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View Poll Results: Which bridge concept do you prefer?
Echo 35 77.78%
Motion 8 17.78%
Rendez-Vous 2 4.44%
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It only impacts Gatineau to Ottawa commuters so nobody in Ottawa cares and for political reasons Gatineau likes to pretend it doesn't care and it's up to the Feds to pay for something that benefits them. I guess if it was going to be a bike and pedestrian bridge they would voice views.
I don’t think many commuters want to use the Alexandra, they are using it because it is often less clogged than the alternatives.
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I don’t think many commuters want to use the Alexandra, they are using it because it is often less clogged than the alternatives.
Its a useless bridge for cars (How long has it been closed? Do we care?), just use the money to build the Kettle Island bridge! There I said it again

The existing structure can likely continue to support pedestrians cyclists etc...
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I don’t think many commuters want to use the Alexandra, they are using it because it is often less clogged than the alternatives.
It was used for commuting and every car that uses it is one not on McDonald Cartier or others that are at capacity during rush hour. Taking away 5% of the cars would make a big difference right now.

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Its a useless bridge for cars (How long has it been closed? Do we care?), just use the money to build the Kettle Island bridge! There I said it again

The existing structure can likely continue to support pedestrians cyclists etc...
Kettles Island is dead as Ottawa doesn't want it. It is likely a lot more expensive with whole highway connections needed too.

They claim that it needs upgrading even for pedestrians and cyclists and for those it is really an essential route. So here we are.
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So far, based on this poll, the Skyrise poll and a few conversations, Echo seems to be a clear winner (if replacement is absolutely necessary).
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Ottawa - We want new and exciting designs, we're tired of the same old same old. Give us variety and make it look different from everything else around here.

Also Ottawa. Make it look like the old one but paint it white.

Echo is ugly and boring. There is nothing adventurous or exciting about that design. My opinion (which I freely admit is worth two cents.)
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paint it white.

The white on all three concepts is just the absense of any decided colour or materialility.
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The white on all three concepts is just the absense of any decided colour or materialility.
Of course it is and I know that.

But I can also hear the NCC droids postulating along the lines of: "Oh a white bridge reflecting the image of the fresh snow in winter." Or: "A white bridge is indicative of the flow of the Ottawa river at it's mightiest when the white water churns and boils."

It's still boring/plain/mundane as designed.... even if they paint it lime green.
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For those who don't like the designs, could you post a picture of a bridge design that would be suitable?
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For those who don't like the designs, could you post a picture of a bridge design that would be suitable?
I was hoping for cable stayed as those tend to be quite prominent and look elegant while also being relatively simple as far as design.

That being said I just realized that Rendez Vous (hate the proposal name, gives me flashbacks) is significantly taller than the other two proposals. For that reason alone it’s my new top choice.

Above all else, this new bridge better have a dynamic lighting feature or I’m going to be very disappointed.
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Alexandra Bridge replacement should 'Echo' the original
I favoured retaining and repairing the historic Alexandra Bridge. But the government has chosen to replace it. Here's my analysis of the options the NCC unveiled last week.

David Jeanes, Ottawa Citizen
Published Oct 07, 2024 • Last updated 2 hours ago • 4 minute read


Three replacement designs for the Alexandra Bridge were presented by the National Capital Commission and Public Services and Procurement Canada to the public advisory group in late September, to the NCC board on Oct. 1 and to the public on Oct. 2 and 3. They are conceptual designs; we do not yet have details of material, texture or colours.

Before we analyze them, let’s recall the importance, and the history of this bridge.

In 1900, the Alexandra Bridge was a major engineering achievement, the fourth-longest cantilever span in the world, one of the earliest cantilever railway bridges in Canada, and erected by a Canadian Company, Dominion Bridge. It preceded by 16 years the more famous and much longer Quebec Bridge, built by the same engineers. The Alexandra bridge is currently the longest surviving cantilever bridge in Canada and has been recognized by the Canadian Society of Civil Engineers as a National Historic Civil Engineering Site.

I have been closely interested in the Alexandra Bridge, also known as the Interprovincial Bridge, ever since I organized a public celebration for its 100th anniversary in 2001. I have given several lecture presentations about the bridge to Heritage Ottawa and other organizations and have led Heritage Ottawa walking tours to the bridge in recent years. I currently represent the public transport advocacy group Transport Action Canada on the Alexandra Bridge Public Advisory Group.

I am also a member of the Alexandra Bridge Coalition, representing Transport Action, together with community and heritage organizations and others. We have advocated for the repair and retention of the existing bridge, but only for active transportation, (pedestrians, cycling and possibly light rail). The corrosion damage to the bridge over the past 50 years or more is almost entirely due to road salt. This could be avoided in future if there were no cars or trucks. The active transportation option would also reduce traffic in the ByWard Market and Lowertown. We feel that the repair and retention option, which was also requested by members of the Public Advisory Group, was not sufficiently evaluated.

So let us look at the three options for replacement that are being considered.

Views from the bridge

The first proposal, called “Echo,” is supposed to reflect the character of the existing bridge. It does this by having two main piers, like the present bridge, each supporting a structure that resembles the Alexandra Bridge cantilever design. A cantilever typically has two equal parts, balanced on either side of the supporting piers. When you look at the “Echo” bridge, you see that the trusses on either side of the two main piers do visually balance each other.

The highest points of the bridge are directly above the piers and are similar in height to the present bridge. This means that the bridge does not loom higher than Kiweki, (formerly Nepean) Point. It also does not obstruct the view of Parliament as shown from Jacques Cartier Park, or of the Canadian Museum of History, as shown from the Kiweki Point lookout.

The second design, “Rendez vous,” consists of two arches, not of equal size. The taller and longer arch is closer to the Ottawa side and looms considerably higher than Kiweki Point. The arch actually blocks the view of Parliament, as shown from Jacques Cartier Park, as well as the view of the history museum from Kiweki Point. The bridge deck appears to be suspended from the arches by vertical cables, unlike the truss structure of the Echo and Alexandra bridges.

The third bridge design, “Motion,” is an undulating set of three arches of different sizes. They are supposed to represent the eels that inhabit the Ottawa River and that have special significance for the Algonquin Anishinaabe First Nations people. In fact, the eel (“pimisi” in Algonquin), has already been recognized with the name and a sculpture at the Pimisi light rail station on the Confederation Line.

Which might be the better choice?

Looking at the Echo bridge design in detail, it also reflects the current bridge, with two decks extending upstream and downstream outside the cantilever truss structure. The upstream deck is again for pedestrians, the downstream deck for automobiles, potentially shared in future with trams or streetcars, and the space inside the trusses is the bicycle path. This echoes the original Alexandra Bridge design, with a railway line inside the trusses which was part of Canadian Pacific’s Montreal to Vancouver transcontinental route from 1902 to 1966. The other two designs have a narrower pedestrian deck on the upstream side. Rendez vous has the bicycle path inside the joined arches but Motion has both the bicycle path and roadway between separated arches.

There are also views from Kiweki Point towards the Gatineau Hills, beyond the bridge. For some reason, the hills were omitted from the artist’s impressions of these views. The hills would be hidden with the Rendez vous design, whose arches rise well above the horizon when viewed from the point. The hills would still be visible with Echo and Motion.

One difference with Echo is that the Alexandra Bridge has steel columns rising vertically from the main piers. They support the cantilever arms which hang from either side of these columns but the Echo concept omits these columns and only includes the diagonal girders at the main piers.

It is clear to me that only Echo resembles the steel girder truss structure and historic design of the present bridge. The other two designs with their long arches are basically cable suspension bridges.

Of the three designs on offer, I’d favour Echo.

David Jeanes represents the public transport advocacy group Transport Action Canada on the Alexandra Bridge Public Advisory Group. He is also a member of the Alexandra Bridge Coalition.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/jeanes-alexandra-bridge-replacement-echo
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I'd be surprised if "Echo" isn't the public favourite by a considerable margin.

Although I wish the renders showed the concepts in a realistic final colour, rather than heavenly white.
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Unfortunately. Although Echo is the best of what was presented, I’m not convinced that it is the best configuration that can be imagined.

Throughout the NCC’s ‘consultation’ survey there were questions about how well the new bridge offerings would “integrate” with their surroundings. My answer was always the same; that it accomplished a ‘match to existing’, but that it was matching to the original 1900s design. In the time since the old Alexandra Bridge was built, the area has changed. Maybe it is time to actually look at what is surrounding the area and design a bridge that actually does “integrate” with the surroundings.

What about a bi-level bridge? Put pedestrians on top, where they have an unobstructed view all around; where they can connect directly with Kiweki Point (so that it is not left as a dead-end), the National Gallery, and Major’s Hill Park via the NCC’s new foot-bridge; have the upper deck split on the Quebec end to allow easy movements to the Canadian Museum of History and Jacques Cartier Park, without having to cross the roadway.

The entire bridge can be designed as a box-truss, with members that mimic the pattern of the existing Interprovincial Bridge. Put circular ramps on each end for vertical movement, giving the illusion of a scroll of birch bark in remembrance of indigenous canoes. Also, the split of the pedestrian deck brings to mind the bow of the canoe.

There would be a circular ramp on each side of the Quebec end – one for the museum and one for the park – and a ramp across the road from Kiweki that goes all the way down to the water at the mouth of the locks. The circular ramps could be constructed similar to (but likely much shorter than) the Malahat Skywalk, so that they resemble ‘Eel Baskets’. (Yes, definitely include the slide within the slightly taller Jacques Cartier Park tower. And for even more excitement as a tourist attraction, attach the net at the top of that tower with bungees, a la ‘UPLA’ Treetop Trampoline Park. I know – crazy! While building such a fantastic attraction, create a large rope climbing apparatus in Jacques Cartier Park. The one at Lansdowne always has lots of children and adults climbing on it. This one could be even more complex, since there is lots of space.)

Oh, and make the spiral ramps and the bridge’s pedestrian deck available for spectators when the Canada Day Fireworks return to over the river behind the Parliament Buildings.

There are so many possibilities for a new river crossing. Why does the NCC limit its vision to what was appropriate in 1900. The new bridge can be so much more than a central lane with a cantilevered lane on each side. This is a once-in-a-hundred-years project - literally. Go BIG.
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Unfortunately. Although Echo is the best of what was presented, I’m not convinced that it is the best configuration that can be imagined.

Throughout the NCC’s ‘consultation’ survey there were questions about how well the new bridge offerings would “integrate” with their surroundings. My answer was always the same; that it accomplished a ‘match to existing’, but that it was matching to the original 1900s design. In the time since the old Alexandra Bridge was built, the area has changed. Maybe it is time to actually look at what is surrounding the area and design a bridge that actually does “integrate” with the surroundings.

What about a bi-level bridge? Put pedestrians on top, where they have an unobstructed view all around; where they can connect directly with Kiweki Point (so that it is not left as a dead-end), the National Gallery, and Major’s Hill Park via the NCC’s new foot-bridge; have the upper deck split on the Quebec end to allow easy movements to the Canadian Museum of History and Jacques Cartier Park, without having to cross the roadway.

The entire bridge can be designed as a box-truss, with members that mimic the pattern of the existing Interprovincial Bridge. Put circular ramps on each end for vertical movement, giving the illusion of a scroll of birch bark in remembrance of indigenous canoes. Also, the split of the pedestrian deck brings to mind the bow of the canoe.

There would be a circular ramp on each side of the Quebec end – one for the museum and one for the park – and a ramp across the road from Kiweki that goes all the way down to the water at the mouth of the locks. The circular ramps could be constructed similar to (but likely much shorter than) the Malahat Skywalk, so that they resemble ‘Eel Baskets’. (Yes, definitely include the slide within the slightly taller Jacques Cartier Park tower. And for even more excitement as a tourist attraction, attach the net at the top of that tower with bungees, a la ‘UPLA’ Treetop Trampoline Park. I know – crazy! While building such a fantastic attraction, create a large rope climbing apparatus in Jacques Cartier Park. The one at Lansdowne always has lots of children and adults climbing on it. This one could be even more complex, since there is lots of space.)

Oh, and make the spiral ramps and the bridge’s pedestrian deck available for spectators when the Canada Day Fireworks return to over the river behind the Parliament Buildings.

There are so many possibilities for a new river crossing. Why does the NCC limit its vision to what was appropriate in 1900. The new bridge can be so much more than a central lane with a cantilevered lane on each side. This is a once-in-a-hundred-years project - literally. Go BIG.
Wow. It's too bad you don't work at the NCC. This is a really inspiring vision. This is really a pedestrian and bike crossing first and foremost. Even our Pedestrian only bridges don't have the kind of thought to their experience you are talking about. Usually you have to go one way in the opposite direction of frequent destinations.
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That is just one person’s wild idea. I’m sure that everyone on this forum could come up with an alternate to what the NCC is pushing.

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Very inspired, NCC. Now there will be a wider vehicle deck on the east side to make room for bikes in the middle. Way to push the envelope.
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One could foresee a truly Ottawa process - vast amounts of hemming and hawing about the "best" project while nothing actually gets done.
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Cycling/pedestrian deck re-opened.

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So.... what kind of snow clearing occurs here in the winter? Just asking for a friend (the ugly twin upstream from here)

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Cycling/pedestrian deck re-opened.

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From experience, it's pretty nicely cleared. But if it were operated by the City of Ottawa, clearing the snow would be a violation of the laws of physics.
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So.... what kind of snow clearing occurs here in the winter? Just asking for a friend (the ugly twin upstream from here)
It's interesting that they changed the design of the wood deck in the rework. It's now made of big laminated timber slabs (looks like each is about 500mm wide) as opposed to boards. Only the west end (slope) is still dimensional lumber. I'm curious to see if that holds up better since the boards where always coming loose and on a couple occasions, I rode across gaps where boards were missing entirely.
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NCC chooses new Alexandra Bridge design
Winner 'Motion' meant to evoke flow of Ottawa River and its eels

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Posted: Jan 23, 2025 7:35 AM EST | Last Updated: 2 hours ago




Radio-Canada has learned the National Capital Commission (NCC) has chosen the new Alexandra Bridge design.

The winning design is the one known as "Motion" when the three final designs were revealed in October.

It is inspired by the flow of the Ottawa River and the rippling form of one of its native species.

"The motion design is a tribute to the dynamic, ever-changing motion of the river, inspired by the eel," said architect Martin Knight in October as the shortlist was revealed. "The bridge's graceful form reflects the eel's motion."

Knight explained that each design has a gathering place, and the two vehicular lanes can be closed to create even larger public spaces for special occasions.

It will have cycling and pedestrian lanes.

The current bridge, one of five taking drivers across the river between Ottawa and Gatineau, turns 124 this year and is at the end of its lifespan, according to the NCC.

It has said, to some disappointment, its age and condition rule out repairs.

Further public consultations are expected on the chosen design.

Construction on the new bridge is expected to run from 2028 to 2032.

With files from Radio-Canada's Anne-Charlotte Carignan

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/al...atineau-replace-winning-design-1.7439218
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