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View Poll Results: Who has the more positive vision for New Brunswick's future?
Susan Holt's Liberals 50 74.63%
Blaine Higgs's Progressive Conservatives 17 25.37%
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In today's mirth.

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People’s Alliance says PC government has gone ‘too far right
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In all seriousness, the PA was initially intended to be a righter wing party than the PCs? And now, reconstituted wants to gain the centre?

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Alliance candidate Peter Graham, running in Hampton-Fundy-St. Martins, says his is a party of 'centrists who reject extremism.'
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This seems to be the same play that Cardy is attempting federally.

And utterly hilarious, with extremely low likelyhood of any success.
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In today's mirth.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6532968

In all seriousness, the PA was initially intended to be a righter wing party than the PCs? And now, reconstituted wants to gain the centre?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/peoples-alliance-election-nb-2024-1.7348847

This seems to be the same play that Cardy is attempting federally.

And utterly hilarious, with extremely low likelyhood of any success.

True, but no more hilarious as someone with Higgs' positions and views running a party called The Progressive Conservatives.
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In today's mirth.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6532968

In all seriousness, the PA was initially intended to be a righter wing party than the PCs? And now, reconstituted wants to gain the centre?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/peoples-alliance-election-nb-2024-1.7348847

This seems to be the same play that Cardy is attempting federally.

And utterly hilarious, with extremely low likelyhood of any success.
If you don’t like what’s being said about your party… change the conversation.

There’s People’s Alliance candidates running in 4 of the 6 closest races for the PCs. They could end up spoiling those races for the PCs. They might have no chance to win a single seat, but they could impact the electoral outcome in more than one riding to the detriment of the PCs. Which would both be hilarious and about as close to success as their party will get this election. Good on them
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True, but no more hilarious as someone with Higgs' positions and views running a party called The Progressive Conservatives.
Its been interesting seeing the right wing populism being such a lightning rod, globally. Right wing populism is polling well federally; literally the federal conservative party is right wing populism Canadianized.

Higgs won the leadership race based on this strategy; and there is broad functional alignment with the federal party. Ford in Ontario (folks!) is another variation of this.

Nova Scotia isn't there yet; I'd suggest the old players are still running the show in NS with factions between the geographies.

Now, as an exercise, are there any positions that Higgs has brought forward that would have been discontinuous with the last Harper government; and that are meat and potatoes right wing policies?
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My latest electoral map projection (with key swing ridings highlighted)



I think Holt's Liberals have 23 solidly red seats at the moment, along with 5 others that are likely leaning their way.

Saint John West and Saint John East may be leaning PC, but I think Kim Costain is very much not seen as the more serious candidate compared to Kate Wilcott, but she will definitely need some help from strategic voters and people who sat out 2020 in order to win the West Saint John seat for the Liberals.

The Faytene effect could very well help Alston defeat Savoie in Saint John East.

With high enough voter turnout the Liberals could end up with 28-30 seats, and the Greens could end up with 3-4 seats. The Greens may want to refocus their campaign in Fredericton to the two seats they have solid chances at winning.
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I think Holt's Liberals have 23 solidly red seats at the moment, along with 5 others that are likely leaning their way.

Saint John West and Saint John East may be leaning PC, but I think Kim Costain is very much not seen as the more serious candidate compared to Kate Wilcott, but she will definitely need some help from strategic voters and people who sat out 2020 in order to win the West Saint John seat for the Liberals.

The Faytene effect could very well help Alston defeat Savoie in Saint John East.

With high enough voter turnout the Liberals could end up with 28-30 seats, and the Greens could end up with 3-4 seats. The Greens may want to refocus their campaign in Fredericton to the two seats they have solid chances at winning.
My gut feeling is that while that map is not completely outside the realm of what is conceivable, it is certainly on the fringe. You are assuming that possible outcomes in every riding break in the Liberal's favour.

I think that's more wishful thinking than a realistic appraisal of the situation.
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My gut feeling is that while that map is not completely outside the realm of what is conceivable, it is certainly on the fringe. You are assuming that possible outcomes in every riding break in the Liberal's favour.

I think that's more wishful thinking than a realistic appraisal of the situation.
I don’t know, the Liberals have a pretty solid grasp on around 23 ridings right now… meaning they only need to win two seats beyond that to get to 25.

I’m not just pulling these projections out of my ass. Mainstreet has an even more optimistic projection than this map. The 338 map is far from gospel… it’s missing a lot of information and relying too heavily upon results from the last election. The last election which was a bit of an outlier due to the pandemic, and the Liberals having an extremely inexperienced leader in Kevin Vickers who ran a dreadfully full campaign.

Sure, I’m hoping Saint John goes mostly red this time, as it will benefit our city to have multiple MLAs as part of the next government, and I think Susan Holt’s Liberals have the objectively better platform for Saint John, and better platform for cities in general.
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My gut feeling is that while that map is not completely outside the realm of what is conceivable, it is certainly on the fringe. You are assuming that possible outcomes in every riding break in the Liberal's favour.

I think that's more wishful thinking than a realistic appraisal of the situation.
Its probably a reality 4σ out from the actual outcome.

My only quibbles with the 338 model are bathurst, lincoln and Neguac. Flipping all of these, probably a 2σ outcome, implies a 27 seat majority; and the gravy would be to flip a seat in the Brayon area.



And coloring maps is silly; we are electing individual seats, not individual square kilometers.
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And colouring maps is silly; we are electing individual seats, not individual square kilometers.

Colouring maps is quite helpful in terms of understanding the boundaries of each seat and where the parties should focus their efforts in the closest ridings.
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I think Ernie Steeves has a fair chance in Moncton Northwest. He might not be the brightest light on the tree, but, he is well liked, well known, has been a long term member of the house, and is a prominent cabinet minister. The Liberals chose a candidate with no profile to run against him. I have no idea who she is.

Also, I think Moncton South is safely PC as well. Greg Turner is a well known and well liked local businessman, former city councilor and provincial cabinet minister. He is also not socially conservative. Again, the Liberals have chosen a candidate with no profile to run against him.

The rest of Moncton will likely be Liberal as well as the Dieppe ridings. Riverview should be safely PC.
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I think Ernie Steeves has a fair chance in Moncton Northwest. He might not be the brightest light on the tree, but, he is well liked, well known, has been a long term member of the house, and is a prominent cabinet minister. The Liberals chose a candidate with no profile to run against him. I have no idea who she is.

Also, I think Moncton South is safely PC as well. Greg Turner is a well known and well liked local businessman, former city councilor and provincial cabinet minister. He is also not socially conservative. Again, the Liberals have chosen a candidate with no profile to run against him.

The rest of Moncton will likely be Liberal as well as the Dieppe ridings. Riverview should be safely PC.
Interesting. I hadn't considered Steeves.

I realigned by chart for election resukts watching. The bellweather ridings are highlighted.

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1st advance poll is tomorrow. Curious as to how many plan to vote early? I probably will. At this point unless Susan Holt is revealed to be running a pedophile ring in the basement of a Washington DC pizza parlor or Higgs is shown to have close contact with and great admiration for Vladimir Putin or Kin Jong Un my choice is unlikely to change.


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Disgusting. Kids have no clue what they are doing at that age and starting this journey at such a young age is going to be nothing but disastrous. I could never vote for this party in good conscious. It's mostly my moral stand points that I could never vote for this kind of garbage. Leave the kids alone.
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1st advance poll is tomorrow. Curious as to how many plan to vote early? I probably will. At this point unless Susan Holt is revealed to be running a pedophile ring in the basement of a Washington DC pizza parlor or Higgs is shown to have close contact with and great admiration for Vladimir Putin or Kin Jong Un my choice is unlikely to change.


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Sounds like you still haven’t made up your mind lol
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I think Ernie Steeves has a fair chance in Moncton Northwest. He might not be the brightest light on the tree, but, he is well liked, well known, has been a long term member of the house, and is a prominent cabinet minister. The Liberals chose a candidate with no profile to run against him. I have no idea who she is.

Also, I think Moncton South is safely PC as well. Greg Turner is a well known and well liked local businessman, former city councilor and provincial cabinet minister. He is also not socially conservative. Again, the Liberals have chosen a candidate with no profile to run against him.

The rest of Moncton will likely be Liberal as well as the Dieppe ridings. Riverview should be safely PC.
How educated and informed on the candidates do you honestly think the average voter is? You have over 36,000 posts on a forum pertaining to local development news in Moncton and New Brunswick… you simply can’t expect the average voter to think the same way as you do, let alone first time voters and new Canadians. I don't need to remind you that Moncton's population has been booming for the past four years. This is a huge variable for the election that 338 model just can't accurately account for. Voter turnout could end up being the highest since 1999.

Think of how many new people have moved to Moncton over the last 4 years that don’t think even slightly the same way you do regarding having to “know” candidates based on their reputation in town, etc. Just because they don't run in the same social circles as you, doesn't mean they have no profile, don't paint these candidates with such a wide brush, because you don't happen to know them.

Contrary to your "no profile" claim, Tania Sodhi is a popular, well known, local realtor who manages a daycare. She’s also a fresh, new face to NB Politics, in a city with some the the freshest faces in Canada. She would also be the first Indo-Canadian MLA in the history of NB, and last time I checked, there's a lot of Indo-Canadians that have moved to Moncton in the last four years. According to the Census there were only 330 South Asians in Moncton in 2016, by 2021 there were more than 2,310. Considering Moncton's population has been absolutely exploding in the past four years, and Indo-Canadians are the number one newcomer group in Canada, I think its safe to say there's around double the number of South Asians voters in Moncton in 2024 as there were in 2020... and that bodes well for Tania Sodhi making history to become the first Indo-Canadian MLA in the history of New Brunswick.

Steeves, on the other hand, is an establishment figure who's been minister of finance for the past 6 years under a Higgs government that put their preference for surpluses ahead of peoples live, as they've starved the healthcare system of much needed investment, and done next to nothing to deal with the home affordability and homelessness crises plaguing Moncton and other NB cities. Steeve might stand a fair chance to get a lot of the same voters he got to vote for him last time, but good luck attracting new voters when you're such an establishment figure, when many people see healthcare, housing, homelessness, and broken promises on tax reform as some of the biggest areas of neglect, inaction, corruption, and downright subterfuge on behalf of the Higgs government.


As for Greg Turner's seat in Moncton South being "safely PC". Hardly.

Local businessman, former city councillor… sounds like an establishment fossil that will do absolutely nothing to challenge Higgs on the need to fix the healthcare system, bring about tax reform, or deal with the homelessness and housing crises. He's not nearly as qualified as his opponent, who could very well end up becoming a cabinet minister in the Holt government. You claim Claire Johnson has “no profile”, , perhaps you should take a look at her actual profile?


Johnson has her PHD in Population Health and is smartly making healthcare issues central to her campaign efforts. Even if both her and Dr. John Dornan get elected, Claire Johnson might be the Dr. best suited for Minister of Health. Same thing with Greg Turner as I said for Steeves, he's going to have a good chance at getting a lot of the same people who voted for him in 2020 to vote for him again, but I don't see him have a lot of success in convincing new voters, and informed voters who want to see action on healthcare, housing, homelessness, tax reform, and the myriad of other issues that the Higgs government have done a poor job with. It's just not logical.

One other major thing to take into account. Ernie Steeves was nearly defeated by a female candidate in 2018, and both he and Greg Turner defeated male Liberal candidates in the 2020 election. These two old men are now facing two younger, female candidates, who have a lot more appeal to new voters, especially first time voters. The Liberals have a strong opportunity to sweep the city of Moncton, because Greg Turner and Ernie Steeves have very little to actually run on to entice city voters to vote for them over the Liberals.

Holt is offering a new deal for New Brunswick's cities and promising comprehensive tax reform. She's promising to make better investments in healthcare to create better outcomes for New Brunswickers, she's promising to better fund public education, she's offering up a plan to get more housing built through a targeted elimination of the HST on new builds, and she's committing to rent caps to make housing in New Brunswick more affordable and stable. Higgs is offering vague promises about parental rights, and committing to a 2% reduction of the HST. He hasn't offered up any plans on healthcare, the need for tax reform, housing, homelessness, or the real issues impacting the public school system. Higgs is making it very difficult for his candidates to appeal to city voters, and that spells disaster for the PCs in Moncton Northwest and Moncton South.

I think Sodhi and Johnson are poised to swing these two Moncton seats for the Liberals, partially thanks to the rapidly changing demographics of New Brunswick's cities, but also thanks to their candidates and party running a campaign based around real issues, and not controversial distractions like their PC opponents are running on. Vitality, Hope, and Vision can be far more powerful electoral forces than divisive partisan politics.

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Red face The PC's struggle to win over city voters will cost them the election.

I predict the PCs are going to struggle far more greatly with swing voters in the three main cities than they did in 2020, and ultimately, that will cost them the election.

Many city voters still have the springtime surprise regarding the tax spike fresh on their minds. Holt is promising to reform the tax code so that New Brunswick's cities could actually lower tax rates on residential homes, without lowering the tax rate on industry. Higgs is essentially running on guaranteed 10% yearly increases on residential property tax, and he's no longer promising municipal tax reform either!

Empowering municipalities is a key aspect of Susan Holt's platform, unlike Higgs, who has for the past 6 years done much to undermine municipalities, underfund our cities, and under-deliver on promises regarding tax reform, healthcare, homelessness, education.

Higgs is a classic example of a Neo Conservative who can't be judged based on what he says, but rather, what he does. Susan Holt seems to be a positive, hard working, centrist who wants to devote her time in office to improving life for New Brunswickers.

Also, unlike Higgs, Holt seems to actually care what voters have to say, which is a rare skill that not all politicians have.
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I do not love Higgs, but any party aiming at reducing a parents roll and responsibilities is not getting my vote again. Private school was never something I thought I would have to consider but it is on the table now. My poor kids are confused enough as it is, and do not need "Experts" with a singular "expertise" and agenda weighing in.

Never wanted to be a one issue voter but this sort of rhetoric is a non-starter for me. The less political schools are the better.
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I do not love Higgs, but any party aiming at reducing a parents roll and responsibilities is not getting my vote again. Private school was never something I thought I would have to consider but it is on the table now. My poor kids are confused enough as it is, and do not need "Experts" with a singular "expertise" and agenda weighing in.

Never wanted to be a one issue voter but this sort of rhetoric is a non-starter for me. The less political schools are the better.
The policy Holt supports is the same policy that Nova Scotia has who currently has a conservative premier who is popular.

The PCs take advantage of a lot of ignorance on this topic with their style of messaging. The policy is to protect vulnerable children by allowing informal name changes. Nothing else beyond informal name changes is happening. There isn't some radical trans expert telling the kids to all turn trans. Suicide rates for trans kids is higher than any other group, data shows this type of support reduces their suicide rate. It's that simple for me.
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Suicide rates for trans kids is higher than any other group, data shows this type of support reduces their suicide rate. It's that simple for me.
The cass report from the uk found this statement to be without evidence. Many of the studies suggesting the same were found to be unreliable, to say the least.

Are you working from biased data?

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/
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