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I’d be very happy with 1,580’. This tower is iconic. I just want to see work in 2025.
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I’d be very happy with 1,580’. This tower is iconic. I just want to see work in 2025.
It's an awesome height, about time USA started building more of these towers.
     
     
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the height is nice, but really its all about that base, which may be the most amazing ever for a large tower.
     
     
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the height is nice, but really its all about that base, which may be the most amazing ever for a large tower.
The base is amazing. The whole tower is extraordinary.
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It's all about that base, 'bout that base, not tower
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https://www.businessinsider.nl/what-offi...h-end-space-and-are-rushing-to-build-it/

What office meltdown? Developers see a shortage of high-end space and are rushing to build it.

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10 03 2024


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Even with the tailwinds, financing high end office construction remains a challenge. Banks have grown wary of lending to office projects, even those that are likely to be a financial success, because of broader concerns around declining values, increased foreclosures, and potential financial losses in the sector.

Rechler said that RXR was considering "alternative strategies" to arrange financing for 175 Park Ave., as a result.

"The scale of this project is of a level, I'm not sure you'd be able to get enough traditional banks, as an example, to be a lender," Rechler said.

Rechler said RXR has explored other routes to arrange the billions of dollars of debt necessary to fund 175 Park Ave.'s construction, including the municipal bond market, in part because the project includes $500 million of transit upgrades to Grand Central Terminal.

"I feel good," Rechler said, "that we'll have the right combination of pre-leasing and financing to begin next year."
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If Rechler builds this Pantheon of Finance, he will have a place on Mount Olympus with Jamie Dimon and Ken Griffen. Indeed, once 175 and 350 Park are rising, a new edition of Hesiod’s Theogony will be warranted, which includes Rechler, Griffen, and King Dimon.
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More reason for Rechler's optimism...



https://commercialobserver.com/2024/10/midtown-manhattan-office-2024-2025/

In Much of Midtown’s Office Market, It’s Like the Pandemic Didn’t Happen
Some of its corridors sport average asking rents of more than $100 a square foot — just like before COVID-19



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Midtown Manhattan’s office market is like a Timex watch. It takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

Trends such as a flight to quality among tenants, a dwindling supply of top-shelf office space, and the sheer history of Midtown as the traditional hub of New York business all have combined for a post-pandemic run that other New York submarkets — and cities — could only envy.

.....data shows that asking rents for office space in four districts within Midtown — the Plaza, the Penn Station/Hudson Yards, Fifth Avenue/Madison and the Park Avenue corridor — averaged above $100 a square foot by September. These are easily the costliest office asking rents in New York City — and perhaps the U.S. — and are now similar to the asking rents in these districts pre-pandemic.
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“I think the press is about six to 12 months behind reality,” said Mark Weiss, a Cushman & Wakefield (CWK) executive vice chairman and a four-time winner of the Real Estate Board of New York’s Most Ingenious Deal of the Year Award. “The work-from-home, hybrid trend in New York City is irrelevant, it’s gone. Companies are expanding again and we are seeing [rents] 20 to 25 percent higher in price. Anyone who thinks that workers working from home aren’t looking to be fired is kidding themselves.”
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Some of the biggest recent deals included Blackstone’s renewal and expansion at 345 Park Avenue — which would give the private equity giant 1.06 million square feet there, adding 340,000 square feet to its footprint at its headquarters — and auction house Christie’s 406,700-square-foot renewal at 20 Rockefeller Plaza.

A deeper look at the market shows that there are those pockets where you wouldn’t even know there had been a pandemic-related downturn. Think places such as the Sixth Avenue/Rockefeller Center corridor; lower Park Avenue, roughly from Grand Central Terminal to East 59th Street; and the Hudson Yards area, where all the skyscrapers are brand new or close to it.
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Midtown’s priciest submarket was the Park Avenue corridor, with a weighted average rental rate of $108.84 a square foot, followed by the Penn Station area, which includes Hudson Yards, at $106.24, according to Cushman & Wakefield. The Madison Avenue/Fifth Avenue corridor finished third at $105.77 a square foot.

CBRE pegged the Plaza District’s average asking rent at $125.07 a square foot in the second quarter — the highest in a data set going back to Q1 2018 — followed by the Penn District, including Hudson Yards, at $106.02, and the Park Avenue corridor at $101.55 a square foot.
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One problem that worries brokers is that Midtown is running out of state-of-the-art space, with relatively new towers like One Vanderbilt and buildings in the eastern half of the Hudson Yards filling up. Construction of new Class A product, too, is slackening, with little to no new product coming.

“We 100 percent need to build new product,” Myers said. “It used to be real estate was always location, location, location. Now it’s about quality, quality, quality.”

With skyscrapers that came online in the 2010s now filled up, “we’re delivering nothing in `25, nothing in `26, nothing in `27 unless someone starts today,” Myers said.
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There are, in fact, six office projects currently under construction in Manhattan. The biggest, at 1.9 million square feet, is 270 Park Avenue, J.P. Morgan Chase’s future headquarters. Two others, 1 St. Marks Place and 1 High Line, are primarily residential projects with office footprints of fewer than 50,000 square feet each.

There are another 35 office projects planned or proposed throughout Manhattan comprising some 31 million square feet, 27 of which are in Midtown. Those include 350 Park Avenue (the skyscraper with 1.8 million square feet that Ken Griffin’s Citadel investment house will anchor). The number also includes two planned towers over the Port Authority Bus Terminal, at 3 million and 2 million square feet.

Another, the redevelopment of the Grand Hyatt hotel site, which is on CBRE’s list, is being co-developed by RXR and TF Cornerstone. Plans call for 200 hotel rooms and 2.5 million square feet of offices, an RXR spokesman said. It is the site immediately east of Grand Central. The One Vanderbilt tower is immediately west of the terminal. The Grand Hyatt project, which is sometimes called Project Commodore, is sandwiched between the terminal and the Chrysler Building.
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I suspect that RXR is courting American Express. I wonder if AE is truly 100% committed to downtown. 175 Park is one of the best locations for commuters throughout the Tri-State.
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I suspect that RXR is courting American Express. I wonder if AE is truly 100% committed to downtown. 175 Park is one of the best locations for commuters throughout the Tri-State.
I’m sure they’ve gotten anybody who’s looking for major space to check it as an option, but those decisions take time. Amex wants over 1msf, and also ownership. RXR meanwhile is convinced they can get it started with a much smaller commitment.
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As far as AMEX goes I hope it's possible that 2WTC and 175 Park both rise. I'm worried it'll only be one or the other though unless there's another tenant interested in either building.
     
     
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As far as AMEX goes I hope it's possible that 2WTC and 175 Park both rise. I'm worried it'll only be one or the other though unless there's another tenant interested in either building.
There are multiple large tenants on the market for space, as it always is in New York. AMEX is particularly good for 2 WTC because they are already Downtown, and already a neighbor to the WTC. It’s more difficult to get a move the other way around.
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I agree that many tenants will seek space in 175, whereas Amex seems to be Larry’s best hope for 2 WTC. That being said, I hope that someone finally signs the 500k sf lease for 175 so that RXR can get the ball rolling.
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Since Morgan Stanley is a potential candidate for this tower, does anyone know how hard it would be to convert 1585 Broadway to a hotel or apartments? It seems to have relatively small floor plates which would make a conversion easier.
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Back in the day, I spent lots of time in MS HQ. It seemed to have decent-sized floorplates, and was a pretty typical layout for investment banking HQ. I don't think it would be a residential conversion. Nicer Midtown properties don't make sense as conversion candidates.

Also, the tower has a porte cochere, which is pretty nice for employees and visitors, and perfect for the low-level bankers toiling past midnight.

I could see MS moving to 175 Park tho. Much more convenient to suburban rail and closer to clients. And at this point, they likely need an upgraded and larger HQ.
     
     
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MS is an ideal candidate for 175 Park, but I recall that they want to get rid of 1585 Broadway as part of a deal to occupy a new HQ. I can’t imagine that there will be huge demand for 1585 as offices, but it would be very popular as a hotel.
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Since Morgan Stanley is a potential candidate for this tower, does anyone know how hard it would be to convert 1585 Broadway to a hotel or apartments? It seems to have relatively small floor plates which would make a conversion easier.
Apartments seem like a hard sell for busy/loud Times Square, especially for a conversion. Does zoning even allow for it?
     
     
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There's a planned residential conversion of a major tower, directly on Broadway/42nd Street. I think it would potentially work.

But I'm pretty sure the highest and best use is office, then hotel. There's nothing wrong with 1585 Broadway where it couldn't compete with other Class A office space. Class A Midtown space is pretty scarce now.
     
     
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There's a planned residential conversion of a major tower, directly on Broadway/42nd Street. I think it would potentially work.

But I'm pretty sure the highest and best use is office, then hotel. There's nothing wrong with 1585 Broadway where it couldn't compete with other Class A office space. Class A Midtown space is pretty scarce now.
I recall that. I don’t think that top companies want to be in Times Square though. They’ve basically all left.
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