BC Political Discussion: Election 2024 & 43rd Parliament

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by chowhou

From my own experience in first generation Asian immigrant communities, the conservatism runs deep. I don't think it's a conspiracy theory that the large Korean Christian communities and Vietnamese communist refugee communities and Chinese move-new-money-out-of-China communities and Punjabi farmer communities and Hong Kong authoritarian refugee communities and all the Eastern European communities tend towards a certain degree of economic and social conservatism (or at least anti-leftism).

I even know a few recent Hong Kong immigrants that are openly pro-Trump, for no other reason than him being more anti-China than anyone else.

100%.

The left in this country will increasingly become marginalized by their own doing if they get caught up in the identity politics movement and openly support LGBTQ+ rights and drug usage. It's almost unheard to see this in their countries of origin.

The NDP should have definitely taken a tougher stance on drugs from the onset instead of letting this — get out of control. The left will always support them for better or worse...They have absolutely lost support from the centrists and moderate right-wing.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

https://www.google.com/amp/s/halifax.cit...igrants-supporting-pierre-poilievre/amp/

That's not my argument.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

100%.

The left in this country will increasingly become marginalized by their own doing if they get caught up in the identity politics movement and openly support LGBTQ+ rights and drug usage. It's almost unheard to see this in their countries of origin.

The NDP should have definitely taken a tougher stance on drugs from the onset instead of letting this — get out of control. The left will always support them for better or worse...They have absolutely lost support from the centrists and moderate right-wing.

On the other hand, the second+ generation seems to regress to the mean. East Asians are not genetically conservative, it's all culture and upbringing and life experiences.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by chowhou

On the other hand, the second+ generation seems to regress to the mean. East Asians are not genetically conservative, it's all culture and upbringing and life experiences.

That's more my point. Recent immigrants may be more Conservative, but can't vote as much. Longer term and 2nd gen immigrants will vote but their politics will shift towards the centre.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

That's more my point. Recent immigrants may be more Conservative, but can't vote as much. Longer term and 2nd gen immigrants will vote but their politics will shift towards the centre.

Long term I don't think matters. Not a lot can change your mind about the communists seizing your property and sending your family to reeducation camps. It takes a new generation to be raised in Canada without that trauma to start accepting left wing ideas again.

But bear in mind that BC is rapidly becoming a province only kept demographically afloat by immigration.

[Burquitlaman]

Originally Posted by chowhou

From my own experience in first generation Asian immigrant communities, the conservatism runs deep. I don't think it's a conspiracy theory that the large Korean Christian communities and Vietnamese communist refugee communities and Chinese move-new-money-out-of-China communities and Punjabi farmer communities and Hong Kong authoritarian refugee communities and all the Eastern European communities tend towards a certain degree of economic and social conservatism (or at least anti-leftism).

I even know a few recent Hong Kong immigrants that are openly pro-Trump, for no other reason than him being more anti-China than anyone else.

For privacy reasons I won't share my ethnicity, other than to say I'm West Asian. In my immediate family there are a lot of interracial marriages with various East Asian ethnicities. Both East Asians and West Asian are quite conservative, even if we sometimes vote left. I can say for myself, the only reason I don't always vote blue is that I know their base supporters can be quite racist (based on my own experiences) and that rubs me the wrong way. Otherwise, we prefer the conservative messaging on drugs and crime.

The biggest reason all the East Asian and West Asian people in my family are voting blue this time around is drugs and crime. Drugs by a wide margin are their number one concern. The degree to which our communities are uninterested in this drug debate (i.e. safe supply) cannot be overestimated. The whole "removing the stigma around drugs" makes people in my community from the left.

[Bcasey25raptor]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

What you missed the election where the NDP needed Green support to get over the finish line? If anything they were always a 50/50 unless there was a massive scandal. The only reason they looked safe was a split vote between United/Conservatives.

If you can't convince people to support your government while you control all the purse strings then you are doing something wrong. Horgan at least came across as someone who had a reason to be premier, Eby looks like he didn't get enough sleep last night.

This isnt the BC Liberals Jolly, the BC Libs werent full of nutjobs and conspiracy theorists and they were a coalition of federal Libs and Fed Con voters

[kja384]

BC Conservatives vow major new transportation infrastructure, including SkyTrain extension to Newton


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-conservatives-transportation-skytrain-bridge-promises

Originally Posted by Burquitlaman

For privacy reasons I won't share my ethnicity, other than to say I'm West Asian. In my immediate family there are a lot of interracial marriages with various East Asian ethnicities. Both East Asians and West Asian are quite conservative, even if we sometimes vote left. I can say for myself, the only reason I don't always vote blue is that I know their base supporters can be quite racist (based on my own experiences) and that rubs me the wrong way. Otherwise, we prefer the conservative messaging on drugs and crime.

The biggest reason all the East Asian and West Asian people in my family are voting blue this time around is drugs and crime. Drugs by a wide margin are their number one concern. The degree to which our communities are uninterested in this drug debate (i.e. safe supply) cannot be overestimated. The whole "removing the stigma around drugs" makes people in my community from the left.

Definitely understand your point regarding racism, but the major demographics in Metro Vancouver aren't that liked by the liberals as either they're not exactly as "oppressed" as they would like. And your experience is really just your experience, Edmonton & Calgary both have Sikh mayors and tons of conservative districts have no problem electing POC's. Racism definitely exists, but I do think it's a fairly weak reason to not vote for entire political parties.

[BaddieB]

Oh my god what did I say. The NDP should have been promising more Skytrain lol. A Skytrain to Newton is based, so even if I'm disappointed by the election outcome there's a silver lining.

The party has also committed to building Fraser Valley regional rail, expanded public transit service along the Sea to Sky Corridor, and “enhanced safety measures on public transit.”

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Another major promise is Rustad’s commitment to build a new replacement Ironworkers Memorial Bridge with “expanded capacity for both cars and public transit services,” new Highway 1 exits and interchanges in Coquitlam, and the full widening of Highway 1 to six vehicle lanes to Chilliwack. Currently, there are plans to widen Highway 1 to Abbotsford, with further widening in the eastern Fraser Valley left for a future phase of the highway corridor’s improvements.

The Highway 1 part just seems like promising something the NDP have already promised though. And this does seem like an overpromise if their plan is to cut taxes.

Any plan on UBCx...unlikely

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by kja384

BC Conservatives vow major new transportation infrastructure, including SkyTrain extension to Newton


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-conservatives-transportation-skytrain-bridge-promises

This will be interesting to see at the next meeting of mayors where they decide the transit extension priorities who-ever gets voted in.

[BaddieB]

Looking through coverage of the 2017 election for context and this brilliant article came up.

Grindr 'effective' political tool for B.C. Liberal candidate

Nigel Elliott could very well be the first B.C. Liberal candidate to campaign on Grindr, the well-known gay dating app.

“A lot of guys in the gay community use it, and it’s an effective tool,” the Vancouver-West End hopeful said of his decision to reach out to potential voters on the social media platform. “I thought, ‘Why not use it for something political?’”

The response was largely positive, he said, and provided an interesting insight. “If people are going to be rude to you, they’ll be rude to you on Facebook. People are very nice on Grindr.”

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/couri...al-tool-for-bc-liberal-candidate-3051691

[urbancanadian]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

100%.

The left in this country will increasingly become marginalized by their own doing if they get caught up in the identity politics movement and openly support LGBTQ+ rights and drug usage. It's almost unheard to see this in their countries of origin.

The NDP should have definitely taken a tougher stance on drugs from the onset instead of letting this — get out of control. The left will always support them for better or worse...They have absolutely lost support from the centrists and moderate right-wing.

As someone who agrees that the far-left has become too extreme (and uncompromising) on certain political stances, I don't think LGBTQ+ rights in BC are very extreme. The laws we have just make society more equal and don't take away from anyone else's rights.

The only issue I could potentially see coming up would be trans-women in sports, but that is an insanely small minority of the population.

I have no love for the NDP whatsoever but the Cons appear to be a Trumpian disaster in the making and I will be voting against that. There are only legitimately two choices...

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by kja384

Definitely understand your point regarding racism, but the major demographics in Metro Vancouver aren't that liked by the liberals as either they're not exactly as "oppressed" as they would like. And your experience is really just your experience, Edmonton & Calgary both have Sikh mayors and tons of conservative districts have no problem electing POC's. Racism definitely exists, but I do think it's a fairly weak reason to not vote for entire political parties.

But this isn't just Metro Vancouver. That's where the NDP are strong. It's the eastern burbs and the rest of the Province (outside Victoria) that vote blue, are predominantly white, and yes, some racists in the mix.

[logicbomb]

Curious to see if a BC Conservative mandate forces a RTO plan for public sector workers and encourages private sector employers to do the same.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Long term I don't think matters. Not a lot can change your mind about the communists seizing your property and sending your family to reeducation camps. It takes a new generation to be raised in Canada without that trauma to start accepting left wing ideas again.

But bear in mind that BC is rapidly becoming a province only kept demographically afloat by immigration.

If housing prices weren't so ridiculously inflated and wages weren't driven down by mass importation of cheap labour maybe people would have more kids.

[seamusmcduff]

So let's vote for the party that will undue all the housing policy brought in to increase supply, and let housing continue to get more expensive? Since immigration is a federal matter, it's up to the province to deal with the impacts of that, including ensuring there is enough housing for everyone. BCCs solution is to go back to restricting most of our land to SF homes, and "build new towns", which will definitely be successful (who cares about the infrastructure needed for that, let alone the fact that they would actually need an industry to justify people moving there).

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by kja384

BC Conservatives vow major new transportation infrastructure, including SkyTrain extension to Newton


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-conservatives-transportation-skytrain-bridge-promises

Sure feels like they're over-promising here, but it's always been so sad to me that the "right wing" parties in BC (SoCred, BC Liberals, BC Conservatives) seem to take rapid transit more seriously than the NDP.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

But this isn't just Metro Vancouver. That's where the NDP are strong. It's the eastern burbs and the rest of the Province (outside Victoria) that vote blue, are predominantly white, and yes, some racists in the mix.

It's not the eastern burbs or the interior where the battleground ridings are though. Those are in Surrey, Richmond, the Tri-Cities, and on the North Shore. I don't believe immigrants feel particularly maligned in any of these areas (for obvious demographic reasons), especially when the conservative candidate they're voting for is typically non-white themselves.

Originally Posted by whatnext

If housing prices weren't so ridiculously inflated and wages weren't driven down by mass importation of cheap labour maybe people would have more kids.

Perhaps if housing and commercial properties weren't under supply management by the cities, we'd have abundant housing and economic opportunities for new families.

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by seamusmcduff

So let's vote for the party that will undue all the housing policy brought in to increase supply, and let housing continue to get more expensive? Since immigration is a federal matter, it's up to the province to deal with the impacts of that, including ensuring there is enough housing for everyone. BCCs solution is to go back to restricting most of our land to SF homes, and "build new towns", which will definitely be successful (who cares about the infrastructure needed for that, let alone the fact that they would actually need an industry to justify people moving there).

A lot of people are getting wealthy of the current housing crisis. Look at the suburbs and see the people protesting against rent control and density. It's much easier and cost efficient to stuff 15-20 people in one McMansion than deal with multiplexes or apartments (due to red tape). You could realistically reel in 10k from one home alone and only be subject to one property tax bill.

Majority of people in BC are homeowners. Many renters are comprised of transients or poor people. People on social media refuse to accept that a large segment of home owners do not like the rezoning changes. Most home owners in SFH's are Nimbys.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Sure feels like they're over-promising here, but it's always been so sad to me that the "right wing" parties in BC (SoCred, BC Liberals, BC Conservatives) seem to take rapid transit more seriously than the NDP.

I think this election round the NDP's promises are more realistic and follow TransLink and the Mayor's Council approved routes and priorities. For instance the NDP proposed (so far) BRT for north shore. If why said Skytrain, well we'd all know it won't be built in 4 years or funded either.

If there is a pot of money for route alignment, business case study, a likely new service yard, and elevated / undergrounding for a fresh Newton line within 4 years then sure why not.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

I think this election round the NDP's promises are more realistic and follow TransLink and the Mayor's Council approved routes and priorities. For instance the NDP proposed (so far) BRT for north shore. If why said Skytrain, well we'd all know it won't be built in 4 years or funded either.

If there is a pot of money for route alignment, business case study, a likely new service yard, and elevated / undergrounding for a fresh Newton line within 4 years then sure why not.

For a little bit of ironic history, Translink (or should I say BC Transit) and the Mayor's Council (or should I say Vancouver) REALLY did not want the Expo Line built the way it was, but the SoCreds said — you to them and built it anyway. Could you imagine building a Skytrain line behind people's houses and down a laneway nowadays?

What the Mayor's Council approves or disapproves of isn't always right. Remember when they approved the Surrey LRT?