Atlantic Canadian Politics Thread

[TitleRequired]

Coles note version of the debate:

https://www.country94.ca/2024/09/26/gree...s-arent-doing-enough-in-election-debate/

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by TitleRequired

Coles note version of the debate:

https://www.country94.ca/2024/09/26/gree...s-arent-doing-enough-in-election-debate/

Ahh, Country 94, one of the finest journalistic institutions in Atlantic Canada.

They actually do seem to have solid coverage, but Jesus, does it really speak volumes about the situation in NB that a country music station is a key player in local online journalism for our oldest city, while the local Newspaper's content is almost exclusively behind a paywall.



wonder what those key differences in the French language debate were? Anyone watch the Francophone debate?


Based on the English debate last night, Holt and Coon took it to Higgs pretty well all night. Higgs was looking a little Biden-esque at times.

Would be good if there was another debate, but I think Higgs would pull a Trump not agree to a second debate after his poor performance last night.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

This was perhaps the finest jab of the whole night.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by TitleRequired

Coles note version of the debate:

https://www.country94.ca/2024/09/26/gree...s-arent-doing-enough-in-election-debate/

I agree that we are woefully lacking in local journalism. However that's a common problem in all but the largest Canadian cities.

I did think the Country94 article was decent and quite balanced.

As to the debate itself I was slightly disappointed there wasn't more actual debating with lots of back and forth and rebuttals. (harder to do with three on stage than two I guess)

Struck me as more of Q&A session.

[TitleRequired]

Originally Posted by sailor734

I agree that we are woefully lacking in local journalism. However that's a common problem in all but the largest Canadian cities.

I did think the Country94 article was decent and quite balanced.

As to the debate itself I was slightly disappointed there wasn't more actual debating with lots of back and forth and rebuttals. (harder to do with three on stage than two I guess)

Struck me as more of Q&A session.

Country94 is solid journalism. My only complaint is occasionally they just do press release repackages, but I can accept that for what I pay.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by TitleRequired

Country94 is solid journalism. My only complaint is occasionally they just do press release repackages, but I can accept that for what I pay.

If Country 94 is solid journalism, then what is the CBC?

A country music station being one of the few sources of online journalism for a city with as long a history as Saint John is just kinda sad. The Telegraph Journal at least sounds like a respected institution of journalism, but the paywall means far less people read their content than they did when it was just a newspaper.

Imo, the CBC covers news in the region the best.

[sailor734]

Maybe it is confirmation bias but I see a definite progressive/left of center slant to CBC's coverage.....both in what they choose to cover (and not cover) and how headlines and stories are worded and structured. No outright falsehoods or questionable claims (and nowhere close to egregious stuff that happens on both the right and the leftwing media in the US) but the subtle bias is there none the less.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by sailor734

Maybe it is confirmation bias but I see a definite progressive/left of center slant to CBC's coverage.....both in what they choose to cover (and not cover) and how headlines and stories are worded and structured. No outright falsehoods or questionable claims (and nowhere close to egregious stuff that happens on both the right and the leftwing media in the US) but the subtle bias is there none the less.

I think similar claims about bias could be said about Country 94 or The Telegraph journal. The CBC would be better if showed less bias. However, given how frequently the Conservatives threaten to cut the CBC’s funding, or even get rid of it altogether, the politicization of the CBC could be largely based on partisan politics.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

I think similar claims about bias could be said about Country 94 or The Telegraph journal. The CBC would be better if showed less bias. However, given how frequently the Conservatives threaten to cut the CBC’s funding, or even get rid of it altogether, the politicization of the CBC could be largely based on partisan politics.

I certainly don't disagree that many commercial media outlets display a degree of bias to one side of the political spectrum or another.

What truly annoys me about CBC is that they push this bias while being 70% funded by public funds supplied by all Canadians from all political points of view.

If I disagree with the positions taken by a commercial media outlet I can choose not to support them by watching or subscribing. With the CBC I have no such choice. They get my financial support whether I want then to or not.

[NB_ExistsToo]

The difference I see with the Country94 and CBC articles is CBC fact checked everything Higgs stated and came with receipts. But it's easy to pick apart the current government during these debates, which is essentially what CBC did. Country94 just sort of summarized it. Higgs also made it easier for CBC by telling half truths, regarding the subjects like First Nation litigation and BC's stance on safe injection sites.

The lack of housing and school are more unfortunate for Higgs, the province exploded in population, so it takes time for these things to be built.

It's what was expected with the debate, the newcomers get to bring all these new ideas and beat up on the current governments mistakes.

I do really dislike that Higgs refuses to defend teachers whatsoever, especially in a time there's such a shortage. (No, teachers are not promoting these secret transition surgeries or given drugs to children). It would have been easy enough for him to just say something positive about teachers while ignoring the flyers altogether.

[TitleRequired]

Originally Posted by NB_ExistsToo

Country94 just sort of summarized it.

That's the entire point. CBC feels that they are the arbiter of the one truth, whereas Country94 trusts that you're an adult and can validate things yourself if your concerned about the source or thruthiness of a assertion.

I have personally challenged an assertion with Country94 in the past and they did retract the assertion. By Email.

These days when I see a cbc article with "Experts say..." I keep on scrolling by; because I know the expert of a handpicked academic with a bias a mile wide, that conveniently fits the narrative cbc is pushing. The worst is any law professor at UNB.

On the other file, ctv is getting the impact of the consequence they deserve for the shenanigans on PP.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by gtsoc

There is a local facebook group where someone had posted a picture of Faytene's campaign installing signs on their lawn .. even when they did not request one. There are quite a few Faytene signs around.. which begs the question.. how many are legit requests?? I haven't heard many positive things about her around the town.

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Here’s something positive about her. She’s been involved with resurrections

To think this the type of person the PC Party has for a candidate in 2024

[sailor734]

and this......................

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BWItkxDgY6g

Sure beats spending billions in healthcare!

[MonctonRad]

Faytene is certainly a large millstone around the neck of the PC Party.

I hope she loses - badly................

I also hope that her presence on the ticket doesn't affect other more reasonable Tory candidates.

[TitleRequired]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Faytene is certainly a large millstone around the neck of the PC Party.

I hope she loses - badly................

Fair enough. The best chance anyone had to displace her was at the nomination convention. And her opponent dropped out when it was no longer certain he'd get coronated, being anointed by Crossman.

I would never underestimate the ability of someone like Faytene to mobilize voters to vote in her favour. Her ground game is probably the best, and would probably eclipse other ridings.

She has already demonstrated the value of her ground game by selling memberships during the PC civil war (read leadership review) to head office.

For example; Portland Simonds hasn't been under contention in quite some time. I would expect the ground game by volunteers to have atrophied during the Trevor Holder years. Why bother pushing the envelope on getting folks at the polling station when you routinely win by over 50%? This year would be the reason why, a swing of undecided or single issue voters could sink the PC candidate.

edited to add:
She probably has a better chance to be an mla than Holt or Coon. Food for thought.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by TitleRequired

edited to add:
She probably has a better chance to be an mla than Holt or Coon. Food for thought.

Not really. First off, Both Holt and Coon are currently MLAs, and Faytene is not, so there’s that. On the off chance that Holt loses her riding, but her party wins the election, she will continue to be an MLA. As is, people are reading too far into the 338 projection in Holt’s riding. The 338 model is clearly flawed at the provincial riding level, when there’s been no noticeable bump in support for the party leader in her own riding. There’s been very scarce polling done recently, and their projections are too heavily influenced by past results. In Holt’s riding especially, their model is not taking is not properly taking into account the fact that she is the Liberal leader currently well ahead of the PCs in provincial wide polls.

At this point, it’s far more likely Faytene loses her riding than Holt does. Despite what the 338.com projections suggest, the Liberals have enlisted a former MP to run against Faytene. A generic candidate would have won the Hampton riding easily for the PCs, but Faytene’s controversial views very much risk polarizing the riding in such a way that her opposition (including traditionally PC voters) rally behind Herron and win a Liberal seat in a historically PC riding. If ever there was a riding for Green and NDP voters to strategically vote for a Liberal candidate , Hampton-Fundy-St. Martins is it. Don’t underestimate how much her controversial religious views will motivate people to get out and vote against her.

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Faytene is certainly a large millstone around the neck of the PC Party.

I hope she loses - badly................

I also hope that her presence on the ticket doesn't affect other more reasonable Tory candidates.

Considering how widespread the opposition to her controversial views are, I’d have to say your hope is probably misguided. People can praise her groundgame and ability to sell NB PC memberships all they want, but all Faytene has really done is rally the far right PC base, and polarized the opposition. She hasn’t helped the PCs attract undecided voters provincial wide, if anything, she’s actually hurt them in that regard.

This election won’t be decided by which party has the bigger base, it will be decided by the voters in the middle who can be convinced.

[MonctonianSentinel01]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Not really. First off, Both Holt and Coon are currently MLAs, and Faytene is not, so there’s that. On the off chance that Holt loses her riding, but her party wins the election, she will continue to be an MLA. As is, people are reading too far into the 338 projection in Holt’s riding. The 338 model is clearly flawed at the provincial riding level, when there’s been no noticeable bump in support for the party leader in her own riding. There’s been very scarce polling done recently, and their projections are too heavily influenced by past results. In Holt’s riding especially, their model is not taking is not properly taking into account the fact that she is the Liberal leader currently well ahead of the PCs in provincial wide polls.

At this point, it’s far more likely Faytene loses her riding than Holt does. Despite what the 338.com projections suggest, the Liberals have enlisted a former MP to run against Faytene. A generic candidate would have won the Hampton riding easily for the PCs, but Faytene’s controversial views very much risk polarizing the riding in such a way that her opposition (including traditionally PC voters) rally behind Herron and win a Liberal seat in a historically PC riding. If ever there was a riding for Green and NDP voters to strategically vote for a Liberal candidate , Hampton-Fundy-St. Martins is it. Don’t underestimate how much her controversial religious views will motivate people to get out and vote against her.



Considering how widespread the opposition to her controversial views are, I’d have to say your hope is probably misguided. People can praise her groundgame and ability to sell NB PC memberships all they want, but all Faytene has really done is rally the far right PC base, and polarized the opposition. She hasn’t helped the PCs attract undecided voters provincial wide, if anything, she’s actually hurt them in that regard.

This election won’t be decided by which party has the bigger base, it will be decided by the voters in the middle who can be convinced.

I'm not exactly sure why believing in Christ is so controversial. It's by far the most normal thing you could believe in. I'm not sure why you have such a hatred towards this group of people. Let's face it, that's why you don't like her, I mean there are worse idiots in government like JT and Freeland, although you seem to not have a problem with them.

How is a conservative party wrong for being right winged? Liberals are allowed to be left along with the far left NDP's, but right winged conservative is bad?

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by MonctonianSentinel01

I'm not exactly sure why believing in Christ is so controversial. It's by far the most normal thing you could believe in. I'm not sure why you have such a hatred towards this group of people. Let's face it, that's why you don't like her, I mean there are worse idiots in government like JT and Freeland, although you seem to not have a problem with them.

How is a conservative party wrong for being right winged? Liberals are allowed to be left along with the far left NDP's, but right winged conservative is bad?

Being a Christian is not controversial— speaking in tongues and proclaiming to resurrect dead bodies is.

Who said I hate this group of people? Faytene is perhaps the biggest gift of all from Higgs. Her controversial presence is doing God’s work for the Liberals far beyond her the riding of Hampton-Fundy-St. Martins

As for JT or Chrystia Freeland being worse than Faytene… please

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Being a Christian is not controversial— speaking in tongues and proclaiming to resurrect dead bodies is.

Who said I hate this group of people? Faytene is perhaps the biggest gift of all from Higgs. Her controversial presence is doing God’s work for the Liberals far beyond her the riding of Hampton-Fundy-St. Martins

As for JT or Chrystia Freeland being worse than Faytene… please

I know, right? JT and Freeland are on the national stage and way out of Faytene's league. They've done more damage to the entire country than Faytene could do to little old NB even if she was in government for the next 20 years. It really is apples and oranges.

[lirette]

Originally Posted by MonctonianSentinel01

I'm not exactly sure why believing in Christ is so controversial. It's by far the most normal thing you could believe in. I'm not sure why you have such a hatred towards this group of people. Let's face it, that's why you don't like her, I mean there are worse idiots in government like JT and Freeland, although you seem to not have a problem with them.

How is a conservative party wrong for being right winged? Liberals are allowed to be left along with the far left NDP's, but right winged conservative is bad?

No where in anyone's post is anyone being criticized for being Christian or religious in general. I'm sure many of the liberal mlas have Christian views or beliefs. Trudeau himself is a Christian.

How many people do you think in Canada believed that they have resurrected another human being? How many people do you think they were hexed by a coven of witches in a cafe ? If you think these are mainstream normal views for the average Canadian I would recommend making these same claims in any public setting and see what type of reaction you get. If your restaurant server told you they cured a hex that was placed on them by witches would your reaction be "yeah, makes sense I hear that all the time"?

Perhaps you just haven't made yourself aware of all of the claims Faytene has made and in that case I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. She wrote a book and has many public ally available videos from her broadcast.