follow.

Thanks for watching. BTW I don't follow that account.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Agreed. If the BC Conservatives win we might be in a worse housing crisis due to them scaling back the NDP policies and re-allowing municipalities to take control and re-add red tape and consultation.

Did the NDP mud-slinging ads fool you into believing that? In 8 years being the government, why did the NDP not do this sooner and only implemented it in 2024? It feels like a desperate scramble to gain more votes to me.

Ex. Vancouver mayor Greg Robertson tried to pull this off by upzoning the Cambie corridor to increase density last year of his tenure back in 2018 but we could all see through the lies, insincerity and insecurity.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Vin

Did the NDP mud-slinging ads fool you into believing that? In 8 years being the government, why did the NDP not do this sooner and just implemented it in 2024? It feels like a desperate scramble to gain more votes to me.

I dunno. It seems like the opposite of a voter-getter to myself. It really rankled a lot of feathers. Very chancy

[whatnext]

Food for thought. I've bolded some facts:

Opinion: To address affordability, policymakers must first fix B.C.’s painful payroll picture
Stakeholders should be concerned by a decline in private sector jobs, because we can’t fix cost-of-living challenges without them
Jock Finlayson and Ken Peacock
about 24 hours ago

The private sector drives innovation and economic progress. It is the source of most capital investment and productivity growth. When companies are successful and optimistic, they expand operations and hire more employees. There are three times more employees in the private sector than in the public sector. When B.C.’s economy is healthy, the private sector generally underpins job creation.

So, when we observe that the number of payroll employees in B.C.’s private sector has fallen since the beginning of the year, is no higher than two years ago and is unchanged since the start of 2019 (a period of nearly six years), we should be concerned. All other provinces have seen respectable to strong gains in private sector employment over the same time periods. B.C stands out, and not in a positive way...

....So, when the BC NDP is in the fourth year of implementing a suite of policies designed to slow economic growth and reduce income by $13.7 billion in 2025, it is probably safe to conclude that CleanBC policies are working as intended.

The evolution of the government’s modelling showed that for B.C. to meet its 2030 greenhouse gas emission targets, it would be necessary to curtail economic growth and thus job creation. Capital investment has been waning for several years, and companies are increasingly deferring projects and/or shifting investment to other jurisdictions. This reallocation generally happens quietly and takes many years to become fully evident. But FortisBC’s recent application to provide natural gas service to a new residential development in the Okanagan is a publicized example. The company’s proposal to invest several hundred million dollars in energy infrastructure was declined by the BC Utilities Commission because it was deemed inconsistent with CleanBC....

https://www.biv.com/news/commentary/opin...-fix-bcs-painful-payroll-picture-9663026

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Vin

Ex. Vancouver mayor Greg Robertson tried to pull this off by upzoning the Cambie corridor to increase density last year of his tenure back in 2018 but we could all see through the lies, insincerity and insecurity.

This was just before my time. Can you elaborate?

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by Vin

Vote carefully.....or many issues we have today continue to be the norm.

Kids walking by dead bodies on the streets:
https://x.com/VancityNews1/status/1846294537217757526

Oh i voted Carefully, I voted to keep the clowns out of office so I voted NDP

[Vin]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

This was just before my time. Can you elaborate?

City of Vancouver

The plan to upzone the Cambie Town centre massively was implemented in 2018: the last year of the tenureship of the Vision government under Gregor Robertson when he could introduce this much earlier when he became mayor a decade prior in 2008.
https://guidelines.vancouver.ca/policy-plan-cambie-corridor-public-realm.pdf

In 2022, the municipal government under Kennedy Stewart introduced a massive upzone of the Cambie Corridor/Town Centre. Again this could be done earlier on when Kennedy started in 2018.

The fact is that these ex-mayors who did nothing for Vancouver were trying to pull votes, and tried to do something amazing during the election season after realizing they were losing popularity.


British Columbia

Similarly, the NPA made so many horrible policies and decisions in this province harming so many people, and knowing that their popularity slipping, is starting to pull back on a couple of the least popular ones during the last year of tenure (eg. open drug use), introduce one or two policies that people want (eg. massive upzoning of housing near transit centres), and then lie about the opposition that they will oppose what people prefer to see. Unfortunately, many of our compatriots are just naive to believe them.

These actions are not dissimilar to what those ex-mayors and their governments were doing. They spend more time doing harm than doing good for the jurisdictions they govern.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

Oh i voted Carefully, I voted to keep the clowns out of office so I voted NDP

It's your prerogative. Others are trying to dislodge the real clowns clinging to the wagon.

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by Vin

Did the NDP mud-slinging ads fool you into believing that? In 8 years being the government, why did the NDP not do this sooner and only implemented it in 2024? It feels like a desperate scramble to gain more votes to me.

Because it's a very politically unpopular thing to do, but they did it anyway. No other government in North America is as brave to enact such a law, laws that the BC Conservatives want to repeal. Give me a break.

[seamusmcduff]

Originally Posted by casper

You can only muzzle the candidates so long. Eventually some of the more wild ones will chew their way out and start talking nonsense.

But you may be right, its to near the end for their to be a big impact.

Sadly, that only matters when voters actually pay attention to the candidate in their riding. Kristina Loewen is still polling at 50% in Kelowna despite being a self described conspiracy theorist, believing that essential oils can heal you, running an MLM for those oils, being anti vax, and being anti vax in general. She also hasn't shown up to a single election event or debate, and the voters don't seem to care.

https://www.reddit.com/r/kelowna/s/swvMGFHOVN

[Vin]

Who can best perform to being safety back into our cities?

B.C. mayors seek immediate action from governments on public safety
https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-mayors-seek-immediate-action-from-governments-on-public-safety

Vancouverites deserve a city that’s safe from random attacks
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/...e-a-city-thats-safe-from-random-attacks/

The incidents:

Man with prior assault convictions charged in Vancouver tourist beatings https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/brit...f0f4fb0-bc2b-57d1-a871-8f352e55eb92.html

Recent Vancouver attacks highlight urgent need for coordinated mental health care
https://www.straight.com/city-culture/re...-need-for-coordinated-mental-health-care

‘Unprovoked stranger attacks’ leave 1 dead, 1 seriously hurt in downtown Vancouver
https://globalnews.ca/news/10732611/vancouver-downtown-serious-incidents/

Japanese chef stabbed to death on street in Vancouver
https://japantoday.com/category/crime/ja...-stabbed-to-death-on-street-in-vancouver

Transit Police make arrest following unprovoked attack
https://transitpolice.ca/news-posts/transit-police-make-arrest-following-unprovoked-attack/

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Food for thought. I've bolded some facts:

Opinion: To address affordability, policymakers must first fix B.C.’s painful payroll picture
Stakeholders should be concerned by a decline in private sector jobs, because we can’t fix cost-of-living challenges without them
Jock Finlayson and Ken Peacock
about 24 hours ago

The private sector drives innovation and economic progress. It is the source of most capital investment and productivity growth. When companies are successful and optimistic, they expand operations and hire more employees. There are three times more employees in the private sector than in the public sector. When B.C.’s economy is healthy, the private sector generally underpins job creation.

So, when we observe that the number of payroll employees in B.C.’s private sector has fallen since the beginning of the year, is no higher than two years ago and is unchanged since the start of 2019 (a period of nearly six years), we should be concerned. All other provinces have seen respectable to strong gains in private sector employment over the same time periods. B.C stands out, and not in a positive way...

....So, when the BC NDP is in the fourth year of implementing a suite of policies designed to slow economic growth and reduce income by $13.7 billion in 2025, it is probably safe to conclude that CleanBC policies are working as intended.

The evolution of the government’s modelling showed that for B.C. to meet its 2030 greenhouse gas emission targets, it would be necessary to curtail economic growth and thus job creation. Capital investment has been waning for several years, and companies are increasingly deferring projects and/or shifting investment to other jurisdictions. This reallocation generally happens quietly and takes many years to become fully evident. But FortisBC’s recent application to provide natural gas service to a new residential development in the Okanagan is a publicized example. The company’s proposal to invest several hundred million dollars in energy infrastructure was declined by the BC Utilities Commission because it was deemed inconsistent with CleanBC....

https://www.biv.com/news/commentary/opin...-fix-bcs-painful-payroll-picture-9663026

The private sector drives innovation and economic progress. It is the source of most capital investment and productivity growth. When companies are successful and optimistic, they expand operations and hire more employees. There are three times more employees in the private sector than in the public sector. When B.C.’s economy is healthy, the private sector generally underpins job creation.

Was once true, but I no longer have faith in the private sector to put Canadian interests first.

There's been a huge shift in Canada where we are seeing AI shed a significant number of jobs while also seeing a huge influx of foreign workers coming into the country and being preferred candidates due to their ability to get exploited. We are in uncharted times.

No sector is really safe right now. Someone globally can learn how you do your job or get credentials/accreditation and be willing to accept way less compensation to get out of their hell hole country. I have seen salaries for devs tank in the past 36 months which is depressing to see. It's no wonder why we continue to see a massive brain drain in this country.

This is coming from someone who knows how lazy and inefficient public sector workers can be.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Vin

Similarly, the NDP* made so many horrible policies and decisions in this province harming so many people, and knowing that their popularity slipping, is starting to pull back on a couple of the least popular ones during the last year of tenure (eg. open drug use), introduce one or two policies that people want (eg. massive upzoning of housing near transit centres), and then lie about the opposition that they will oppose what people prefer to see. Unfortunately, many of our compatriots are just naive to believe them.

As for the NDP housing policies, and opposition to them, I'm just going off of what the Conservatives have been saying publicly and what's in their platform.